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LazyDeer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2014.09.02 18:11:00 -
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Everyone is complaining about being ganked and how it cost them nothing to gank. So I suggest we make a increasing cost for insurance for those who die. This way both party's are affected and people can stop crying about justice, and how there not paying for there crimes and etc.
How it works: You buy insurance on X ship and it cost Y(this price doesn't matter) You die and your insurances refunds you X money You buy insurance on X ship again and it cost Y + Z(like 1% or 5%) the increase percentage for dying You continue to die and die and now the insurance cost more than what its worth At the end of the month or whatever time is set depending on wars, Events, Etc Your insurance is reset to the original cost of X+0%
This way both parties are required to pay for dying but those who die more will be affected more, making dying worth more. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3079
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Posted - 2014.09.02 18:25:00 -
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LazyDeer wrote:Everyone is complaining about being ganked and how it cost them nothing to gank. So I suggest we make a increasing cost for insurance for those who die. This way both party's are affected and people can stop crying about justice, and how there not paying for there crimes and etc.
How it works: You buy insurance on X ship and it cost Y(this price doesn't matter) You die and your insurances refunds you X money You buy insurance on X ship again and it cost Y + Z(like 1% or 5%) the increase percentage for dying You continue to die and die and now the insurance cost more than what its worth At the end of the month or whatever time is set depending on wars, Events, Etc Your insurance is reset to the original cost of X+0%
This way both parties are required to pay for dying but those who die more will be affected more, making dying worth more.
What?
You want insurance to cost more for people who get ganked?
What is the purpose? To teach them some sort of lesson? Losing their ships doesn't teach them; higher insurance isn't going to teach them, either. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2515
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Posted - 2014.09.02 18:54:00 -
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I'm pretty sure the people complaining about how ganking costs nothing have no idea how ganks actually work.
It's easy to make ridiculous claims about something when you're totally ignorant of the topic at hand. |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
377
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Posted - 2014.09.02 18:56:00 -
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This is quite silly ... anyway... I don't insure ships since the second week -¦-¦
Gankers gonna gank, griefers gonna grief, no price is to high for tears and LoLs.
And I am still not sure who you are going to punish, the 300.000 ISK gank pilots or the 300.000.000 ganked ones - duhhh ! Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Kell Braugh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.09.02 18:57:00 -
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So, you wanna nerf sub capital/cheap pvp? |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1231
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:08:00 -
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Kell Braugh wrote:So, you wanna nerf sub capital/cheap pvp?
The dudes getting wrecked by this change would effectively be the people trying to learn PvP. We totally need to nail those guys while they are possibly losing many ships per day while the guy crying about ganks probably lose on average 2 ship per year or less... |
LazyDeer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2014.09.02 23:08:00 -
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You know its funny you guys are only talking about those who get ganked, which only die once or twice a month in reality so this isn't affecting them as much. But those who gank and are killed by concord never mind them nope they only die tens to hundreds of time a month. Also i found it funny how insurance should work, because a flat rate every time seems like insurance isn't working how it should. Also those who are learning how to pvp if they have no other way to make money then they shouldn't be pvping, let alone find a corp who will reimburse them for there lose because you know that's not a thing.
Heck those who don't die all the time could get lower rates. Reward the good players for using there brain to stay alive and punish the stupid, thought that's how eve works. |
Paranoid Loyd
1674
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Posted - 2014.09.02 23:22:00 -
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Suicide gankers don't get insurance for the ships used in ganks. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
LazyDeer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2014.09.02 23:23:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Suicide gankers don't get insurance for the ships used in ganks. Doesn't mean there rate shouldn't go up for the ships they do.
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Paranoid Loyd
1674
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Posted - 2014.09.02 23:26:00 -
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LazyDeer wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Suicide gankers don't get insurance for the ships used in ganks. Doesn't mean there rate shouldn't go up for the ships they do.
I don't insure any of my ships. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
6028
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Posted - 2014.09.02 23:31:00 -
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LazyDeer wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Suicide gankers don't get insurance for the ships used in ganks. Doesn't mean there rate shouldn't go up for the ships they do. Ummm... yeah. You might want to re-read the current mechanics first and learn about the way things are actually done.
People who suicide gank don't buy insurance in the first place. Because no insurance is paid out if CONCORD kills you. So there is no point.
