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TALON ISHTAR
Miner's Aggressive Behavior
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Posted - 2014.09.01 20:12:00 -
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Hello CCP,
I am a builder and I have over 500 BPO's & BPC's in 20+ small standard containers, I Bought a station container that is 1 million M3 so I can put all the small containers inside but its not allowed,
And I want to shorten the item hanger a bit and to make easier to sort though the blueprints, Can you fix the station container to except the small containers with BP inside Them.
This would help all who have a ton of BPO's & BPC's in 40 or 50 small containers in the station.
Thank you. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
504
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Posted - 2014.09.01 20:22:00 -
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TALON ISHTAR wrote:Hello CCP,
I am a builder and I have over 500 BPO's & BPC's in 20+ small standard containers, I Bought a station container that is 1 million M3 so I can put all the small containers inside but its not allowed,
And I want to shorten the item hanger a bit and to make easier to sort though the blueprints, Can you fix the station container to except the small containers with BP inside Them.
This would help all who have a ton of BPO's & BPC's in 40 or 50 small containers in the station.
Thank you.
Sorry buddy, it will not happen, dont ask why, but this has been around for a long time. probably old inventory code..
One work-around is to keep your blueprints inside small named ships like shuttles, and put the shuttles into an orca ship maintenance bay. Stupid i know, but you cannot have multiple layers of containers. |
TALON ISHTAR
Miner's Aggressive Behavior
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Posted - 2014.09.01 20:33:00 -
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I don't think it would be to much to ask for a small fix like that, It would be simpler to sort out. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2014.09.01 20:46:00 -
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TALON ISHTAR wrote:I don't think it would be to much to ask for a small fix like that, It would be simpler to sort out. As you seem to know so much about how the EVE item database works and how it handles containers, why don't you just post the simple code fix and someone at CCP only has to paste in in between coffee and beer breaks. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Riela Tanal
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
47
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:03:00 -
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I ran into the same problem when fitting ships for Theomachy. When you have over 7,000 fitted ships in your hangar, you can't even get in a ship or out of one. So having to split them through the different corp hangars was troublesome since each container has a 1k limit. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6834
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:07:00 -
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Oh oh oh me Sir me Sir I know
Open corp office
Put cans in corp hangar labelled "Cans & Stuff"
Close hangar "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
46479
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:20:00 -
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The "search" function in the new blueprint browser works actually pretty well. I discovered that I only need two containers: one for all the blueprints that I use most often and one for everything else. But I can understand your notion of wanting everything a little more structured and tidier. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
811
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:40:00 -
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I'd rather see them raising the item limit or make bpcs with the same stats stackable. Remove insurance. |
S'Way
870
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Posted - 2014.09.01 21:52:00 -
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The best use of station containers - Assemble them, then trade them to random people in stations. |
Slicr
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Posted - 2014.09.01 22:08:00 -
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I am an experienced Station Manager. Give me access to your corporation hangar and I guarantee I will have that organized in no time at all I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6264
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Posted - 2014.09.01 22:15:00 -
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TALON ISHTAR wrote:I don't think it would be to much to ask for a small fix like that, It would be simpler to sort out.
LOL.
Difficulty: CCP.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2014.09.01 22:37:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:TALON ISHTAR wrote:I don't think it would be to much to ask for a small fix like that, It would be simpler to sort out. As you seem to know so much about how the EVE item database works and how it handles containers, why don't you just post the simple code fix and someone at CCP only has to paste in in between coffee and beer breaks. As you seem to know so much about how the EVE item database works and how it handles containers, why don't you just post the reasons why this wouldn't be a simple fix?
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TALON ISHTAR
Miner's Aggressive Behavior
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Posted - 2014.09.02 05:17:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Abrazzar wrote:TALON ISHTAR wrote:I don't think it would be to much to ask for a small fix like that, It would be simpler to sort out. As you seem to know so much about how the EVE item database works and how it handles containers, why don't you just post the simple code fix and someone at CCP only has to paste in in between coffee and beer breaks. As you seem to know so much about how the EVE item database works and how it handles containers, why don't you just post the reasons why this wouldn't be a simple fix?
It has already been written it just need to change in the code the 0 to a 1 to allow smaller containers to be placed inside larger containers, So it is that simple if you understand core code writing. Wich you have no idea about. |
Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2014.09.02 05:32:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Abrazzar wrote:TALON ISHTAR wrote:I don't think it would be to much to ask for a small fix like that, It would be simpler to sort out. As you seem to know so much about how the EVE item database works and how it handles containers, why don't you just post the simple code fix and someone at CCP only has to paste in in between coffee and beer breaks. As you seem to know so much about how the EVE item database works and how it handles containers, why don't you just post the reasons why this wouldn't be a simple fix? Look. I got these posts to telescope! Give me the job!
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Lothras Andastar
Associated North American Lovers of Dolphins
103
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Posted - 2014.09.02 10:54:00 -
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TALON ISHTAR wrote:Steppa Musana wrote:Abrazzar wrote:TALON ISHTAR wrote:I don't think it would be to much to ask for a small fix like that, It would be simpler to sort out. As you seem to know so much about how the EVE item database works and how it handles containers, why don't you just post the simple code fix and someone at CCP only has to paste in in between coffee and beer breaks. As you seem to know so much about how the EVE item database works and how it handles containers, why don't you just post the reasons why this wouldn't be a simple fix? It has already been written it just need to change in the code the 0 to a 1 to allow smaller containers to be placed inside larger containers, So it is that simple if you understand core code writing. Wich you have no idea about. [Citation Needed]
Also we need Fozzie, Chribba or someone in here now to explain why this is actually difficult.
