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Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:41:00 -
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In the last few days, I have noticed an interesting trend here on the IGS in which various Caldari have, though various degrees, have made attempts to slowly change various discussion back to how great the Caldari way is.
Now, on one hand, I have no issue with someone speaking their mind about their opinions on a matter...though some times it is best not to say anything at all. Yet, this is the thing that disturbs me about the current trend...the aggressiveness and lengths to which many of these Caldari have gone to drown out the original poster's intent of the thread and the various discussions sparked by the other people in the thread...well, let's call a spade a spade shall we...this is very Gallente of you Caldari.
The Federation made an art out of slowly absorbing and integrating other races' cultures and beliefs in an effort to create a unified front. Now, I see all these staunch State supporters using the very same techniques and principals...maybe with less subtlety and precision in an attempt to impress upon the rest of New Eden how great and mighty the Caldari State is.
Has Caldari become the new Federation? Only time will tell. Steffanie Saissore, Knight Stormcrows
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Ava Starfire
Gradient
1603
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:53:00 -
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*popcorns* "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
66948
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:54:00 -
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Steffanie Saissore wrote: Has Caldari become the new Federation? Only time will tell.
I have a feeling that Diana Kim might implode upon reading this. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1645
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:56:00 -
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Come on hot lips, at least provide some names and examples to make things interesting. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3997
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:07:00 -
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I say we make this a thread about the Amarr just to be contrary. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Sadie Veerin
269
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:07:00 -
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The difference is that you are putting far too much stock in a few Caldari on the IGS as representative of the State. A couple Caldari with a presence here that feel the need to ingratiate the State to others should not be seen as a sign of a larger trend.
As for the publicly involved Caldari capsuleers you are speaking of, it seems to stem from their exhaustion in regards to discussing the same conflicts without end. If someone tires of attacking others, they tend to revert to praising themselves. Besides one particular capsuleer whose communications everyone should have set to ignore in the first place, I think this is the trend you are noticing. It is not about integrating others but instead a few capsuleers communicating their identity once age-old antagonisms stop being their driving motivations. They are just doing it haphazardly and a bit too often - a bit like an adolescent that first tastes a measure of autonomy. While I encourage their newfound perspective in many ways, I agree that it is disconcerting that it is newfound and they feel they must share it with others at every turn.
The bottom line is that you should not equate these capsuleers with Caldari as a whole. And I fully expect you realize that. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1227
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:15:00 -
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Unlike federal rats, we don't enforce our way of life. We love it, and we are PROUD to be Caldari. We have our own pariahs, who ran away from State to hide in nullsecs and wormholes from our way of life, and who don't fight for what is dear to all Caldari. But they are only a couple of insignificant persons. We, Caldari, love our State, our society and we glorify our superiority.
Unlike gallenteans, though, our superiority and our way of life is for us only, and we don't bring it with arms into your houses like gallenteans do with their democrazies. We don't bomb homes of individuals and corporations of outcasts, that leave us, because they hurt themselves already by separating themselves from our glorious culture to live somewhere in Maker-forsaken wormholes just to not do their duty to common good.
Unlike gallenteans, we don't care what cultures others have. It is not our business, we just enjoy and glorify our culture.
But if you don't like us talking how it is good to be Caldari, we could easily talk about how disgusting and repulsive gallenteans, their culture and their Federation are. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
727
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:16:00 -
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Last few days? Last few months, more like. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3997
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:21:00 -
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Ask a representative of each of the four major cultures for their opinion on a subject, and you'll most likely hear an Amarrian opinion, a Caldari opinion, a Gallentean opinion and a Matari opinion (presented in alphabetical order), whatever the individual and personal variance might be.
There are more pod-pilots of Caldari origin than any one other ethnic group, and this discussion board is almost exclusively used by capsuleers, so... An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1227
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Posted - 2014.08.30 13:34:00 -
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Unfortunately, at the moment in the current board most of "Caldari" capsuleers are defectors, who disregard their duty to the State and Caldari people. If so-called Caldari don't serve the State, you shouldn't consider them Caldari in the first place. |
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Jude Kopenhagen
Stormcrows
48
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:41:00 -
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Really Steff?
Just cause I am awesome and let everyone know it, all the time.... (As can be seen in every one of my posts here)
It has nothing to do with me being Caldari, more with me being amazing enough to realise how wonderful I am.
But on a serious note, the answer is Hak'len.
Not sure about the question though... |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
813
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Posted - 2014.08.30 14:54:00 -
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From what I remember, the 'State is Great!' opinion of Caldari loyal capsuleers always has existed imo. It's not even unique, all supportive loyal capsuleers got the same opinion about their nation.
Amarr loyal capsuleers find the Amarr Empire the best, minmatar loyalists love their tribal council republic and Federation loyal capsuleers think the Gallente democratic federation is the greatest thing ever.
Any other view of loyalists would suprise me honestly. What also adds to the *My Nation is the Greatest thing ever!* rhetoric is the venomenous & toxic posting of certain members here. Admit that your nation is not perfect in any aspect and they'll quote it out of context till eternity in non-relevant discussions that you participate in, resulting in the need to defend yourself if you do not want to be accused of hypocrisy or slander and thereby derailing the threads.
In order to improve discussion quality, we'll all have to do an effort and not jump each others throat for even the smallest mistake or disjointed opinion or expression. Sansha's Nation intensifies attacks!-á -á-áAmarr Militia Auction is a success! |
Velarra
317
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:15:00 -
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Given that they shared the better part of a millennium as a unified people, during their formative years, is it really such a surprise that they would share so very much in common? Particularly on basic, instinctual, human levels of interaction?
Despite all contrary, modern-era drum beating and their obvious cravings for societal individuation?
