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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
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Posted - 2014.09.03 08:31:00 -
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Komi Toran wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:All the examples you just described are of one group being tolerant of another intolerant group. The purpose of a call for "tolerance" is directed at the intolerant group, not the one who is already demonstrating it. I think you're arguing semantics when the idea is a fairly simple one: sign up to support halting the spreading prejudices and bigotry. So the Westboro Baptists are being tolerant of the intolerant gay counter-protestors, and the gay counter-protestors are being tolerant of the intolerant Westboro Baptists? That makes absolutely no sense, but do carry on. You got all of that from what I wrote did you? Seems as though you just enjoy the play with words so have fun with that, do carry on. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1488
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Posted - 2014.09.03 08:51:00 -
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"We believe that everyone, no matter what gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion or disability has the right to play games, criticize games and make games without getting harassed or threatened."
Bold part makes this painfully paradoxal. There is nothing, nothing tolerant about religion. Gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity and disability are properties no human being deliberately opts into. Why does religion make this list, when it is religion itself that propagates ill will towards woman, gays, and certain ethnic groups? Religion goes against the sheer definition of tolerance, and as long as it is included in statements like this I can't take them seriously. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6017
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Posted - 2014.09.03 09:38:00 -
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Is this a thread about that woman who shut down a legitimate charity event so she could run her own event that would funnel any donations directly in to her bank account? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2375
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Posted - 2014.09.03 09:43:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Is this a thread about that woman who shut down a legitimate charity event so she could run her own event that would funnel any donations directly in to her bank account? while related, it's not directly about her, but about the damage she herself has been doing. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Flay Nardieu
Forgotten Union of Knackered Tradesfolk Universal Rockstars
60
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Posted - 2014.09.03 10:06:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:"We believe that everyone, no matter what gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion or disability has the right to play games, criticize games and make games without getting harassed or threatened."
Bold part makes this painfully paradoxal. There is nothing, nothing tolerant about religion. Gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity and disability are properties no human being deliberately opts into. Why does religion make this list, when it is religion itself that propagates ill will towards woman, gays, and certain ethnic groups? Religion goes against the sheer definition of tolerance, and as long as it is included in statements like this I can't take them seriously.
With all due respect I would have to disagree, many religions hold true universal acceptance and are vary tolerant coexisting with people who follow different paths with no aggression toward them although the reverse usually isn't true. Please don't mistake my saying such that I approve of evangelism or zealots nor believe real world faith based ideologies are appropriate in a virtual space of such as Eve. Rise up against crap improvements, bug ridden releases, and demand quality for you money! If you disagree with me fine, but if you quote me be sure you can offer some debate. |
Astenion
The Scope Gallente Federation
403
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Posted - 2014.09.03 11:34:00 -
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Looks like developers are trying to create a diversion by using the bigot card to cover up their mafia-like, backroom deals of "Let me put my **** in you/I'll let you put your **** in me and I'll give you a good review/if you give me a good review on my/your gaming website."
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1488
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Posted - 2014.09.03 12:23:00 -
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Flay Nardieu wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:"We believe that everyone, no matter what gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion or disability has the right to play games, criticize games and make games without getting harassed or threatened."
Bold part makes this painfully paradoxal. There is nothing, nothing tolerant about religion. Gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity and disability are properties no human being deliberately opts into. Why does religion make this list, when it is religion itself that propagates ill will towards woman, gays, and certain ethnic groups? Religion goes against the sheer definition of tolerance, and as long as it is included in statements like this I can't take them seriously. With all due respect I would have to disagree, many religions hold true universal acceptance and are vary tolerant coexisting with people who follow different paths with no aggression toward them although the reverse usually isn't true. Please don't mistake my saying such that I approve of evangelism or zealots nor believe real world faith based ideologies are appropriate in a virtual space of such as Eve.
Peacefull co-existance and universal acceptance may be what a religion preaches, it is never what is being practiced. Some, if not most, are completely supremacist even just in theory. Muslims and Jehova's Witnesses may peacefully co-exist with me, in the end it is their religious belief my soul will burn in hell for all eternity and that in this, their God is just. And people ask of me to tolerate these beliefs? How about no? How about when hell freezes over? |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2376
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Posted - 2014.09.03 13:01:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Flay Nardieu wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:"We believe that everyone, no matter what gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion or disability has the right to play games, criticize games and make games without getting harassed or threatened."
