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Kyoko Sakoda
Sakoda Security Services
152
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Posted - 2014.08.31 05:31:00 -
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Look, another rhetorical black hole on GalNet. And not the good kind that makes your ship go faster. |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2014.08.31 05:37:00 -
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Kyoko Sakoda wrote:Look, another rhetorical black hole on GalNet. And not the good kind that makes your ship go faster. The Galnet IS a black hole. Many a capsuleer forgot to undock because they are hypnotised by the furrier videos they found on Galnet. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1229
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Posted - 2014.08.31 07:25:00 -
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Kyoko Sakoda wrote:Look, another rhetorical black hole on GalNet. And not the good kind that makes your ship go faster. Just schemes of evil gallenteans |
Bai'xao Meiyi
92
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Posted - 2014.08.31 10:13:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Unlike federal rats, we don't enforce our way of life. We love it, and we are PROUD to be Caldari. We have our own pariahs, who ran away from State to hide in nullsecs and wormholes from our way of life, and who don't fight for what is dear to all Caldari. But they are only a couple of insignificant persons. We, Caldari, love our State, our society and we glorify our superiority.
Unlike gallenteans, though, our superiority and our way of life is for us only, and we don't bring it with arms into your houses like gallenteans do with their democrazies. We don't bomb homes of individuals and corporations of outcasts, that leave us, because they hurt themselves already by separating themselves from our glorious culture to live somewhere in Maker-forsaken wormholes just to not do their duty to common good.
Unlike gallenteans, we don't care what cultures others have. It is not our business, we just enjoy and glorify our culture.
But if you don't like us talking how it is good to be Caldari, we could easily talk about how disgusting and repulsive gallenteans, their culture and their Federation are.
Except for all of those forcibly evicted indigenous populations within the Caldari State's borders who are booted from their homes the minute it's realized to be profitable. |
Ava Starfire
Gradient
1603
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Posted - 2014.08.31 11:43:00 -
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This thread is now about enslaved Matari. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2014.08.31 12:12:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:This thread is now about enslaved Matari.
So, where's my beating stick? I have a great need to beat up the dead equine in the middle of this thread. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1229
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Posted - 2014.08.31 12:17:00 -
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Bai'xao Meiyi wrote: Except for all of those forcibly evicted indigenous populations within the Caldari State's borders who are booted from their homes the minute it's realized to be profitable.
Nobody is just "booted" in the State, and eviction doesn't look like that. You see, the State is for peoples, and peoples, who form the State should work for the State. When some peoples don't work for the State and prefer working for themselves, they don't need the State and thus the State doesn't need them. When the State doesn't need them, the State doesn't provide anything to them. All the services the State provide, including law and security, are unavailable for them, unless they pay for each service separately its "export" price. And, of course, will find somehow funds for it. Otherwise, all State doors are closed to them, even State citizens don't consider them as people. If the State boots them - it is only from streets, because vagrancy is prohibited. Otherwise, they just leave themselves. We don't kick them out from what they have - they abandon it themselves, becoming exiles and outcasts. Only because THEY didn't want to be part of our society. It is completely their choice and consequences lie on their shoulders.
To understand how it works, you don't even have to look inside Caldari society, it happens among capsuleers as well. Look, for example, at Mr. Stitcher. He lives not in the State, but in a wormhole. Did anyone boot him out?... No, nobody has booted him out, he just left us, because here there is no place for him. While Caldari capsuleers were defending the State, flying in fleets to defend out systems or to attack occupied by enemy zones, he has chosen to not be part of us, part of the State, he didn't want to be Caldari, and thus he is not among us. |
Vincintius Agrippa
F L O O D
56
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Posted - 2014.09.01 02:39:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Bai'xao Meiyi wrote: Except for all of those forcibly evicted indigenous populations within the Caldari State's borders who are booted from their homes the minute it's realized to be profitable.
Nobody is just "booted" in the State, and eviction doesn't look like that. You see, the State is for peoples, and peoples, who form the State should work for the State. When some peoples don't work for the State and prefer working for themselves, they don't need the State and thus the State doesn't need them. When the State doesn't need them, the State doesn't provide anything to them. All the services the State provide, including law and security, are unavailable for them, unless they pay for each service separately its "export" price. And, of course, will find somehow funds for it. Otherwise, all State doors are closed to them, even State citizens don't consider them as people. If the State boots them - it is only from streets, because vagrancy is prohibited. Otherwise, they just leave themselves. We don't kick them out from what they have - they abandon it themselves, becoming exiles and outcasts. Only because THEY didn't want to be part of our society. It is completely their choice and consequences lie on their shoulders. To understand how it works, you don't even have to look inside Caldari society, it happens among capsuleers as well. Look, for example, at Mr. Stitcher. He lives not in the State, but in a wormhole. Did anyone boot him out?... No, nobody has booted him out, he just left us, because here there is no place for him. While Caldari capsuleers were defending the State, flying in fleets to defend out systems or to attack occupied by enemy zones, he has chosen to not be part of us, part of the State, he didn't want to be Caldari, and thus he is not among us.
