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Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
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Posted - 2014.09.02 09:25:00 -
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This post is mostly offtopic by purpose. Ill reposted it in a sepatare thread in General Discussion subforum were it belongs.
I've posted it here because what I have to say may throw some light to the community of the reasons of let's say poor quality Eve expansions of CCP in last 2 years or so.
Don't get me wrong, I like most of recent changes to game mechanic, visuals, UI etc. but for a long time I have a feeling that Eve is spinning around not being able to go at any direction.
CCP have to make another milestone in Eve development of a scale of Apocrypa imo because we all get bored and irritated of that infinite bug fixing (bug creating?) fest we are given for last 2 years.
I play Eve for almost 6 years witout even a single day break in subscription time, firstly with 2 account from a begining and for last 2 years with 3 running.
I've done some digging in sh*t to see if Ill be able to get some info what the hell is going inside CCP at the moment.
First if you dont already know, CCP office in San Fran was closed and all employees from that location were dumped due to huge income dive this year ( CCP lost almost 23 mill USD $$$ on World of Darkness project which was shut down this year ).
This is what one of former CCP employee in San Fran location had to say about that:
"No focus or direction for business, products, or people. It was run more like a big boys' playground than a business. Expenditures in hiring, parties, travel, and global conferences that could not possibly be sustained based on revenues and loss of investment dollars. Simple math could project the last couple of years' lay-offs and end of WoD. WoD was used for 7 plus years to scam investors out of money to be funneled to EVE and to Icelandic leaders' hubris. The most fortunate thing about the closing the ATL office was that it happened before the illegal workplace activities were uncovered and claims were made. It may have been fun for some, but it was gender & sexually hostile and things went on there that no one should have to be subject to in the workplace."
A bit embarassing I have to say.
Let's go a little futher.
Most CCP's employees are complaying bout its Management lack of clue and lack of competence:
"Idealism (inside CCP ) needs to be tempered with realism and discipline. Immature processes and failure to measure twice, cut once has led to millions of wasted dollars, countless wasted hours and many layoffs that could be avoided. Too many smart people without discipline and process creates an over empowered peanut gallery. Everyone thinks they are an expert in everything and feels entitled to offer their opinion, even when they have insufficient experience, incomplete information, and are not stakeholders. Many of the old guard employees are complacent and overly comfortable, taking a nearly academic approach and more interested in their vacations, perks, and selves."
"An ego-inflating, can't-look-himself-in-the-mirror CEO. Seriously, after so many layoffs in the past couple of years and stagnant revenue growth, why is the CEO still on the job? He would've been fired already if this were a public company. I guess the board is just as clueless."
"Management doesn't have a clue. With 5-6 layoffs now in the past 3 years, and one disastrous decision after another, you can't believe a word they say. There's zero job security and moral is at an all time worst."
"There is a culture of fear currently present within the CCP offices, and unless your job level is "Manager" or above you live in constant fear of being deemed "unnecessary". Some of the brightest flames at CCP, some of the most dedicated and passionate people have been fired. Gutting developers and support staff whilst leaving the lackluster management team largely unscathed is a horrendous business decision, the failing money situation should land SQUARELY on the shoulders of the CEO and his management team and they should take the proper steps and resign instead of continuing to gut and destroy the wonderful EVE team."
Well, its a sad picture of CCP at it's current state, but it explains why Eve looks as it is with untested patches, bug fixes that creates more bugs than fixes etc.
PS. All CCP employees expressions were quoted. All information above are publicly avaible and are not Company ( CCP ) trade secret nor internal use only.
Sources: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Reviews-E159347.htm Evenews24 All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana-áconsumption. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2014.09.02 09:31:00 -
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Ah, it's this time of week again. [witty image] - Stream |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2358
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Posted - 2014.09.02 09:36:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Ah, it's this time of week again. yes. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
397
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Posted - 2014.09.02 10:03:00 -
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Shiptoasting in weekly Eve is DyingGäó thread. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9476
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Posted - 2014.09.02 10:08:00 -
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*sigh*
In before lock. I'm sure they'll find a reason, but I'm too tired and I've been awake too long to bother with it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5481
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Posted - 2014.09.02 10:08:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:Sources: Evenews24
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.09.02 10:23:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Ah, it's this time of week again. Indeed.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Foxstar Damaskeenus
Soul Takers
202
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Posted - 2014.09.02 10:42:00 -
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TLDR
also
DTSABP
"Delete this **** and ban player" |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
550
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Posted - 2014.09.02 10:43:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Ah, it's this time of week again.