Not unlike brothers and sisters. |
Jared Haywire
Stormcrows
6956
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:30:00 -
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Jude Kopenhagen wrote:Really Steff?
Just cause I am awesome and let everyone know it, all the time.... (As can be seen in every one of my posts here)
It has nothing to do with me being Caldari, more with me being amazing enough to realise how wonderful I am.
But on a serious note, the answer is Hak'len.
Not sure about the question though...
Hak'len is always the answer. Hak'len and Vodka. And sometimes icecream.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1228
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Posted - 2014.08.30 15:50:00 -
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No no no. Not Vodka. Drinking is not professional. |
Arista Shahni
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:22:00 -
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Nothing has changed.
You're just now noticing it.
While arguing on the Summit, they dream in the "Backstage" of their subconcious on selfsame subjects in the exact same way -- and its always been this way since I started paying attention to 'capsuleer soocizalization'.
There is a simple rule.
Never involve yourself in thereads involving Caldari if you are not Caldari.
They may not sleep or dream better at night -- but you will. "I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also. -áAnd as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all." |
Mika Firestorm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:27:00 -
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But then they will drive everyone out from all the threads?.. State the nature of your medical emergency |
Arista Shahni
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
166
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:31:00 -
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Mika Firestorm wrote:But then they will drive everyone out from all the threads?..
Drive them out?
Do your *purposely* walk into a flaming trainwreck that somehow is still circling on the same track?
Just, I don't know..
.. make a new thread.
"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also. -áAnd as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all." |
Jared Haywire
Stormcrows
6956
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:43:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:No no no. Not Vodka. Drinking is not professional.
Some folks might argue with you I am a professional drinker. |
Mika Firestorm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics
4
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:48:00 -
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Arista Shahni wrote:Mika Firestorm wrote:But then they will drive everyone out from all the threads?.. Drive them out? Do your *purposely* walk into a flaming trainwreck that somehow is still circling on the same track? Just, I don't know.. .. make a new thread. Then they will capture it too State the nature of your medical emergency |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1229
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Posted - 2014.08.30 16:49:00 -
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Jared Haywire wrote:Diana Kim wrote:No no no. Not Vodka. Drinking is not professional. Some folks might argue with you I am a professional drinker. All personnel, abandon battle stations, run for your lives!! |
Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
340
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Posted - 2014.08.30 17:22:00 -
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Jude Kopenhagen wrote:Really Steff?
But on a serious note, the answer is Hak'len.
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Going to have to respectfully disagree with you here...Brandy. Steffanie Saissore, Knight Stormcrows
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Arista Shahni
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
166
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Posted - 2014.08.30 17:28:00 -
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Mika Firestorm wrote:Arista Shahni wrote:Mika Firestorm wrote:But then they will drive everyone out from all the threads?.. Drive them out? Do your *purposely* walk into a flaming trainwreck that somehow is still circling on the same track? Just, I don't know.. .. make a new thread. Then they will capture it too
Then take some advice from the "super evil Amarr"GǪ Keep your dirty laundry behind your fence and don't leave it in public. "I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also. -áAnd as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all." |
Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
4020
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Posted - 2014.08.30 17:50:00 -
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Let's see how well the whole passive aggressive bunch of you get on without us, then. I'm done with you all. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1229
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Posted - 2014.08.30 17:57:00 -
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Don't let a gallentean manipulate you, Tuulinen-haan! |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
746
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:07:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Let's see how well the whole passive aggressive bunch of you get on without us, then. I'm done with you all.
... wut. Who? Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1229
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Posted - 2014.08.30 18:18:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Let's see how well the whole passive aggressive bunch of you get on without us, then. I'm done with you all. ... wut. Who?
I feel your nurse will be unhappy when will know that you are using NeoCom again. |
Utsukushi Shi
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
46
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Posted - 2014.08.31 03:10:00 -
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That was a lot of words to say Kim talks too much and Stitcher is a pedantic old man.
But thanks for pointlessly providing another thread for the arguments you find so distasteful. Pyre Falcon is recruiting - apply today! Backstage Recruitment thread EVEO Forum Recruitment thread |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1645
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Posted - 2014.08.31 03:48:00 -
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I have a theory that much of it stems from a lack of personal coping mechanisms required to fully adjust to being a freelance capsuleer. An inability to accept or recognize the system of life one lives under when one volunteers to be registered under the auspices of CONCORD. A form of self-projection upon others that requires one to tell themselves that it is those freelance capsuleers who are the craven ones, who are immoral, who profit from violence, whose hands are awash with blood, it is those ones that are villains but not themselves. Themselves are different, like a single special and unique snowflake, separate and distinct from all the others: they tell themselves and others that they have different reasons, ideological reasons, moral reasons, ethical reasons, religious reasons, as to what it is they do.
That they have these reasons then justifies in their mind that they are heroes, and all the rest they are the villains and not themselves. Their discourses then become much like a person who contributes to an act of charity or other supposed good deed, but then goes on to tell as many people as possible about it in order to receive the personal validation that they are a good person. The paradigm is the same that they seek to impress they are Caldari (Or indeed any other form of identity) not so much out of interest in a real discussion but so that they receive a personal validation and thus perpetuate their own cognitive dissonance. I would say such behaviour is fundamentally disingenuous, but in the end understandable for those that lack the effective coping mechanisms to lead the lives of violence of a freelance capsuleer.
Onerous perhaps, those unable to abandon delusion and welcome reality, but I do not think it is behaviour particularly confined to Caldari in particular when I parse IGS discussions. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3999
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Posted - 2014.08.31 04:02:00 -
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You say "pedantic" like it's a bad thing. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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