Speak it citizen Kim! May the Gallente scum die at their keyboards, foaming at the mouth and through the eyeballs.
Only YOU can prevent internet bullying! |
Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
307
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Posted - 2014.09.01 03:07:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:This thread is now about enslaved Matari.
Please, do not. -áFear The Tribes |
Skye Nico
67
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Posted - 2014.09.01 03:15:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote: While Caldari capsuleers were defending the State, flying in fleets to defend out systems or to attack occupied by enemy zones, he has chosen to not be part of us, part of the State, he didn't want to be Caldari, and thus he is not among us.
This is a load of ****. It is legally impossible to be a State citizen if you are not born there. It does not matter if you 'want to be Caldari' or not. |
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3999
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Posted - 2014.09.01 03:38:00 -
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Skye Nico wrote:Diana Kim wrote: While Caldari capsuleers were defending the State, flying in fleets to defend out systems or to attack occupied by enemy zones, he has chosen to not be part of us, part of the State, he didn't want to be Caldari, and thus he is not among us.
This is a load of ****. It is legally impossible to be a State citizen if you are not born there. It does not matter if you 'want to be Caldari' or not.
You should probably have quoted a paragraph where she wasn't specifically vomiting out some more calumnied bilgewater about me, Pilot Nico. I was very much born in the State.
In any event, you've got that wrong. - immigration to the State by foreign-born nationals is perfectly possible. There are just a few caveats that many potential migrants would find offputting.
A minority of State citizens were born abroad and are of ethnic groups other than the principle ones most commonly identified as Caldari. We're talking roughly 1% here, but we have ethnic Gallenteans from the Federation, Khanid, Minmatar, you name it.
Of course, if you're a State citizen you are expected to behave like one. The Megacorporate Meritocraitc system largely treats ethnicity as an irrelevance, a joke or, if somebody is particularly keen on practising their ethnic identity, as a disruption to harmonious social homogeneity. It's not that you can't become a State citizen if you were born abroad - it's that if you were born abroad and are proud of that fact then you're not behaving like a Caldari, and we are the Caldari State. Cases like the Provist administration which treated otherwise excellent citizens who happened to have a hint of Gallentean genome as borderline criminals are an anomaly.
A Minmatar, for example, who wished to immigrate to the State, would be expected to renounce their voluval mark, clan markings and tattoos in order to integrate into the State's mainstream, or else find themselves pushed into a client colony without a fraction of the opportunities or room to advance. In light of that, it's hardly surprising then that we have so little immigration. It's neither illegal nor impossible, it's just that we're not interested in multiculturalism. The State is for Caldari. If you want to share in its bounty, you need to be Caldari, but that word is a philosophical rather than an ethnic term.
"Our House, Our Rules". An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Skye Nico
83
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Posted - 2014.09.01 05:00:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Skye Nico wrote:Diana Kim wrote: While Caldari capsuleers were defending the State, flying in fleets to defend out systems or to attack occupied by enemy zones, he has chosen to not be part of us, part of the State, he didn't want to be Caldari, and thus he is not among us.
This is a load of ****. It is legally impossible to be a State citizen if you are not born there. It does not matter if you 'want to be Caldari' or not. You should probably have quoted a paragraph where she wasn't specifically vomiting out some more calumnied bilgewater about me, Pilot Nico. I was very much born in the State. In any event, you've got that wrong. - immigration to the State by foreign-born nationals is perfectly possible. There are just a few caveats that many potential migrants would find offputting. A minority of State citizens were born abroad and are of ethnic groups other than the principle ones most commonly identified as Caldari. We're talking roughly 1% here, but we have ethnic Gallenteans from the Federation, Khanid, Minmatar, you name it. Of course, if you're a State citizen you are expected to behave like one. The Megacorporate Meritocraitc system largely treats ethnicity as an irrelevance, a joke or, if somebody is particularly keen on practising their ethnic identity, as a disruption to harmonious social homogeneity. It's not that you can't become a State citizen if you were born abroad - it's that if you were born abroad and are proud of that fact then you're not behaving like a Caldari, and we are the Caldari State. Cases like the Provist administration which treated otherwise excellent citizens who happened to have a hint of Gallentean genome as borderline criminals are an anomaly. A Minmatar, for example, who wished to immigrate to the State, would be expected to renounce their voluval mark, clan markings and tattoos in order to integrate into the State's mainstream, or else find themselves pushed into a client colony without a fraction of the opportunities or room to advance. In light of that, it's hardly surprising then that we have so little immigration. It's neither illegal nor impossible, it's just that we're not interested in multiculturalism. The State is for Caldari. If you want to share in its bounty, you need to be Caldari, but that word is a philosophical rather than an ethnic term. "Our House, Our Rules".
