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Yoshiro Kusanagi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.05 06:00:00 -
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Hi, just converted to subscription on 1/9/14, after 3 days i started playing. Cleared out the newbie quests on the day i switched over and starting mining during my after-work hours.
I have started planning my own skill plan using skills that seems relevant and what I managed to find online. I am using Evemon for it, and I planned my Drone as my main for this character.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/juq9v8g02x06plm/Yoshiro%20Kusanagi%20-%20Drone%20Main%2C%20Mining%20Sub.emp?dl=0
Would be really happy if any of you can give me constructive comments on my skill tree and reasons behind it.
Anyway, my reason for my trading and mining are due to not wanting to rush those security quests after a day's of work, so was thinking of like leaving my miner while i watch something( and keeping note on the ship of course) or just putting some buy orders and doing some station trading.
Of course, if those agent missions are a lot more relaxing, please do recommend me that.
thank you very much. |
Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.09.05 06:17:00 -
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Agent missions aren't too bad, they're all mapped out and documented online, so it's pretty hard to fail one, once you get the hang of it.
I recommend a sort of "pyramid" system when training skills. Start with things that are most useful across many ships, then narrow down. Broadly, I go fitting skills (stuff that gets you PG and CPU), tank, weapons, then finally ship skill itself.
You mentioned mining while watching something else. We call that "AFK mining", and it's advised against. There are naughty people out there in Eve (like me) who fly around looking for inattentive miners. We then blow them up. It's allowed by game rules, even in highsec. Just a heads up.
Any other questions, feel free to ask! We're friendly here, mostly.... Kentucky Derby losers are not turned into Ikea meatballs. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did not accidentally blow up vowels in his own name. The chupacabra does not deliver presents on Cinco De Mayo. Anytime minutes donGÇÖt let you call the future. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.09.05 06:21:00 -
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1 tip about AFK mining.....Don't
Or if you do, calculate ship losses as part of the operation.
Also, EVE is a sandbox...
Mine if you want to mine. Run missions if you want to run missions. Trade if you want to trade. Etc. Etc. Etc.
You are NOT forced to do 'x' or 'y'. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Yoshiro Kusanagi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.05 06:34:00 -
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Thanks for the response.
Regarding AFK mining, does that includes even if you are still looking at the game while doing something else? Because I am pretty much playing at windowed mode when i do that so i dun get myself killed by Serpentine Initiates.
Anyway, i can see that eve online is a sandbox but i was just wondering if my skill plan allows me start out averagely fine. so that is the main point of my thread. |
Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.09.05 07:23:00 -
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Yoshiro Kusanagi wrote:Thanks for the response.
Regarding AFK mining, does that includes even if you are still looking at the game while doing something else? Because I am pretty much playing at windowed mode when i do that so i dun get myself killed by Serpentine Initiates.
Anyway, i can see that eve online is a sandbox but i was just wondering if my skill plan allows me start out fine as I planned to try out pvp or FW or anything during the weekend.
which is the main point of my thread. But if its normal to try out everything yourself, I will just go ahead with my plan and do my trial and error from there myself. Just wanted to see if there is anyone willing to help me decrease the amount of errors i will make. :P
To answer your question...it takes me and a couple friends around 5 seconds to burn down and blow up a T1 mining barge. Maybe 8-9 seconds for a T2. Use that to plan just how much attention to pay to EVE. It's one of the great things about our sandbox, actually...YOU decide just how much risk and such you're willing to take.
Sadly, I couldn't see your skill plan, so I just gave generic advice. You can't go wrong training PG/CPU first, then tank, then guns, then finally specific ships. It gives you ample chance to "change your mind" as it were, should you decide to do something else.
Everyone makes errors in EVE, trust me. It's how you learn the game. Just don't be disheartened, and be willing to ask questions and try new things. Kentucky Derby losers are not turned into Ikea meatballs. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did not accidentally blow up vowels in his own name. The chupacabra does not deliver presents on Cinco De Mayo. Anytime minutes donGÇÖt let you call the future. |
Yoshiro Kusanagi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.05 07:30:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: [Removed quote to prevent hogging the page]
I see. I will just do that. Thanks! But I seem to be putting my emphasis on my drones though :P.
