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WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:53:00 -
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Why did these every bother getting nerfed when there are rigs that counter it?
All you need is a T2 Dispersion Projector Rig and you can perma jam - yes perma jam from 80Km at least! and thats with only 1 named ECM, not even a T2 one!
I mean the accuracy falloff is 49 km, so being 80+km away is near the top end of that, how the hell can you still be perma jamming? The decrease in falloff range is obviously not working! Seriously! If you are gonna nerf it then do it properly!! Its a joke a ship can just perma jam you anyway!! wtf! |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:56:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Why did these every bother getting nerfed when there are rigs that counter it?
All you need is a T2 Dispersion Projector Rig and you can perma jam - yes perma jam from 80Km at least! and thats with only 1 named ECM, not even a T2 one!
Seriously! If you are gonna nerf it then do it properly!! Its a joke a ship can just perma jam you anyway!! wtf!
I planned to have a movie night with a bowl of popcorn, but it seems I forgot to add enough salt. Luckily, your tears did. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
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Posted - 2011.11.23 17:57:00 -
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Chance based mechanics that basically give a chance of 100% unless people in the opposing fleet have 2+ module slots taken up (PER SHIP) for a counter measure, or a specific implant set, while all other EWAR options are pointless when they do much less than ECM offers.
Moderately useless in large scale fleets but no more so than any other EWAR. In smaller scale it is not so much a force multiplier as a force nullifier. Smaller gang / solo versus an ECM fleet? Say goodbye to your ships and try again...
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WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:02:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Chance based mechanics that basically give a chance of 100% unless people in the opposing fleet have 2+ module slots taken up (PER SHIP) for a counter measure, or a specific implant set, while all other EWAR options are pointless when they do much less than ECM offers.
Moderately useless in large scale fleets but no more so than any other EWAR. In smaller scale it is not so much a force multiplier as a force nullifier. Smaller gang / solo versus an ECM fleet? Say goodbye to your ships and try again...
Cant see anything wrong with that myself.
look NO ONE EVER EVER EVER EVER fits hardly 1 ECCM nevermind 2 EVER!! A jam that perma jams with a t1 mod at almost its optimal + fall off range - there is something seriously wrong! The decrease in falloff range is obviously not working!
the reason it got nerfed was because peeople where jamming at long range! obviously this didnt work, and sorry but a ship should not be able to perma jam! even if its specialised. |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:04:00 -
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At least falcons cost a fair amount. Blackbirds are the most overpowered subcap ship in the game. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:06:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:
the reason it got nerfed was because peeople where jamming at long range! obviously this didnt work, and sorry but a ship should not be able to perma jam! even if its specialised.
Oh, speaking of specialized. Look at the Blackbird. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:06:00 -
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I often fit ECCM, not sure why you think people do not. Now I have problems with ECCM, as there aren't ANTI Neut Mods, ANTI TP mods, ANTI web mods, etc. There are cap boosters, abs and mwds that all have a purpose other than ANTI ECM. Let us eat cake! -áI mean open containers in corp hangers please ... Let us stack all modules (eliminate repackaging), except damaged ones, give them a red hue/icon. Let us see damaged drones in our drone bay!
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Percival Gates
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:06:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Why did these every bother getting nerfed... My head hurts.
Sounds like somebody got jammed. Forum sperg of this magnitude can only be explained by...ohhhh. They used the raspberry, didn't they?!?! |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:07:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:I often fit ECCM, not sure why you think people do not. Now I have problems with ECCM, as there aren't ANTI Neut Mods, ANTI TP mods, ANTI web mods, etc. There are cap boosters, abs and mwds that all have a purpose other than ANTI ECM.
you must be the only person that does then |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:08:00 -
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Percival Gates wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:Why did these every bother getting nerfed... My head hurts. Sounds like somebody got jammed. Forum sperg of this magnitude can only be explained by...ohhhh. They used the raspberry, didn't they?!?!
obvious troll stating the obvious |
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KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:09:00 -
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This is a terrible thread. Falcons are not overpowered, and you're an idiot. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:10:00 -
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KFenn wrote:This is a terrible thread. Falcons are not overpowered, and you're an idiot.
Please explain how they are not...
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KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:14:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:KFenn wrote:This is a terrible thread. Falcons are not overpowered, and you're an idiot. Please explain how they are not... Please explain how they are with actual facts, and not just conjecture. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |
De'Veldrin
Element 27 Intrepid Crossing
101
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:24:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:I often fit ECCM, not sure why you think people do not. Now I have problems with ECCM, as there aren't ANTI Neut Mods, ANTI TP mods, ANTI web mods, etc. There are cap boosters, abs and mwds that all have a purpose other than ANTI ECM. you must be the only person that does then
According to Eve Central, there have been over 2500 T2 ECCM modules sold in the last 24 hours. Take that data for what it's worth, but I dare say that there are people that use it. And more than just a couple. Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:52:00 -
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Boost falcons. Nerf whiners. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:52:00 -
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WhyTry1 wrote:Why did these every bother getting nerfed when there are rigs that counter it?