Bold part makes this painfully paradoxal. There is nothing, nothing tolerant about religion. Gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity and disability are properties no human being deliberately opts into. Why does religion make this list, when it is religion itself that propagates ill will towards woman, gays, and certain ethnic groups? Religion goes against the sheer definition of tolerance, and as long as it is included in statements like this I can't take them seriously. With all due respect I would have to disagree, many religions hold true universal acceptance and are vary tolerant coexisting with people who follow different paths with no aggression toward them although the reverse usually isn't true. Please don't mistake my saying such that I approve of evangelism or zealots nor believe real world faith based ideologies are appropriate in a virtual space of such as Eve. Peacefull co-existance and universal acceptance may be what a religion preaches, it is never what is being practiced. Some, if not most, are completely supremacist even just in theory. Muslims and Jehova's Witnesses may peacefully co-exist with me, in the end it is their religious belief my soul will burn in hell for all eternity and that in this, their God is just. And people ask of me to tolerate these beliefs? How about no? How about when hell freezes over? thus why, even tho I'm a moderate atheist, sometimes agnostic, I have the most sincere admiration for pastafarianism.
because, come on, it's the only religion where heaven has a stripper factory and a beer volcano. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1491
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Posted - 2014.09.03 15:43:00 -
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That sounds a lot more attractive then 72 virgins that can't tell a **** from a rooster. |
Angelique Duchemin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
847
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Posted - 2014.09.03 15:45:00 -
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Feel-good garbage.
If they can't be held legally accountable for failing to abide by what they sign for then it's just free PR at no cost and they aren't worth any credit for it. The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity. |
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Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2376
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Posted - 2014.09.03 15:51:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:That sounds a lot more attractive then 72 virgins that can't tell a **** from a rooster. I know, right?[ [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Trin Xi
553
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Posted - 2014.09.03 15:53:00 -
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Funny how the best "journalism" on the subject is to be found on Encyclopedia Dramatica. I won't link the page as it has some NSFW pics toward the end of the article. Post with someone else's mainGäó. |
Trixie Lawless
Wayland Industrial Holdings
12
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:08:00 -
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Komi Toran wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:All the examples you just described are of one group being tolerant of another intolerant group. The purpose of a call for "tolerance" is directed at the intolerant group, not the one who is already demonstrating it. I think you're arguing semantics when the idea is a fairly simple one: sign up to support halting the spreading prejudices and bigotry. So the Westboro Baptists are being tolerant of the intolerant gay counter-protestors, and the gay counter-protestors are being tolerant of the intolerant Westboro Baptists? That makes absolutely no sense, but do carry on.
First off I do not agree one bit with Westoboro. I live fairly close to those bastards and despise them...having said that...yes. They are being tolerant...they simply do not accept those lifestyles, and by law have the right to make themselves look like idiots. There is a big...HUGE...difference between tolerance and acceptance. True intolerance means you destroy the thing you do not tolerate. You can tolerate a lifestyle or race, creed....whatever....without accepting it.
Unfortantely (at least in the US) the term intolerance and bigotry gets used too much and incorrectly. Tolerance does not mean acceptance. Every human has the right to be comfortable or uncomfortable with another human being. Its nature. Doesn't mean they can be intolerant and do them harm.
In the famous abbreviation of most EVE players... HTFU.
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Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:28:00 -
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Trin Xi wrote:Funny how the best "journalism" on the subject is to be found on Encyclopedia Dramatica. I won't link the page as it has some NSFW pics toward the end of the article.
Also, how about a plea for truth from gamers. Oh... right, that's why we're bigots.
I'll link that for you, my scroll wheel is broken so I have no idea what may or may not be at the bottom of that page.
Though for the record, I don't believe Zoe and Anita are "destroying" the game industry, or that this deserves to be such a scandal for games journalism.
Journalism is biased, corrupted, subjective, influenced by agendas / special interests, and so on and so forth, no matter if it covers games or the sex life of Sri Lanka's river crab. And it will always be as long as there are humans involved, it's part of our nature.