Your idea does affect everyone else though... specifically newbies who rely on the insurance system to do cheapo PvP in low-sec. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1231
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:10:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:LazyDeer wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Suicide gankers don't get insurance for the ships used in ganks. Doesn't mean there rate shouldn't go up for the ships they do. Ummm... yeah. You might want to re-read the current mechanics first and learn about the way things are actually done. People who suicide gank don't buy insurance in the first place. Because no insurance is paid out if CONCORD kills you. So there is no point. Your idea does affect everyone else though... specifically newbies who rely on the insurance system to do cheapo PvP in low-sec.
I think he means they would buy it for other ship they don't use in ganks. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1231
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:16:00 -
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LazyDeer wrote:You know its funny you guys are only talking about those who get ganked, which only die once or twice a month in reality so this isn't affecting them as much. But those who gank and are killed by concord never mind them nope they only die tens to hundreds of time a month. Also i found it funny how insurance should work, because a flat rate every time seems like insurance isn't working how it should. Also those who are learning how to pvp if they have no other way to make money then they shouldn't be pvping, let alone find a corp who will reimburse them for there lose because you know that's not a thing.
Heck those who don't die all the time could get lower rates. Reward the good players for using there brain to stay alive and punish the stupid, thought that's how eve works.
The insurance was never meant to work like IRL.
If the guy in low sec learning how to PvP need to pay more for his insurance, you are effectively cutting down content because he will have to farm that much more by whatever mean he has to get more ISK.
The only god damn time the insurance actually serve as anything but an isk faucet is when a ship does not die and you want to reduce the price of that?
The reward for being good at PvP is keeping your ship while the penalty for losing is to well, lose your ship. That's enough of a loss unless you want people to spend even more time farming missions/incursions/anoms/whatever...
You idea basically only benefit to one type of people, those who don't engange in PvP and by gain, I really mean don't lose. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
19
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:34:00 -
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LazyDeer wrote: those who are learning how to pvp if they have no other way to make money then they shouldn't be pvping punish the stupid, thought that's how eve works.
Yeah screw new players make them sit mining in HS for there first few months so the can get the best first impressions of the game |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2522
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:28:00 -
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LazyDeer wrote:You know its funny you guys are only talking about those who get ganked, which only die once or twice a month in reality so this isn't affecting them as much. But those who gank and are killed by concord never mind them nope they only die tens to hundreds of time a month. Also i found it funny how insurance should work, because a flat rate every time seems like insurance isn't working how it should. Also those who are learning how to pvp if they have no other way to make money then they shouldn't be pvping, let alone find a corp who will reimburse them for there lose because you know that's not a thing.
Heck those who don't die all the time could get lower rates. Reward the good players for using there brain to stay alive and punish the stupid, thought that's how eve works.
I wanted to put some actual effort into this reply and then I noticed that you're a forum alt. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
479
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:38:00 -
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LazyDeer wrote:You know its funny you guys are only talking about those who get ganked, which only die once or twice a month in reality so this isn't affecting them as much. But those who gank and are killed by concord never mind them nope they only die tens to hundreds of time a month. Also i found it funny how insurance should work, because a flat rate every time seems like insurance isn't working how it should. Also those who are learning how to pvp if they have no other way to make money then they shouldn't be pvping, let alone find a corp who will reimburse them for there lose because you know that's not a thing.
Heck those who don't die all the time could get lower rates. Reward the good players for using there brain to stay alive and punish the stupid, thought that's how eve works.
First, dying is a part of eve pvp. Lets have the noobs accept and move on despite this not raising insurance on them. I cba to e-stalk you name on killboards but I am going to assume you are not a pvp god who didn't crash and burn a few frigs and cruisers starting out. If we have noobs splitting pve time to cover the difference of what insurance doesn't cover to rush out and try again....we have ourselves a player playing eve right. Lets not have them join the masses of billionaires in empire going man I will pvp after I make 5 billion more, I mean it this time.
And not all players die to stupidity. Some good players die to just better players. No stupid mistakes made..its just they got outplayed. Since tis the season and we see t1 frigs in comps from time time....I'd like to see you go against one of the consistent performers of AT t1 frig for t1 frig (or any class of ship of t1...will avoid the t2 insurance sucks bait lol) and see how you make out.