Also Pssssssssssssh and Legacy Code. Because the Legacy Code has too much Psssssssssssssssh, nothing will ever get fixed until CCP stop wasting money on failed sparkle MMOs and instead rewrite the entire backend of EvE from scratch. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2612
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:27:00 -
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TALON ISHTAR wrote:Steppa Musana wrote:Abrazzar wrote:TALON ISHTAR wrote:I don't think it would be to much to ask for a small fix like that, It would be simpler to sort out. As you seem to know so much about how the EVE item database works and how it handles containers, why don't you just post the simple code fix and someone at CCP only has to paste in in between coffee and beer breaks. As you seem to know so much about how the EVE item database works and how it handles containers, why don't you just post the reasons why this wouldn't be a simple fix? It has already been written it just need to change in the code the 0 to a 1 to allow smaller containers to be placed inside larger containers, So it is that simple if you understand core code writing. Wich you have no idea about.
It's not as simple as that, because this isn't just simple "allows more cans inside" code, but rather more likely is a limitation of the parent/child relationships between "container" and "contents".
a "Hangar Bay Container" (i.e. Item hangar, ship hangar, corp hangar [1-7]) allows for children to have children -- most likely there is grouping somewhat like this:
HangarBay (i.e. Hangars, Cargoholds, etc) ID OwnerID (your character ID) (other stuff)
Container TypeID UniqueID AssembledBoolean ParentContainerID (FK to hangarBay / Cargohold / etc)
Item (e.g. BPO) ParentContainerTypeID - helps the DB filter out for "Small Secure Container" ParentContainerUniqueID - Unique Container that the item is in
However, you cannot have a database table point at itself recursively (i.e. Containers can't have a ParentContainer that lives in the "Containers" table) ... otherwise bad things happen (and server hamsters die). One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
12802
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:46:00 -
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Lothras Andastar wrote:TALON ISHTAR wrote:Steppa Musana wrote:Abrazzar wrote:TALON ISHTAR wrote:I don't think it would be to much to ask for a small fix like that, It would be simpler to sort out. As you seem to know so much about how the EVE item database works and how it handles containers, why don't you just post the simple code fix and someone at CCP only has to paste in in between coffee and beer breaks. As you seem to know so much about how the EVE item database works and how it handles containers, why don't you just post the reasons why this wouldn't be a simple fix? It has already been written it just need to change in the code the 0 to a 1 to allow smaller containers to be placed inside larger containers, So it is that simple if you understand core code writing. Wich you have no idea about. [Citation Needed] Also we need Fozzie, Chribba or someone in here now to explain why this is actually difficult. Also Pssssssssssssh and Legacy Code. Just take a look at the Assets API and nested items, it's pretty yucky, I wouldn't want to imagine multiple levels of nested containers. Then those containers in a a ships cargo bay, then that ship inside a POS hangar.
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Rain6637
Team Evil
16973
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Posted - 2014.09.02 17:17:00 -
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clearly it's a planck generator issue President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3779
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Posted - 2014.09.02 17:32:00 -
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First:
Recursive SQL is nasty stuff. Each layer you add, can add an order of magnitude to the complexity of the code needed to handle it. (especially as you don't know where stuff lies.)
Searching would become even worse than it is now.
'But hangars! And ships!' These are flags on locations, rather than locations in and of themselves. You can nest, at most, 1 deep.
That's an item, in a container, in a location. That location may support flags (hanger 1, hangar 2, hangar 3) but that's it. (a ship is a location, if it's assembled. That ship happens to have a location as well, which can be a station. But it's not in your storage hangar) Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Rain6637
Team Evil
16980
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Posted - 2014.09.02 17:45:00 -
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prove it
[kidding] President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.09.02 17:47:00 -
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Physics says no. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2874
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Posted - 2014.09.02 18:05:00 -
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Another workaround is to give all your BPO containers a prefix to their name, like "BPO". Then use the window filter function to just show you everything with "BPO" in its name. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Kurosaki Rukia
Abysmal Gentlemen We Didn't Mean It
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Posted - 2014.09.02 18:43:00 -
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The solution is simple. Load all your blueprint containers into an iteron, viola, containers inside a container... you can even transport them conveniently just with one easy button press... it's a perk... and don't mind the catalysts I have parked outside they are just for, an. um, long range weather project.... yes that's it, weather.... *nodnod* |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2616
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:42:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:
Edit: People who say 'this is simple' without actually understanding the underlying details, deserve to be beaten round the head with a rotten shark. Then be forced to eat it. I have opinions on such things.
And now we know why Icelandic people eat "the shark" One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.09.03 06:59:00 -
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All the time wasted with the inventory upgrade and they didn't address the one main thing that was wrong with it.
That lame and simplistic filter was a complete disaster and will never replace cans for most serious builder/inventor/manufacturers.
All they needed to do was allow a tabbed inventory. Drag and drop with no cans needed and no pointless filter. I don't know what's in the collective CCP mind sometimes when I see what they come up with as 'solutions' for stuff that changes nothing or makes it worse.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5377
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Posted - 2014.09.03 15:24:00 -
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TALON ISHTAR wrote:Hello CCP,
I am a builder and I have over 500 BPO's & BPC's in 20+ small standard containers, I Bought a station container that is 1 million M3 so I can put all the small containers inside but its not allowed,
And I want to shorten the item hanger a bit and to make easier to sort though the blueprints, Can you fix the station container to except the small containers with BP inside Them.
This would help all who have a ton of BPO's & BPC's in 40 or 50 small containers in the station.
Thank you.
You cannot put one Bag of Holding into another. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Cebraio
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
412
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Posted - 2014.09.03 15:38:00 -
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TALON ISHTAR wrote:It has already been written it just need to change in the code the 0 to a 1 to allow smaller containers to be placed inside larger containers, So it is that simple if you understand core code writing. Wich you have no idea about. I'm impressed, you really know a lot about programming!
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