So Zoe having slept with Nathan before him covering her indie "game" in the press, or having slept with one of the judges that gave her "game" an award, of having slept with her boss, and having done this and that, is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Anita's and Zoe's opinions are worthless garbage, they are both attention-seeking manipulative scammers, and the main media sties have smartly re-framed and diverted this whole discussion to be about misogyny (such as this stunt with the plea letter), but on the other hand the #gamergate people are blowing things completely of proportion. It's simply business as usual.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2069
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:31:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.
As the Out of Pod Experience Rules state:
3. Discussions about politics and religion not allowed, there are other websites with forums for these topics. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1518
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Posted - 2014.09.03 22:17:00 -
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Komi Toran wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:"Thousands of developers sign plea for tolerance in gaming community" You know, the most intolerant people on the Internet seem to be those that always preach about tolerance. It's generally because they are confused as to what "tolerance" really is, thinking it means no one ever says a mean thing or gives you the stink eye, and everyone always celebrates whatever you think makes you a special snowflake. This attitude, of course, is incompatible with actual tolerance, which is why the original word must be maimed to conform with IngSoc.
^^
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
640
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Posted - 2014.09.03 22:56:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Ice bucket challenge already over? Man, this attention seekers are fast.
fek off with the ice bucket challenge I have to do the fekkin thing on Saturday for my fekkin 20th wedding anniversary ...im fkkn dreading it in front of all my friends and family ... fkn wankers ! I wish they had turned down all the invites ! bastards !! the fkn lotta them
oh and emo bitches just get the fek off the planet |
jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
640
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Posted - 2014.09.03 23:18:00 -
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btw I hate everybody equally ..and I do ..I even hate the frikken cats in equal measure especially when they shite on the carpet
does this make me an equal opportunities hater?..... I fkn hope so !
don't hate krixxy though ..he comes out with rational arguments and is always up for a decent debate irrespective of his gender ...and that's what I respect in a person ...does throw his toys out the pram on occasion but I think that cool ..
I judge the person ..not the gender ...if I don't like I tell you to fek off ...simples
and you know what ?...I don't give a flying fanyy what you lot think of me .and that how I would always want it !
top tip ...opinions are like arseholes ...every fekker got on |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2378
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Posted - 2014.09.04 00:14:00 -
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Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:I'll link that for you, my scroll wheel is broken so I have no idea what may or may not be at the bottom of that page.
whoa.
the amazing part of all this? 4chan and reddit might actually come out as heroes of all this mess (search for Vivian James on ED) [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2014.09.04 03:57:00 -
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Just came across something interesting relevant to this whole "plea for tolerance" in the gaming community:
Quote:Gaming websites are currently posting articles with titles such as "The End of Gamers" "Gamers are Over" and "The Death of an Identity", painting a picture of a racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, bigoted community that is wailing with despair as it collapses. But the journalists posting these articles don't understand the situation correctly. Gamers don't oppose the SJW agenda because they are bigots; they oppose it because it's annoying.
It's annoying to hear someone tell you that you must be politically correct at all times. It's annoying to hear someone tell developers what kind of content should and should not be allowed in video games. It's annoying to hear someone give a low score to a game because something in it offended them. It's annoying to hear someone complain about the content in a game, when the game was clearly designed for a different target demographic.
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Angelique Duchemin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
848
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Posted - 2014.09.04 04:29:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:I'll link that for you, my scroll wheel is broken so I have no idea what may or may not be at the bottom of that page. whoa. the amazing part of all this? 4chan and reddit might actually come out as heroes of all this mess (search for Vivian James on ED)
The "girl gamer" mascot that the male community of 4chan "created" and then proceed to make **** versions of? The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity. |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2378
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Posted - 2014.09.04 08:19:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Grimpak wrote:Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:I'll link that for you, my scroll wheel is broken so I have no idea what may or may not be at the bottom of that page. whoa. the amazing part of all this? 4chan and reddit might actually come out as heroes of all this mess (search for Vivian James on ED) The "girl gamer" mascot that the male community of 4chan "created" and then proceed to make naked versions of? Well... they not be perfect All you need is someone claiming rule 34. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
398
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Posted - 2014.09.04 21:32:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Lugia3 wrote:When harvesting some poor sap's tears, I don't care what gender or race they consist of. Leave internet spaceships out of your thin skinned ermagurdyouoffendedmeprepareforlawsuit culture. Literally defending bigots.