If you go boom..do I get to call you stupid and not have you report my post for personal attack violation (as I am using your own words...)? Hell I will be nice and give you up and comers. Of course how nice I am here is debatable. Some up and comers put on some good shows this year. |
Poena Loveless
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.09.03 07:47:00 -
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I think you are missing the point of the game completely. It isn't to not loose your ship, it is to have fun interacting with other people, which when done right, means lots of ships blow up. Why would we want to reward NOT taking risks? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9507
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Posted - 2014.09.03 08:26:00 -
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This thread... "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
266
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Posted - 2014.09.03 08:46:00 -
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Tie insurance to forum shiptoasting, more for more. |
Lugalzagezi666
235
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Posted - 2014.09.03 09:42:00 -
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Insurance is stupid, it shouldnt be in game at all if it doesnt take ship losses, use of the ship and area where it is used into account. And insurance company paying you after involving in criminal activity and losing the ship to concord MULTIPLE times over and over is biggest idiocy in eve. |
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
692
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Posted - 2014.09.03 09:48:00 -
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People insure ships? |
elitatwo
Congregatio
286
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Posted - 2014.09.03 09:59:00 -
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Okay I admit, I do insure my tech one hull > cruiser so I get some isk back and can afford a new one but CONCORD doesn't pay any insurance, Pend Insurance Inc does, so I have been told. signature |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
377
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Posted - 2014.09.03 11:43:00 -
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LazyDeer wrote:You know its funny you guys are only talking about those who get ganked, which only die once or twice a month in reality so this isn't affecting them as much. But those who gank and are killed by concord never mind them nope they only die tens to hundreds of time a month. Also i found it funny how insurance should work, because a flat rate every time seems like insurance isn't working how it should. Also those who are learning how to pvp if they have no other way to make money then they shouldn't be pvping, let alone find a corp who will reimburse them for there lose because you know that's not a thing.
Heck those who don't die all the time could get lower rates. Reward the good players for using there brain to stay alive and punish the stupid, thought that's how eve works. You should play abit more and lose a bit more to udnerstand how insurance works, or doesn't work.
You destroyer insurance payout might look fine, but have you ever insured a Vindicator, an EOS, a Bhargest, a Nestor ? No - and me neither. And I know why ... do you ?
And those corps exist btw. check RvB ... Eveuni, and we are just an industrial training corp and I offer free PvP ships to players (just fit another 20 yesterday and placed them in the open hangar for everyone to grabs).
Just because you can't see it or think of it or are unlicky ... doesn't mean it is what you think it is or that the rest of us can't deal with it, what ever "IT" actually is -¦-¦
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But I said that already in post #3 or #4 or something. Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Absolutely Not Analt
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2014.09.03 12:09:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:Insurance is stupid, it shouldnt be in game at all if it doesnt take ship losses, use of the ship and area where it is used into account. Think of it more as a subsidy to encourage people to go out and risk their ships than actual insurance. Then it starts to make more sense.
Lugalzagezi666 wrote: And insurance company paying you after involving in criminal activity and losing the ship to concord MULTIPLE times over and over is biggest idiocy in eve.
And, as has already been pointed out, if CONCORD kills you, you don't get the insurance payout. They changed that a while back.
Eve is a multi player game.-áAnd you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin |
Lugalzagezi666
235
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Posted - 2014.09.03 13:42:00 -
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Absolutely Not Analt wrote:...
That makes zero sense. Why there even should be any subsidy to people losing ships? That is just lowering the value of the kill for the winner. If ccp feels, people need to be encouraged to risk their ships (in internet spaceships game), maybe they should increase the reward for people risking the ships instead of using stupid and outdated mechanics that has no place in current game (actually it never had and only exploiters ever benefited from it).
And dont start with all these "oh, but noone thinks of new players" bullshit. New players need ways to make decent isk and slowly learn various aspects of the game as they train sp, not mechanics that are forcing them to pvp and then stupid bandaid when they inevitably lose the ship, because they are unprepared and lack skills.