Day, not week |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
4911
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:03:00 -
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"Most CCP's employees are complaying bout its Management lack of clue and lack of competence"
...followed by unattributed remarks with no credibility. If you're going to make a case against CCP, at least support it with something other than rumor-mongering.[/quote]
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Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2360
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:13:00 -
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Ruskarn Andedare wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Ah, it's this time of week again. Day, not week nah, "EVE IS DEADEDING!!11one" threads is a weekly event. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
9768
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:14:00 -
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But what if he is right? - Please people, keep it on topic and above all Sibyyl! - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369657 When ppl think it's fun to respond to HATE, all they show ... is their own. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4358
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:17:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:"Most CCP's employees are complaying bout its Management lack of clue and lack of competence"
...followed by unattributed remarks with no credibility. If you're going to make a case against CCP, at least support it with something other than rumor-mongering.
Then there's the part where he cites EN24 as a 'source'.
Then there's a part where people who lose their jobs are gonna feel bitter about losing their jobs (come on, everyone here that's ever lost a job knows exactly what I'm talking about).
You give people a site where they can post reviews of a 'former' or even 'current' employer anonymously, and anyone and their dog, employed by that company or not, can do so. I'm sure that CCP and its personnel, both upper and lower, have their faults, but the fact that the company is still functioning and producing content is testament to its strength and persistence. The opinions of former employees, whether real or not, are irrelevant to that.
Also, as someone that's worked in various management positions myself, I can tell you that last quote you offered is full of ****. The jobs of lower level employees are a lot safer than those of the managers. Remember Admiral Ozzel in The Empire Strikes Back? How many Stormtroopers suffered his fate for letting the Falcon escape? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
3145
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:18:00 -
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I stopped reading when there was no citation for the quote from the CCP employee that was stationed in the San Fran office.
EDIT: Ex San Fran Employee spotted |
Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
117
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:27:00 -
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I was about to post something funny, but this thread doesn't even deserve that |
Flay Nardieu
Forgotten Union of Knackered Tradesfolk Universal Rockstars
59
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:32:00 -
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Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:TLDR
also
DTSABP
"Delete this **** and ban player"
If/When others provide other sources of verification (must have documented proof even when some things are just take common sense) Fanboys won't want it known, got to love delete the truth and ban the messenger mindset ROFLMAO.
Eve isn't going to end anytime soon, quite likely it will drag on for a few years with the crap releases, corporate hype and Fanfest keggers. Some of us are trying to point out the problems to keep Eve a quality game. I have personally played MMO's that lost touch with their player base, one in particular that exceeds Eve in age of product produced by a major producer. The game is worthless now but still chugging along as "Free to Play" when it was for a long time $30 per expansion and approx $20 a month and worth it.
Players are consumers of a product and service we are entitled to call CCP out on it when even with their claims to want our feedback and having groups like CSM advising them and they short change us on quality, features and content.
For instance one of the most common 'complaint / excuse' from the Devs is about the POS code. Seriously any other software publisher would fork the code in their source management system detach the core from the interface and refactor it or in worse case instances rewrite entire chunks with a dedicated team.
Sadly CCP seems so wrapped up in its own hype that it will take them a huge hit before they get past the Colledge Kid mentality. Personally I have been raising hell about the two most recent expansion and DUST514 debacles not because I'm a hater or unable to face changes if they are really improvements. I have been raising hell because I have enjoyed playing Eve even with the aggravation of senseless ganking, trolls, scams, and griefers.