All you need is a T2 Dispersion Projector Rig and you can perma jam - yes perma jam from 80Km at least! and thats with only 1 named ECM, not even a T2 one!
I mean the accuracy falloff is 49 km, so being 80+km away is near the top end of that, how the hell can you still be perma jamming? The decrease in falloff range is obviously not working! Seriously! If you are gonna nerf it then do it properly!! Its a joke a ship can just perma jam you anyway!! wtf!
Not only do you not have a clue about ECM, you also appear to lack any knowledge of gunnery combat and falloff. |
Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:54:00 -
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Percival Gates wrote:Sounds like somebody got jammed. Forum sperg of this magnitude can only be explained by...ohhhh. They used the raspberry, didn't they?!?!
I threw that reference out once and it never gets the bite it deserves. Damn kids are too young for the reference
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Sobic
FeuerSturm.
7
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:56:00 -
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Yet ECM ships die by the truck load every week...
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Sobic
FeuerSturm.
7
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:59:00 -
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On a serious note: If you could assign drone targets even when jammed. It would balance out ECM even further. |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:03:00 -
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Sobic wrote:Yet ECM ships die by the truck load every week...
...because there are truck loads of them to be killed.
I don't even remember the last time I saw a celestis or bellicose used in combat. : / |
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Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:04:00 -
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Sobic wrote:On a serious note: If you could assign drone targets even when jammed. It would balance out ECM even further.
If only they'd add something like an Aggressive setting to drones, so they attack anything attacking you.... |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:08:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:I often fit ECCM, not sure why you think people do not. Now I have problems with ECCM, as there aren't ANTI Neut Mods, ANTI TP mods, ANTI web mods, etc. There are cap boosters, abs and mwds that all have a purpose other than ANTI ECM.
Real life ECM of the jamming variety actually works a lot more like Eve's sensor dampeners. So if you wanted to emulate that aspect then combining the ECCM and sensor booster modules would make sense. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:11:00 -
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Percival Gates wrote:Sounds like somebody got jammed. Forum sperg of this magnitude can only be explained by...ohhhh. They used the raspberry, didn't they?!?!
Only ONE person would DARE use raspberry!
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cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:14:00 -
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They most certianly are not overpowered. Falcons are paper thin, not very agile and are slow as f**k. They also do very little dps. If anything they need a boost. |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:35:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote:WhyTry1 wrote:Why did these every bother getting nerfed when there are rigs that counter it?
All you need is a T2 Dispersion Projector Rig and you can perma jam - yes perma jam from 80Km at least! and thats with only 1 named ECM, not even a T2 one!
I mean the accuracy falloff is 49 km, so being 80+km away is near the top end of that, how the hell can you still be perma jamming? The decrease in falloff range is obviously not working! Seriously! If you are gonna nerf it then do it properly!! Its a joke a ship can just perma jam you anyway!! wtf! Not only do you not have a clue about ECM, you also appear to lack any knowledge of gunnery combat and falloff.
Happy for you to explain rather than troll |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:35:00 -
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cBOLTSON wrote:They most certianly are not overpowered. Falcons are paper thin, not very agile and are slow as f**k. They also do very little dps. If anything they need a boost.
not much you can do when they are 80km away from you eh! and your perma jammed! dear oh dear - oh yeah your from brick...its ok i understand,
ps I love trolls..., they just post angry posts and offer absolutley no reasoning.. empty heads make most sound perhaps |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:37:00 -
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ECM should be boosted so that they can have tank. (even a little) If they combined ECCM with the sensor booster, they should make it so that they do not need racial jammers.
After all, you do not need a racial turret destabilizer, or a racial neut or a racial web...
ECM is so very RACIST!
/half hearted troll
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WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:37:00 -
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Hauling Hal wrote:Sobic wrote:On a serious note: If you could assign drone targets even when jammed. It would balance out ECM even further. If only they'd add something like an Aggressive setting to drones, so they attack anything attacking you....
again not much good at 80km seeing drones cant aggress from that far, i guess ppl keep missing that point, the 80+ km distance bit |
Amro One
One.
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:39:00 -
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Man do you have **** skills.
My falcon perma jams at 120kms with no rigs.
Can i have your stuff. |
WhyTry1
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.23 19:40:00 -
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Amro One wrote:Man do you have **** skills.
My falcon perma jams at 120kms with no rigs.
Can i have your stuff.
lol...touche, you dont need my stuff, your stuff is obviously better than mine |
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