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Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:36:00 -
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So many uninformed people trying to sell characters. http://gemblog.nl/skill/ is pretty close give or take 15% or so. Seeing >20M sp toons on there so 15+B and no offers. Well the reason why is you think you are selling a character made of gold.
I am not sure if it's a few people trying to manipulate character prices or just people are dumb. Either way some of those characters will never sell for what they are asking. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
17085
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:38:00 -
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hell yes gemblog.
WTS 200m SP supercap pilot, 26 B President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
5023
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:40:00 -
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A website giving you a number based on their own calculations isn't what a character is worth. A character is worth whatever someone else is willing to pay for it. |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:44:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:A website giving you a number based on their own calculations isn't what a character is worth. A character is worth whatever someone else is willing to pay for it. Right and go shop the character baz and see how many character are going without offers. "what someone is willing to pay for it" can be applied to anything in this world but it doe not increase the value. Everything has a value and lots of the current post are over valued.
If i buy a 20M sp toon at 16B isk it does not make it worth 16B isk on an open market just makes me an idiot for paying that kind of ISK for that kind of character.
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:50:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:hell yes gemblog.
WTS 200m SP supercap pilot, 26 B Do not know what you put in there but I just checked 6 character sheets between 100M-140M SP and (including my own) and nothing came back at under 30B ISK With one character who was at about 180M sp coming in at 65B give or take the 15% I said that would put it at 75B give or take.
So I wasn't wrong. It is solid guide line. On top of that the site even points you to a real life appraiser. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
17085
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:53:00 -
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I'm agreeing with you, gemblog is all you need to do profitable character trading. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
5025
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Posted - 2014.09.03 03:55:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:A website giving you a number based on their own calculations isn't what a character is worth. A character is worth whatever someone else is willing to pay for it. Right and go shop the character baz and see how many character are going without offers. "what someone is willing to pay for it" can be applied to anything in this world but it doe not increase the value. Everything has a value and lots of the current post are over valued. If i buy a 20M sp toon at 16B isk it does not make it worth 16B isk on an open market just makes me an idiot for paying that kind of ISK for that kind of character. If enough "idiots" are paying 16B for 20M skillpoints, there comes a point where you have to ask yourself, is everyone else the idiot or is there another common factor? |
Experiment 32423
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2014.09.03 04:33:00 -
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Why do you care and how does it affect you if an incorrectly priced character does or doesn't sell? How does it warrant a thread?
Also, there are so many characters in the 20M SP range that have a far, far greater value than many 40-50M SP characters. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
779
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Posted - 2014.09.03 04:38:00 -
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gemblog is a **** character valuation. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.09.03 04:46:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote: If enough "idiots" are paying 16B for 20M skillpoints, there comes a point where you have to ask yourself, is everyone else the idiot or is there another common factor?
Well they are not selling for that price anyways. This is more of an informative post for the people who might be wondering why they are not selling. |
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:26:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:Derrick Miles wrote: If enough "idiots" are paying 16B for 20M skillpoints, there comes a point where you have to ask yourself, is everyone else the idiot or is there another common factor?
Well they are not selling for that price anyways. This is more of an informative post for the people who might be wondering why they are not selling. Suuuure it is, Mr anonymous npc corp alt raging cause he can't find a cheap toon. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
672
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:34:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:So many uninformed people trying to sell characters. http://gemblog.nl/skill/ is pretty close give or take 15% or so. Seeing >20M sp toons on there so 15+B and no offers. Well the reason why is you think you are selling a character made of gold. I am not sure if it's a few people trying to manipulate character prices or just people are dumb. Either way some of those characters will never sell for what they are asking.
- Links to EVE have changed years ago, yet the site still uses the old ones; - Legacy API keys? - The link to a price check service by character named Durantis is for the old forums. The last activity of that character on the new forums was in 2012;
I used it in the past and it was a pretty decent tool, but it certainly looks like it's dead for at least two years. o.0 |
Julius Priscus
325
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:40:00 -
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I been offered 25b for my char.
94+m sp.
imo a properly skilled char is worth its weight in plex's per month old it is plus any skills injected and or implants... I am some 50 months old now. so does that make me 40b isk worth?? not really but I would not say no in a hurry if offered.
my char is well over |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5898
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Posted - 2014.09.03 06:39:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:
That's a great place for low-ballers to link to when trying to grab characters cheap. Other than that, it's inaccurate, way out of date and doesn't come close to reflecting actual character values.
That said. Characters have never been cheaper than lately. There's a run on people dumping alts and if you are thinking that you might ever need a character from the bazaar then now is the time to get one. Most are pretty bad but there are a few gems in there that don't command the premium prices of a well focused specialist character.
This may soon change as it seems that PLEX has come down in price and appears to be stabilizing. People may start hoarding alts again, so buy while they're cheap.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
396
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Posted - 2014.09.03 07:07:00 -
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Damn near everyone in this thread is just trolling the OP for trolling's sake, I suppose. I've been into buying and selling characters for a good little while now, and I can tell you the same thing the OP has said; basically if you have been checking the character bazaar a few times a day, every day, you too would know that the OP is correct. I see countless toons the likes of which I had bought in the last month or two for 3, maybe 3.5B being offered for 8B and up. It's ridiculous, and it's to the point now that some of the would-be sellers don't even respond in their own thread when offers have been made. I guess that's the F-You way of saying "sorry not interested."
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
82
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Posted - 2014.09.03 07:11:00 -
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Amarr Citizen 1312151005 wrote:So many uninformed people trying to sell characters. http://gemblog.nl/skill/ is pretty close give or take 15% or so. Seeing >20M sp toons on there so 15+B and no offers. Well the reason why is you think you are selling a character made of gold. I am not sure if it's a few people trying to manipulate character prices or just people are dumb. Either way some of those characters will never sell for what they are asking.