Rise up against crap improvements, bug ridden releases, and demand quality for you money! CCP no more $$$ from me until then.-á Three accounts funded by buying PLEX with $$$ now idle and this one, the end is nigh. |
Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
130
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:33:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:"Most CCP's employees are complaying bout its Management lack of clue and lack of competence"
...followed by unattributed remarks with no credibility. If you're going to make a case against CCP, at least support it with something other than rumor-mongering. Then there's the part where he cites EN24 as a 'source'. Then there's a part where people who lose their jobs are gonna feel bitter about losing their jobs (come on, everyone here that's ever lost a job knows exactly what I'm talking about). You give people a site where they can post reviews of a 'former' or even 'current' employer anonymously, and anyone and their dog, employed by that company or not, can do so. I'm sure that CCP and its personnel, both upper and lower, have their faults, but the fact that the company is still functioning and producing content is testament to its strength and persistence. The opinions of former employees, whether real or not, are irrelevant to that. Also, as someone that's worked in various management positions myself, I can tell you that last quote you offered is full of ****. The jobs of lower level employees are a lot safer than those of the managers. Remember Admiral Ozzel in The Empire Strikes Back? How many Stormtroopers suffered his fate for letting the Falcon escape?
Evenevs24 was a source of CCP's Recent Financial Report.
Glassdoor is a site where employees speaks, leave feedback etc. of many companies where they are working / had worked in past, not only CCP but Goodle, Microsoft, all kinds.
I've quoted only a few things related to CCP, but you can find feedback from CCP employees dated back to 2010, so telling that's only an angry man thought who just lost a job in San Fran is simply not true.
Also CCP Financial Report is publicly avaible so google it if you dont like EVENEWS24.
For me all parts of puzzles match eachoter a lot more to recent things in Eve.
All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana-áconsumption. |
Garia666
CyberShield Inc Triumvirate.
87
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:34:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:"Most CCP's employees are complaying bout its Management lack of clue and lack of competence"
...followed by unattributed remarks with no credibility. If you're going to make a case against CCP, at least support it with something other than rumor-mongering.
well the last 2 who complained Joe Gallo ( head finance ) and David Reid ( head marketing ). got fired last Thursday or so. So there is some kind of truth in his message. |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
9768
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:35:00 -
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Too much mindshare, no open thoughts.
What ... if he ... is right? - Please people, keep it on topic and above all Sibyyl! - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369657 When ppl think it's fun to respond to HATE, all they show ... is their own. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1494
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:36:00 -
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The last few years of expansions have been some of the best CCP has ever released. Don't take your bitterness over WoD or the fact that you went FOTM chasing and got bitten for it. I've never been happier with expansions in an MMO before. |
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Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
265
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:38:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:First if you dont already know, CCP office in San Fran was closed and all employees from that location were dumped due to huge income dive this year ( CCP lost almost 23 mill USD $$$ on World of Darkness project which was shut down this year ).
From the translated half-year financial statement:
Quote:- Revenue for the first six months totaled 36.5 million, subject to 36.7million in the same period of 2013.
- Gross profit for the period amounted to USD 33.3 million, a decrease of 1.8% without [sic] same period of 2013.
Where's the "huge income dive"? |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5485
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:43:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Where's the "huge income dive"?
I suspect they're confusing asset write-downs with "income loss."
Which is understandable, I mean, noticing that something is not worth what you thought it was is almost exactly the same as having your pay cut... "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2360
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:45:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:Where's the "huge income dive"? I suspect they're confusing asset write-downs with "income loss." Which is understandable, I mean, noticing that something is not worth what you thought it was is almost exactly the same as having your pay cut... it must be because of the huge increase on R&D investment. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
131
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:47:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Too much mindshare, no open thoughts.
What ... if he ... is right?
No one have to believe me blindly. It's just my conclusion based on informations I've found. All can read them by themselves and share their thoughts. If anyone has information that will show I'm wrong, please put them here with sources. Ah CCP financial report is here https://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf
All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana-áconsumption. |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
265
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:50:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Too much mindshare, no open thoughts.
