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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.09.06 21:34:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Quote: Your Argument Is Invalid.
You Wanted Proof I Gave You Some Nicely said, yet completely the opposite. Well they were not invalid they jsut weren't really good, were unrelated or didn't hold up to scrutiny. Not gonna make the mistake and say, you didn't have any ... see the difference And in regards to cool game design, let me give you an example: BILLZARDDev1: "Hey, how about this, this is really cool, isn't it?!"Dev2: "Yup, hehe!"Dev1: "You think we can .. ?"Dev2: "Sure"Dev3: "Yeah, it'll be great!"Dev2 : "And how about this, even cooler..!"Dev1: "Yeah, they'll love it.. !"Player Feedback: "Yeah, awesome, gonna be super cool!"Rinse repeat = Epic Fail CCPDev1: "Hey, how about this, this is really cool, isn't it?!"Dev2, 3, 4, ... xx: "[u]Yup, hehe!"[/i] Dev1: "You think we can .. ?"Dev xx-1: "No!"Player Feedback: "No!"Dev1: "Yeah, would have been nice though, .. (so what about... )*xxxx!" Rinse Repeat till something functional and implementable with longevity is found = EVE Online You could argue that blizzard has been far more successful than CCP. They made a LOT more money off WoW than CCP did EVE. They have like 20 times more players than EVE.
Once again "because its cool" strikes back.
Your Argument Is Invalid
You Wanted Proof... I Gave You Some.
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Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.09.06 22:06:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Boom Yes, Headshot, not cleaning up.
Your brain - your mess!
PS: "Shhhhh.... It's a secret, we have a saying here, listen" *whsipers* ".... Got Back To WOW!" Join the BIG Lottery (see Bio ingame), oldest and only non-profit Lottery in EVE, every second Monday. Wire ISK to BIG GAMES for tickets ! Join the Channel, have fun, being a lucky winner is optional ,)
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.09.09 20:10:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Boom Yes, Headshot, not cleaning up. Your brain - your mess! PS: "Shhhhh.... It's a secret, we have a saying here, listen" *whsipers* ".... Got Back To WOW!" I've never played WoW and never will. You haven't provided any alternatives to my post other than just tell me I am wrong. |
SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.09.09 21:38:00 -
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I'm always in favor of seeing new, awesome designs. I understand the balancing nightmare that must cause though.
Something CCP could do, that would be the best of both worlds, is they could introduce all kind of new racial ships of completely new designs, that use pretty much the exact same specs as ships that are already in the game. I wouldn't mind it. |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.09.09 21:53:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:I've never played WoW and never will. You haven't provided any alternatives to my post other than just tell me I am wrong. Because your post was self defeating , you take quantity over quality, fashion over substance and popularity over truth ... ... guess what, about 99.9999999999% people would have sworn the earth was flat once .. by your argumentation, that makes it so.
I am done with this, like I said, talking to the wall is more constructive.
Join the BIG Lottery (see Bio ingame), oldest and only non-profit Lottery in EVE, every second Monday. Wire ISK to BIG GAMES for tickets ! Join the Channel, have fun, being a lucky winner is optional ,)
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:42:00 -
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SFM Hobb3s wrote:I'm always in favor of seeing new, awesome designs. I understand the balancing nightmare that must cause though.
Something CCP could do, that would be the best of both worlds, is they could introduce all kind of new racial ships of completely new designs, that use pretty much the exact same specs as ships that are already in the game. I wouldn't mind it. If CCP isn't capable of balancing stuff they create then this game needs to be shut down now. That is part of being a game "designer" you got to be able to "design" a game to be balanced. If you cant "design" then you have no business making video games much less MMO's. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:00:00 -
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That shows toy know very little about eve. The reason it is hard for them to balance isn't because they are bad devs but because of the amount of freedom they give to players. A game is easy to balance when you make everything cookie cutter and strap players in till the ride comes to a complete stop but when you give them a sandbox with a few toys in it and say "go wild" it becomes a bit harder. |
Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:13:00 -
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I "rushed" (can you call taking 2 months rushing?) into a battleship because I wanted the good rewards from L4's. I then went back and trained more frigate stuff because I find them more fun to fly. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:22:00 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:That shows toy know very little about eve. The reason it is hard for them to balance isn't because they are bad devs but because of the amount of freedom they give to players. A game is easy to balance when you make everything cookie cutter and strap players in till the ride comes to a complete stop but when you give them a sandbox with a few toys in it and say "go wild" it becomes a bit harder. You still haven't said anything other than my points suck. Please give alternatives. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.19 00:33:00 -
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We have given an alternative don't add new classes that aren't needed |
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:30:00 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:We have given an alternative don't add new classes that aren't needed
This.
Just not seeing a t2 dessie not just being a dictor without bubbles. Can do that now. Dreams of some tank/dp bonuses to fill the role....sabre says ooh, i'd like that, I do good now.
Same with t2 BC. A sleipnir without links can be done. Now if people aren't running them, that is player choice. AT saw a few cs cores where only 1 was control points via links.
this a case of ccp can't be adding stuff because players don't run them really. As while you get innovators, often times its follow the lemmings. Especially in larger fleet setups. Don't want to do funky wth comps....if it fails kb looks bad.
Vicious cycle there. don't try funky things as they may fail...and they may/will fail because they because they aren't given time to have sound tactics built around them. Can't make omelets without breaking eggs, basically.