They may never sell, that's the risk a seller takes. Then they will have to consider a lower price. You could always make them a lower offer.
Manipulating character prices? Don't see why not, enough manipulation goes on in the in-game market.
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TC wabbajack
Unstable Reaction Inc. Takahashi Alliance
10
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Posted - 2014.09.03 07:42:00 -
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character prices are largely plex prices as it equals 1 months training time,the valuation on the web page is based on plex prices from 2 years ago when they were at about 400mill for each plex so the valuations are horribly wrong at todays plex prices. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
310
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Posted - 2014.09.03 07:53:00 -
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Presuming that the character has at least a sensible array of skills (exactly what you want is preferred of course but you rarely find exactly what you want) and up to about 50 million SPs anything less than 2 Plex +1 Plex/1.9million SPs is lowballing. |
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2014.09.03 08:01:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Damn near everyone in this thread is just trolling the OP for trolling's sake, I suppose. I've been into buying and selling characters for a good little while now, and I can tell you the same thing the OP has said; basically if you have been checking the character bazaar a few times a day, every day, you too would know that the OP is correct. I see countless toons the likes of which I had bought in the last month or two for 3, maybe 3.5B being offered for 8B and up. It's ridiculous, and it's to the point now that some of the would-be sellers don't even respond in their own thread when offers have been made. I guess that's the F-You way of saying "sorry not interested."
Pretty much this. I check them 4-5 times a day and go through the first 15-20 pages. I have been buying and reselling for years as well. But everyone in EVE general is an expert lol. |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
203
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Posted - 2014.09.03 08:43:00 -
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Forum alt calls others dumb because he wants to buy cheap characters
Plex prices go up -> character prices go up, its easy as that. Sure everyone wants to make a good bargin when buying but if you want to manipulate others into selling low you shouldn't make it so obvious |
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Anal Canal
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2014.09.03 09:00:00 -
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Shoot... I'll throw in the towel...
WTS Oh like lets say between 1M & 100M SP toon, pristine reputation. Community awareness. Active in player made content....
for... oh...ummm....
SIXTY BILLION DOUBLE DOLLARS! (Or a kidney, blood type AB- assuming that organ trading is kosher with CCP on forums, please I need this kidney.) The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1988
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Posted - 2014.09.03 09:01:00 -
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Divide maximum SP/hour by total SP. You'll know the actual time spent on training. With that number figure out how long the character has been training for. Divide by 30 for how many months the character has been training. Multiply by cost of PLEX. Add cost of books.
That is what the character is REALLY worth.
Example:
This character has ~give or take~ 99,000,000 SP.
Max SP/hour is 2700
99,000,000/2700 = 36666.7 hours trained. Or, 1527 days.
1527.8/30 = 50.9 months.
Cost of PLEX = 775,000,000.00 (Jita price)
50.9 x 775,000,000 = 39,447,500,000 ISK
Then add skills... EVE needs more Pssshhhh |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
204
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Posted - 2014.09.03 09:13:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote: That is what the character is REALLY worth.
In principle yes, but other factors also apply. Like how focused the character is skilled. If you want to sell it as a production char for example, combat skills usually don't add much to its worth and of course the usual supply and demand rules apply too. |
Lady Spank
The Intaki Ladies Deep Space Astrogation Auxiliary
3571
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Posted - 2014.09.03 09:16:00 -
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Who honestly cares? Let them waste their time on overinflated prices. This is what happens when you have an open market full of cretins. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
malcovas Henderson
THoF
234
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Posted - 2014.09.03 09:18:00 -
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Who are you to dictate what others should think on how much their toon is worth. There is a consensus on prices, but that does not mean all have to follow it.
If that Char does not sell, that's their problem. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1988
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Posted - 2014.09.03 09:35:00 -
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote: That is what the character is REALLY worth.
In principle yes, but other factors also apply. Like how focused the character is skilled. If you want to sell it as a production char for example, combat skills usually don't add much to its worth and of course the usual supply and demand rules apply too. Oh I agree!
Characters reputation, "trophy" killmails, space barbie apparel, etc etc...
The math just shows its actual worth with game time put in.
Once seen the first character (character was created just after last wipe of Beta testing.) With no skills trained for a few billion... EVE needs more Pssshhhh |
Victor Andall
739
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Posted - 2014.09.03 10:19:00 -
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That site estimated my character with perfect trading and perfect PI skills AND some Hauling and support skills at 2 billion.
Sold it for 6. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
17188
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Posted - 2014.09.03 10:34:00 -
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Anal Canal wrote:Shoot... I'll throw in the towel...
WTS Oh like lets say between 1M & 100M SP toon, pristine reputation. Community awareness. Active in player made content....
for... oh...ummm....
SIXTY BILLION DOUBLE DOLLARS! (Or a kidney, blood type AB- assuming that organ trading is kosher with CCP on forums, please I need this kidney.) **** i keep forgetting to clarify i'm selling in double dollars
just playing. i've bought characters but haven't sold ****.
never play with your own product (and definitely don't start giving them fancy clothes) President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
210
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Posted - 2014.09.03 10:53:00 -
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And of course, the person asking wayyyyy too much always parrots the same stupid line "No wasted skills"...
Then you look and see many wasted skills... |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2620
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Posted - 2014.09.03 11:08:00 -
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Anal Canal wrote: SIXTY BILLION DOUBLE DOLLARS! (Or a kidney, blood type AB- assuming that organ trading is kosher with CCP on forums, please I need this kidney.)
will pay if and only if they're wanted for the destruction of the city of July, and carry the nickname "The Humanoid Typhoon".
anything else, and no sale. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
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