Looks like i have to replan my stuff. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.09.05 07:46:00 -
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No offense.
But why in (insert name of holy persona you believe in)'s name are you mining when you want to PvP / join FW.
If you want to PvP / FW, do that. Don't fall for the I must have 'x' amount of SP/ISK/Ships trap. You will always be behind someone else and thus never find yourself ready, let alone you will likely grow bored of the game quickly if you do something you really dont want to be doing. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Yoshiro Kusanagi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.05 08:09:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:No offense.
But why in (insert name of holy persona you believe in)'s name are you mining when you want to PvP / join FW.
If you want to PvP / FW, do that. Don't fall for the I must have 'x' amount of SP/ISK/Ships trap. You will always be behind someone else and thus never find yourself ready, let alone you will likely grow bored of the game quickly if you do something you really dont want to be doing.
No... Actually maybe I was trapped in there for a while. But now i just wanted to have something to do, rather than just PvP.. Like fishing after having a quest, or maybe just some other things to do than PvP. And though I say PvP, I just wanted to have some combat fights once in a while.
Or at least that was what i am planning to do. Plus I don't think I can really mine to get isk with my current plan though, everything are pretty much in drones and general core skills with some trading and mining to just get something extra out of my leisure routine after work. I don't really intend to play anything that usually takes some time after a tiresome day of work, unless combat events don't take long?
No offence taken anyway, I did think of the same thing as well. |
Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.09.05 08:52:00 -
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Drones are a good all-over skillset to train. Once you start getting up there in ship sizes, drones will be your go-to for nuking frigates, at least in missions. Plus, a well-timed ECM drone flight can save your butt in PVP situations.
If you're looking for things that don't require a huge time expenditure, I'd recommend exploration. Most explo sites don't take THAT long to run, and it's a little more active and better paid than mining.
You seem like you'll fit in pretty well in EVE, as long as you keep a good attitude. I'll fix your ISK concerns for the near future. Go out, experiment, and find something you like doing! Kentucky Derby losers are not turned into Ikea meatballs. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did not accidentally blow up vowels in his own name. The chupacabra does not deliver presents on Cinco De Mayo. Anytime minutes donGÇÖt let you call the future. |
Deck Cadelanne
Exigent Circumstances CAStabouts
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Posted - 2014.09.05 09:08:00 -
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First - welcome!
Good advice so far on this thread.
My approach has been:
1. Decide what I want to do (For me this originally meant drone fit battleships for PVE) 2. Priority 1 = the core skills required (the engineering ones for the most part, which apply to all ship types) 3. Priority 2 = the drone skills required (based on type of drone; again, useful on many different ship types) 4. Priority 3 = the ship-type-specific skills for the ship I want to fly (in my case, Gallente then faction battleships)
For me this obviously resulted in a long skill plan. I also invested in a second account and character, so I can actively fly one character while the other is in a "passive training" mode with implants to speed up the process. That way I am always learning and improving my skills at actually flying without risking expensive implants in PVP.
If you don't want to invest in a second account, just be patient and keep actively flying. That's the best way to learn and you never know, you might discover something you really like doing along the way!
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.05 10:05:00 -
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Hello and welcome to Eve.
I tried to view your link but my computer fu isn't that good.
You say you've completed all of the newbie quests. By that I guess you mean you've completed the mission series offered by all 5 Career Agents. If not then definitely do them. They give you lot's of stuff which helps jump-start you into the game.
After completing all 5 Career Agents, I suggest doing the level 1 Sisters Of Eve Epic Arc - The Blood-Stained Stars. That will give you time to decide which Career you want while making some ISK and training up various skills.
Right at the start training up the Core Fitting Skills is very important. Those allow you to easily fit up your ships as well as help increase your ships attributes.