This was why ships tiericided. CCP was trying to get people off the same hashed comps they had for years making less popular ships more appealing to run using in game stuff. Success varies here...as well, lemmings gonna lemming sometimes.
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elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:50:00 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:SFM Hobb3s wrote:I'm always in favor of seeing new, awesome designs. I understand the balancing nightmare that must cause though.
Something CCP could do, that would be the best of both worlds, is they could introduce all kind of new racial ships of completely new designs, that use pretty much the exact same specs as ships that are already in the game. I wouldn't mind it. If CCP isn't capable of balancing stuff they create then this game needs to be shut down now. That is part of being a game "designer" you got to be able to "design" a game to be balanced. If you cant "design" then you have no business making video games much less MMO's.
Isn't puperty a b itch??
I was talking to a few mates on fleetcomms the other day that puperty lasts until age 27/28 with some relapses until age 35+
They were not exactly happy about the facts - the younger ones weren't - while the mates of similar ages all agreed with me and I didn't even have to proove it (the Oxford University did that a while back, for your consideration).
Dear Bridget,
did you in the few months of being here ever follow a ship rebalance thread? The second the devs believe they are at the 'presentation state' of things, we get a sticky to read. Minutes later someone of us will find a flaw they didn't consider.
Let me give you an example of the nightmare of rebalancing things, the general do-it-all-in one hull boat, which were named tech 3.
Naming things aside (cough..) this sooper-dooper-do-it-all ships were added to the game when EVE got a new type of 'gate' - an access point into the unknown.
And what a success they were and still are. No other shipclass managed so good to outclass all existing cruiser and battlecruiser class ships and smaller in one package. What could go wrong?
A new class of ships that could everything that all the tech one and two cruisers could do just a little better than any of them combined. And now even with re-fitting in space to your situation.
To hell with hacs, recons, logistics, command ships, battlecruiser, cruisers and battleships - haz tech3.
If you will these awesome, cool, hip-hop, rap and whatever names the kids come up with ships made all supcapital ships moot.
People only fly them because the proteus doesn't have a sentry drone configuration that makes the Ishtar moot.
These four sooper-dooper-cool ships are a nightmare to balance. The reasons are as many as there are configurations but basically they made everything subcapital into a four boat madness - almost fun.
Well maybe I should have taken the Drake as example but I didn't want to get into a missile discussion - again.
And to cut this short, if you consider a new boat, bare in mind the existing ones.
Why would you want a 40 million destroyer when you can fly a 8 million boat more often?? signature |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.09.19 18:53:00 -
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Removed some off topic posts. Please keep it on topic and civil. Thank you. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Brigadine Ferathine
Dream Warriors
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Posted - 2014.10.02 05:11:00 -
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elitatwo wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:SFM Hobb3s wrote:I'm always in favor of seeing new, awesome designs. I understand the balancing nightmare that must cause though.
Something CCP could do, that would be the best of both worlds, is they could introduce all kind of new racial ships of completely new designs, that use pretty much the exact same specs as ships that are already in the game. I wouldn't mind it. If CCP isn't capable of balancing stuff they create then this game needs to be shut down now. That is part of being a game "designer" you got to be able to "design" a game to be balanced. If you cant "design" then you have no business making video games much less MMO's. Please do not evade the profanity filter. Both it and me don't appreciate it. -ISD Dorrim BarstorlodeI was talking to a few mates on fleetcomms the other day that puperty lasts until age 27/28 with some relapses until age 35+ They were not exactly happy about the facts - the younger ones weren't - while the mates of similar ages all agreed with me and I didn't even have to proove it (the Oxford University did that a while back, for your consideration). Dear Bridget, did you in the few months of being here ever follow a ship rebalance thread? The second the devs believe they are at the 'presentation state' of things, we get a sticky to read. Minutes later someone of us will find a flaw they didn't consider. Let me give you an example of the nightmare of rebalancing things, the general do-it-all-in one hull boat, which were named tech 3. Naming things aside (cough..) this sooper-dooper-do-it-all ships were added to the game when EVE got a new type of 'gate' - an access point into the unknown. And what a success they were and still are. No other shipclass managed so good to outclass all existing cruiser and battlecruiser class ships and smaller in one package. What could go wrong? A new class of ships that could everything that all the tech one and two cruisers could do just a little better than any of them combined. And now even with re-fitting in space to your situation. To hell with hacs, recons, logistics, command ships, battlecruiser, cruisers and battleships - haz tech3. If you will these awesome, cool, hip-hop, rap and whatever names the kids come up with ships made all supcapital ships moot. People only fly them because the proteus doesn't have a sentry drone configuration that makes the Ishtar moot. These four sooper-dooper-cool ships are a nightmare to balance. The reasons are as many as there are configurations but basically they made everything subcapital into a four boat madness - almost fun. Well maybe I should have taken the Drake as example but I didn't want to get into a missile discussion - again. And to cut this short, if you consider a new boat, bare in mind the existing ones. Why would you want a 40 million destroyer when you can fly a 8 million boat more often?? I say give it a chance. Also a good point. I'll fly the 8 mill ship over the 40 mill ship if the 40 mill ship isn't worth it. Lets be honest there is a lot of directions the T2 bonuses could go on said new destroyers. They are probably aside from cruisers the most free and loose ships in the game. Somebody had previously said that Destroyers and Battle Cruisers "bridge the gaps" that implies that there is a gap. I personally don't think the destroyer one is filled as well. |
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