Also it is irrelevant if its concord or navy or whatever, NO insurance company would insure your car, if you intended to go crash it, none would insure you if you crashed 50 cars before, none would insure you if you told them you are going to take your new shiny car to baghdad or kabul and none would insure a criminal... but ccp insurance still happily creates isk out of nowhere when you lose a ship over and over again creating some "very deep and interesting content with consequences" - hurdur, xplosions, pwnzorz, me didnt wantz that ships anyway
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1231
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Posted - 2014.09.03 13:54:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:Absolutely Not Analt wrote:... That makes zero sense. Why there even should be any subsidy to people losing ships? That is just lowering the value of the kill for the winner. If ccp feels, people need to be encouraged to risk their ships (in internet spaceships game), maybe they should increase the reward for people risking the ships instead of using stupid and outdated mechanics that has no place in current game (actually it never had and only exploiters ever benefited from it).
Every single resource you can gain from potentially more dangerous space is market driven. Anything with a high value gets farmed into oblivion where it's value crash unless it purposely made to be really rare and then you can't base your income on it because it's not steady.
The insurance subsidy is basically a free pass on some farming so you spend a greater part of your time in player combat than in PvE content. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1231
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Posted - 2014.09.03 13:55:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:Insurance is stupid, it shouldnt be in game at all if it doesnt take ship losses, use of the ship and area where it is used into account. And insurance company paying you after involving in criminal activity and losing the ship to concord MULTIPLE times over and over is biggest idiocy in eve.
Do insurance company really check your track record if you never collect tho? I never bothered to ask but since CONCORD ship loss are not covered by the policy, would even an actual insurance company care as long as there is no way to fraud them over a non covered loss? |
Lugalzagezi666
235
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Posted - 2014.09.03 14:11:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Since when does the insurance system force people to PvP? Where did I say it is insurance system that forces people to pvp?
Also, of course insurance companies check your track record before signing a contract ,it has influence on actual amount you have to pay for insurance too. And considering things like sex, age or even color of the car matters for them, I bet that someones enthusiasm to crash cars and use them for criminal activity (even not insured by company) would also play a role for them. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1231
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Posted - 2014.09.03 14:29:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Since when does the insurance system force people to PvP? Where did I say it is insurance system that forces people to pvp? Also, of course insurance companies check your track record before signing a contract ,it has influence on actual amount you have to pay for insurance too. And considering things like sex, age or even color of the car matters for them, I bet that someones enthusiasm to crash cars and use them for criminal activity (even not insured by company) would also play a role for them.
Do they check for stuff not covered? If I burn down my own house down then rebuild it by taking the loss on myself and never claiming anything since it's obviously not covered by the contract, do they really give a damn or do they just take your money when you resiliate the previous contract for the now gone house and more money when you want insurance for the new one? Because suicide ganking is pretty much just that.
I took for granted that you were talking about insurance since this whole thread is about it. I guess throwing irrelevant point in the discussion is all well and good as long as it serve your point... Newbies are not forced to PvP by any mechanic anymore than anyone else in EVE and there are way to reduce that risk. Removing insurance does not change anything about that beside that said newbie will be down more ISK when he lose a ship which is bound to happen to him as he is a newbie still learning.
Giving more way to earn ISK does not solve what the insurance serve at all. Insurance make you spend more of your time in PvP while more ISK possibility is still putting you in farm mode. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
10
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Posted - 2014.09.03 14:42:00 -
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Poena Loveless wrote:I think you are missing the point of the game completely. It isn't to not loose your ship, it is to have fun interacting with other people, which when done right, means lots of ships blow up. Why would we want to reward NOT taking risks? I agree with you that the idea is to have fun interacting with others from around the world through internet spaceships. However your assessment that all players like to go out and blow stuff up is incorrect. There are many in the EVE Universe that have never blown anything up, not even in missions. On the other hand even indy tunes love the fact that ships are getting blown up cause someone somewhere gets to make them.
Just say no to OP idea on insurance. As mentioned this would not affect the gankers in any way all it would do in punish those who are the victims of the ganks. What a way to reward players they lost a ship, maybe even their pod and now we are going to charge them more for insurance on the next ship they were forced to buy.
We can add to the list of those affected by this idea the new player mission runners that routinely step up to the next level of missions long before they have the skills trained and a proper fit often resulting in ship losses. So yes lets encourage their eagerness and desire to explore and push personal boundaries by making them pay more for insurance. |
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