Um, can you like re-quote or make bold or something the part where he is literally defending bigots? Cuz I'm not seeing it.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
398
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Posted - 2014.09.04 21:43:00 -
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Komi Toran wrote:] You know, the most intolerant people on the Internet seem to be those that always preach about tolerance. It's generally because they are confused as to what "tolerance" really is, thinking it means no one ever says a mean thing or gives you the stink eye, and everyone always celebrates whatever you think makes you a special snowflake. This attitude, of course, is incompatible with actual tolerance, which is why the original word must be maimed to conform with IngSoc.
Also, while preaching "tolerance" they are often just sugar-coating their frightening lust to force everyone to conform to THEIR standards and ethos. The people who scream the most for tolerance are also the people most obsessed with telling the rest of us not only what to do, what to pay for, who to support, they also legislate "thought crimes."
To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
-Thomas Jefferson
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
409
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Posted - 2014.09.04 22:12:00 -
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Quote: Do and say what you like in cyberspace - and try wriggle out of it via GMs/Mods - but in the real world, a lot of this crap is classed as a hate crime.
I don't believe that the State has the right to actually use one's thought's and opinions against them in a criminal trial. The phrase "Hate Crime" is ridiculous and offensive. Do you honestly believe that the State can actually tell you what to think, or who to love? How 'bout who to hate? It's freakin ridiculous. Get your freaking Nanny-State busibodies the f*** out of MY MIND.
As an aside, there are still old laws on the books in several American states than prohibit engaging in oral sex. You think anyone cares that "the law" says they can't do it? You wanna raid every seedy motel room in the country and make sure people are only engaging in "proper" sex? No, even you and yours would find that ridiculous.
Statists always and only respect "the law" when it suits their purposes.
BTW, read 1984. Theyre just a little behind schedule but theyre making up for the lost time with generations of publik skool kids being indoctrinated.
You know who else liked hate crime laws, don't you ?
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Trixie Lawless
Blood Dust Vapor Dark Knights of Eden
17
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Posted - 2014.09.05 14:41:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Removal of my first post proves the point made in said post exactly. It was just some remark on how religions themselves are the most intolerant concepts ever concieved. I guess it was not tolerated to speak negatively of religion in general. Funny how people tolerate people's opinions but can't deal with the fact religion is responsible for a lot of human degradation and suffering.
Maybe it was removed because it was garbage? How about people quit blaming concepts for atrocities and blame the real reason....people and they the decisions they make. Blaming religion for things is like blaming death on guns. The gun doesn't pick a target and fire itself....SOMEONE pulls the trigger.
Plus the post was not even remotely related to the topic. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2099
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:44:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:As an aside, there are still old laws on the books in several American states.... As an aside, this forum is visited and posted on by EvE players from around the globe. Talking about certain topics in general is ok, but gearing it down to one nation only and judging everything that is happening (globally) from that point is not. The reason being: virtually always it leads to discussing (international) politics. And that is prohibited on this forum.
Having said that, I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.
The Rules: 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Neckbeard Nolyfe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.09.06 00:39:00 -
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wrong rule number )) ~lvl 60 paladin~ |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2379
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Posted - 2014.09.06 07:15:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:As an aside, there are still old laws on the books in several American states.... As an aside, this forum is visited and posted on by EvE players from around the globe. Talking about certain topics in general is ok, but gearing it down to one nation only and judging everything that is happening (globally) from that point is not. The reason being: virtually always it leads to discussing (international) politics. And that is prohibited on this forum. Having said that, I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it. The Rules:11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. good man moderator, that be rule 12, not 11. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
885
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Posted - 2014.09.06 15:38:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:As an aside, there are still old laws on the books in several American states.... As an aside, this forum is visited and posted on by EvE players from around the globe. Talking about certain topics in general is ok, but gearing it down to one nation only and judging everything that is happening (globally) from that point is not. The reason being: virtually always it leads to discussing (international) politics. And that is prohibited on this forum. Having said that, I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it. The Rules:11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. good man moderator, that be rule 12, not 11.
Wait, you actually READ the forum rules?
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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