Core Fitting Skills
Power Grid Management - To maximize powergrid. CPU Management - To maximize CPU. Capacitor Management - To maximize Capacitor. Capacitor Systems Operation - To maximize capacitor recharge rate. Energy Grid Upgrades - To reduce power modules CPU requirements. Electronics Upgrades - To reduce sensors & co-processors CPU requirements. Mechanics - To maximize structure. Hull Upgrades - To maximize armor. Shield Management - To maximize shield. Shield Operation - To maximize shield recharge rate. Shield Upgrades - To reduce shield upgrades powergrid need. Navigation - To increase ship velocity. Acceleration Control - To maximize Afterburner & MWD speed. Afterburner - To reduce Afterburner duration & capacitor need. Fuel Conservation - To reduce Afterburner capacitor need. High Speed Maneuvering - To reduce MWD capacitor need. Evasive Maneuvering - To increase acceleration & agility. Weapon Upgrades - To reduce turrets and launchers CPU need. Advanced Weapon Upgrades - To reduce turrets and launchers powergrid need. Repair Systems - To operate best armor/hull repair modules. Warp Drive Operation - To reduce capacitor need for warp. Spaceship Command - To increase ship agility.
Course there's a lot of other important skills to learn as well, depending on your Career choice.
Good luck to you.
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Yoshiro Kusanagi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.05 10:55:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Hello and welcome to Eve. I tried to view your link but my computer fu isn't that good. You say you've completed all of the newbie quests. By that I guess you mean you've completed the mission series offered by all 5 Career Agents. If not then definitely do them. They give you lot's of stuff which helps jump-start you into the game. After completing all 5 Career Agents, I suggest doing the level 1 Sisters Of Eve Epic Arc - The Blood-Stained Stars. That will give you time to decide which Career you want while making some ISK and training up various skills. Right at the start training up the Core Fitting Skills is very important. Those allow you to easily fit up your ships as well as help increase your ships attributes. Core Fitting Skills Power Grid Management - To maximize powergrid. CPU Management - To maximize CPU. Capacitor Management - To maximize Capacitor. Capacitor Systems Operation - To maximize capacitor recharge rate. Energy Grid Upgrades - To reduce power modules CPU requirements. Electronics Upgrades - To reduce sensors & co-processors CPU requirements. Mechanics - To maximize structure. Hull Upgrades - To maximize armor. Shield Management - To maximize shield. Shield Operation - To maximize shield recharge rate. Shield Upgrades - To reduce shield upgrades powergrid need. Navigation - To increase ship velocity. Acceleration Control - To maximize Afterburner & MWD speed. Afterburner - To reduce Afterburner duration & capacitor need. Fuel Conservation - To reduce Afterburner capacitor need. High Speed Maneuvering - To reduce MWD capacitor need. Evasive Maneuvering - To increase acceleration & agility. Weapon Upgrades - To reduce turrets and launchers CPU need. Advanced Weapon Upgrades - To reduce turrets and launchers powergrid need. Repair Systems - To operate best armor/hull repair modules. Warp Drive Operation - To reduce capacitor need for warp. Spaceship Command - To increase ship agility. Course there's a lot of other important skills to learn as well, depending on your Career choice. Good luck to you. DMC
Thanks for the list. I will take into account all of your suggestions! |
Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:02:00 -
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AFK mining isn't such a horrendous idea, though I suggest you use a tablet or a second monitor so you can keep at least a peripheral eye on the screen. Mining profits are so horribly low that I almost always throw on some Netflix while I mine.
Just stay away from populated areas where gankers will be on the lookout. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5901
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:16:00 -
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First off. Welcome.
I'm going to generalize more than comment on your specific plans and here's why. As a new player you just don't have a clue as to what you will find an enjoyable career to settle in to. There are a massive amount of paths you can take and you have yet to even know what they are, let alone try out more than 1% of them.
The one thing I tell newbies is to not make any decisions until you've tried out some of the many things that the game offers. So many new players start on paths just because they sound cool when they read up on them. They then find out (after spending a lot of skill points) that it's nothing like they thought it would be.
EVE is a sandbox. It's what you make it. But you can't really make anything of it until you have some experience and try out some of the different things it has to offer.
There is no wrong way to play and there is only one golden rule rule: Do what you want, but don't whine when you have to deal with the consequences of your actions.