What ... if he ... is right? No one have to believe me blindly. It's just my conclusion based on informations I've found. All can read them by themselves and share their thoughts. If anyone has information that will show I'm wrong, please put them here with sources. Ah CCP financial report is here https://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf
Why are you skipping posts which argue against your points? |
Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
131
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:50:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Xylorn Hasher wrote:First if you dont already know, CCP office in San Fran was closed and all employees from that location were dumped due to huge income dive this year ( CCP lost almost 23 mill USD $$$ on World of Darkness project which was shut down this year ). From the translated half-year financial statement: Quote:- Revenue for the first six months totaled 36.5 million, subject to 36.7million in the same period of 2013.
- Gross profit for the period amounted to USD 33.3 million, a decrease of 1.8% without [sic] same period of 2013. Where's the "huge income dive"?
I see you cant read more than 2 sentences:
"Amortization of development costs, totaling 24 million without tax effects, is by far the biggest factor in the company return loss for the period up to 22.8 million. The company produced 4.5 million in EBITDA for the first six months year, down from 8.3 million in the same period of 2013. The decrease is attributable to the costs of notice provisions and departing employees increased costs to the first stage of new development projects. - See more at: http://evenews24.com/2014/08/28/ccp-financial-report-shutting-down-san-francisco-office-layoffs-and-losses/#sthash.qFz2HkyP.dpuf" All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana-áconsumption. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5485
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:57:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Too much mindshare, no open thoughts.
What ... if he ... is right? No one have to believe me blindly. It's just my conclusion based on informations I've found. All can read them by themselves and share their thoughts. If anyone has information that will show I'm wrong, please put them here with sources. Ah CCP financial report is here https://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf
You don't seem to have read so good.
R&D Costs 2012: 16,513,666 R&D Costs 2013: 56,577,889
Game Revenue 2012: 64,436,996 Game Revenue 2013: 74,184,353
A $10 million dollar increase in income is absolutely a "huge income dive." Just crushing. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
131
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:58:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:"Most CCP's employees are complaying bout its Management lack of clue and lack of competence"
...followed by unattributed remarks with no credibility. If you're going to make a case against CCP, at least support it with something other than rumor-mongering. Then there's the part where he cites EN24 as a 'source'. Then there's a part where people who lose their jobs are gonna feel bitter about losing their jobs (come on, everyone here that's ever lost a job knows exactly what I'm talking about). You give people a site where they can post reviews of a 'former' or even 'current' employer anonymously, and anyone and their dog, employed by that company or not, can do so. I'm sure that CCP and its personnel, both upper and lower, have their faults, but the fact that the company is still functioning and producing content is testament to its strength and persistence. The opinions of former employees, whether real or not, are irrelevant to that. Also, as someone that's worked in various management positions myself, I can tell you that last quote you offered is full of ****. The jobs of lower level employees are a lot safer than those of the managers. Remember Admiral Ozzel in The Empire Strikes Back? How many Stormtroopers suffered his fate for letting the Falcon escape?
Myself I work over 6 years now in one of the biggest hitech corporations in the world. We have over 122.000 employees in 122 countries all over the world, and I tell you you are wrong.
Employee reduction always goes from bottom to tops not the opposite. Company will reduce low quality staff first, then engineers ( not all of course ), then will take bonuses away from Management but rarely will sack them.
All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana-áconsumption. |
Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
131
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Posted - 2014.09.02 11:59:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Xylorn Hasher wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Too much mindshare, no open thoughts.
What ... if he ... is right? No one have to believe me blindly. It's just my conclusion based on informations I've found. All can read them by themselves and share their thoughts. If anyone has information that will show I'm wrong, please put them here with sources. Ah CCP financial report is here https://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf You don't seem to have read so good. R&D Costs 2012: 16,513,666 R&D Costs 2013: 56,577,889 Game Revenue 2012: 64,436,996 Game Revenue 2013: 74,184,353 A $10 million dollar increase in income is absolutely a "huge income dive." Just crushing.
It's for 2013, now we have 09.2014 silly.
Actual one is here: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/ccpgames/assets/ccp-6-manada-uppgjor-2014-frettatilkynning.pdf
translated: http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2er47w/ccp_laying_off_david_reid_closing_san_fran_office/ck25wb4 All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana-áconsumption. |
Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
117
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Posted - 2014.09.02 12:04:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Too much mindshare, no open thoughts.
What ... if he ... is right? What if the world is really flat ? |
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