I believe you are confusing residence with citizenship. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
746
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Posted - 2014.09.01 08:11:00 -
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Pretty sure he responded to a post about citizenship and whether or not it was possible to attain as a foreigner. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
805
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Posted - 2014.09.01 09:30:00 -
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
I'm seeing it like Jude and am sorry for being so awesome.
Proceed. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Skye Nico
115
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Posted - 2014.09.01 13:46:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:Pretty sure he responded to a post about citizenship and whether or not it was possible to attain as a foreigner.
The source material he referenced is out of date and incorrect. I responded with more recent material that clears up the issue. It is possible for someone born outside of the State to have residence that includes many of the benefits of citizenship, but full citizenship is not possible for them. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4001
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Posted - 2014.09.01 14:13:00 -
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I think what we have here, gentlepilots, is a clear example of things in the State being a little more complicated than can adequately be summarized in an appropriately brief way. One source says one thing, another contradicts it... let's just accept for now that in a society as heavily fractured along corporate lines as ours, what's true for Lai Dai may not be true for Hyasyoda.
There are some thousands of billions of people living in the State after all, and I would consider it deeply unlikely for there to be NO exceptions whatsoever to any general rule you might make about the nature of their citizenship or legal status. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3305
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Posted - 2014.09.01 14:48:00 -
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The next time I see you, Steff, I'm going to answer everything you say with "For the Staaaaaate!".
Just for making this thread. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1648
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Posted - 2014.09.02 01:07:00 -
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I still fail to see what the actual issue is though. The vast majority of IGS discussion is not unlike people discussing a Splinterz match over drinks. Talk of your favourite teams, the performance of players, and general statistics does not change the fact that you're not playing on the field yourself. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
923
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Posted - 2014.09.02 16:51:00 -
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[Obligatory rabble rousing]
Carry on. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Jude Kopenhagen
Stormcrows
50
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Posted - 2014.09.02 17:56:00 -
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Desiderya wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,
I'm seeing it like Jude and am sorry for being so awesome.
Proceed.
Hahahaha, nice try.
No, seriously, what does "Sorry" mean? |
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
807
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Posted - 2014.09.02 20:38:00 -
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In this case? Being polite and humble. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Jude Kopenhagen
Stormcrows
50
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Posted - 2014.09.02 22:16:00 -
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Desiderya wrote:In this case? Being polite and humble.
But you always are, it comes with being awesome. |
Quintrala
Sisters of Eve eXpeditonary
0
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Posted - 2014.09.03 01:17:00 -
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Jude Kopenhagen wrote:Desiderya wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,
I'm seeing it like Jude and am sorry for being so awesome.
Hahahaha, nice try. No, seriously, what does "Sorry" mean? Need I remind you?
Q |
Morgan Wulver
State Protectorate Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2014.09.03 02:37:00 -
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If you Stormcrows want to start a riot so easily, you could just toss a brick through a window or something instead of harnessing generations of cultural hatred. Kirjuun! Uakan!-áTeknikiara!-áKanpai kameitsamuu!-áRa ra ra!-á
Quite Possibly the Worst Provist Since YC111!-á |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1651
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Posted - 2014.09.03 10:35:00 -
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Morgan Wulver wrote:If you Stormcrows want to start a riot so easily, you could just toss a brick through a window or something instead of harnessing generations of cultural hatred.
Who would start a riot? Those too easily offended by words on the IGS?
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2014.09.03 10:50:00 -
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Morgan Wulver wrote:If you Stormcrows want to start a riot so easily, you could just toss a brick through a window or something instead of harnessing generations of cultural hatred.
Wrong. If you want the Stormcrows to start a riot you need to sign an agreement with them and make the down-payment. |
Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
343
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Posted - 2014.09.03 12:32:00 -
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Morgan Wulver wrote:If you Stormcrows want to start a riot so easily, you could just toss a brick through a window or something instead of harnessing generations of cultural hatred.
First, this is my personal observation and not one shared by the rest of the Stormcrows. Also, if you did just a little research, you would realize that the majority of the Stormcrows are Caldari. Steffanie Saissore, Knight Stormcrows
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Jude Kopenhagen
Stormcrows
52
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Posted - 2014.09.03 20:56:00 -
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Steffanie Saissore wrote: Also, if you did just a little research, you would realize that the majority of the Stormcrows are Caldari.
I thought we all were... |
Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
343
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Posted - 2014.09.03 21:08:00 -
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Jude Kopenhagen wrote:Steffanie Saissore wrote: Also, if you did just a little research, you would realize that the majority of the Stormcrows are Caldari. I thought we all were...
Do I need to pull out the application form? Steffanie Saissore, Knight Stormcrows
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Jude Kopenhagen
Stormcrows
52
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Posted - 2014.09.03 21:10:00 -
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Steffanie Saissore wrote:Jude Kopenhagen wrote:Steffanie Saissore wrote: Also, if you did just a little research, you would realize that the majority of the Stormcrows are Caldari. I thought we all were... Do I need to pull out the application form?
Sorry Ma'am, no ma'am.
Gosh, you certainly have our sense of humour. |
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