So, you want to AFK mine? Knock yourself out, but don't get upset when some guy blows you up for no apparent reason. Want to be the guy blowing up mining ships? Have at it, but don't be upset when your security status tanks and you become 'shoot on sight'. Feel like scamming some corp for all it's assets? Go nuts, but be prepared for the likelihood of never being trusted to join another corp.
As above just train up the basics and go forth into the great void and don't be afraid to try stuff out. Don't get caught up in the trap of thinking your ship is anything other than a tool to be used and thrown away. Consider it lost as soon as you undock in it and you'll have much more fun than trying to coddle it.
After six months or so of dipping your toe in the waters of different activities, then think about focusing into a career.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Yoshiro Kusanagi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:44:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote: [Removed due to long message]
I see. I get what you mean. I will just do as I see fit. |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:45:00 -
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Yoshiro Kusanagi wrote:Thanks for the response.
Regarding AFK mining, does that includes even if you are still looking at the game while doing something else? Because I am pretty much playing at windowed mode when i do that so i dun get myself killed by Serpentine Initiates.
Anyway, i can see that eve online is a sandbox but i was just wondering if my skill plan allows me start out fine as I planned to try out pvp or FW or anything during the weekend.
which is the main point of my thread. But if its normal to try out everything yourself, I will just go ahead with my plan and do my trial and error from there myself. Just wanted to see if there is anyone willing to help me decrease the amount of errors i will make. :P
First regarding mining - you cant eliminate the risk of miner ganking but you can render it almost zero. Tank your barge and mine in a less populated system and you will rarely encounter gankers, and if you do you will still have a reasonable chance to survive.
As for the skill plan - unless you are a min/maxer dont worry about getting the perfect plan. Just train towards what you want to do. After you get to a place where you are doing something fun, then train the skills that will help you do that better. Personally, I make plans all the time but I have never kept a single one because my interests change as the months go by. I know this is not optimal but so what, the game is about what is fun to me. Honestly, the only time I can see skill plans being important is where you already have a main toon and you get an alt to run a specific task. Otherwise, just feel your way forward guided by what you like and want to do. I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
Yoshiro Kusanagi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:48:00 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Yoshiro Kusanagi[Removed my own quote LOL wrote: First regarding mining - you cant eliminate the risk of miner ganking but you can render it almost zero. Tank your barge and mine in a less populated system and you will rarely encounter gankers, and if you do you will still have a reasonable chance to survive. As for the skill plan - unless you are a min/maxer dont worry about getting the perfect plan. Just train towards what you want to do. After you get to a place where you are doing something fun, then train the skills that will help you do that better. Personally, I make plans all the time but I have never kept a single one because my interests change as the months go by. I know this is not optimal but so what, the game is about what is fun to me. Honestly, the only time I can see skill plans being important is where you already have a main toon and you get an alt to run a specific task. Otherwise, just feel your way forward guided by what you like and want to do.
Haha.. That's what I have been doing for the whole time. |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:23:00 -
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As others have suggested, try a bit of everything while you are still new and the trains are short. Find out what interests you and work toward it. You may find it's something very different from what you first expected and it's common for your goals to shift over time.
Also, in my opinion, disabuse yourself of the idea that Eve needs to be relaxing. I get the need to chill after a long day of work, but I have also found that some of the funnest moments in game have also been some of the least relaxing ones.
In the wise words of Yoda: Relaxing leads to Repetition, Repetition leads to Grinding, Grinding leads to Boredom... www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
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Yoshiro Kusanagi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:52:00 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:As others have suggested, try a bit of everything while you are still new and the trains are short. Find out what interests you and work toward it. You may find it's something very different from what you first expected and it's common for your goals to shift over time.
Also, in my opinion, disabuse yourself of the idea that Eve needs to be relaxing. I get the need to chill after a long day of work, but I have found that some of the funnest moments in game have also been some of the least relaxing ones.
In the wise words of Yoda: Relaxing leads to Repetition, Repetition leads to Grinding, Grinding leads to Boredom...
Without doubt, the funniest time is when you make an effort to do something.
When i say relaxing, I wasn't talking about making eve a relaxing game, but having something in the game that is relaxing or just plain leisure that i can switch to when i am not in the mode for something exciting. |
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