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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
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Posted - 2014.09.06 22:30:00 -
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Deheler wrote:Cameron Freerunner wrote:The prices are actually coming down since the implosion of blinky and friends. I think it has more to do with the introduction of the new Multiple Pilot Training Certificate. It can be bought in the NES for 3500 AURUM and used for Dual Character training (just as PLEX) A lot of (older) Pilots still have substantial amounts of AURUM lying around from when it was given away as promotion by CCP. Easy way to get 700-750 million.... They started quite a bit lower on the market compared to PLEX, but prices are gradually drifting toward each other. MPTC is going up, PLEX is going down.
Well, no wonder they're drifting together. 3500 AURUM is what you get for a PLEX and the cost of buying 3500 AURUM adds up to a PLEX again. So since both cost exactly the same, as soon as old reserves of AURUM are depleted, both should cost about the same.
Now the funny thing is for me, you can still use PLEX for multiple training, so as soon as both prices line up thanks to supply and demand, there's no reason to buy them anymore since there's no functional difference between using the new certificate and a PLEX for the same thing.
If CCP is smart, they would remove the multiple training function from normal PLEX, to drive up demand for the new item and drive down the demand for PLEX. Or make the price for a training certificate slightly lower then a PLEX.
But hey, just in case I'm planning on occasionally buing an AURUM-token and storing it somewhere. Should give me enough AURUM for a training cert every odd year or so. But realistically, this isn't any different than saving up ISK to do the same thing, it just reduces the temptation to use my ISK for something else instead. |
Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
418
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:16:00 -
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The more they over think the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain. -Scotty- Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8058
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Posted - 2014.09.07 00:09:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Im always somewhere between amused and aggravated every time this topic comes up. Here's the truth: PLEX IS NOT EXPENSIVE. It may cost more than it did when you bought your first one, maybe a lot more, but it's still not "expensive." At an average price right now of 775M isk, you're looking at having to put in a wopping 26M isk per day to pay for your plex. With the exception of the truly new players, 26M isk in a day is chicken scratch for pretty much everyone else. It's not this "omgiskgrind" that people complain about. If a player a few months old cant pick his nose and pull out 26M, I might be a little more worried.
The truth is people blame their lack of responsibility on PLEX prices. They spend isk like their is no tommorow, time to sub comes up and suddenly they need to 'grind' for a plex and it's 'OMG 775 mil, I can't do that in one night, the PLEX is too damn high'.
Just goes to show that EVE is real, because 20 years ago I (as a college student) did the same thing, only it was RENT not PLEX.
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1309
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Posted - 2014.09.07 00:16:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Im always somewhere between amused and aggravated every time this topic comes up. Here's the truth: PLEX IS NOT EXPENSIVE. It may cost more than it did when you bought your first one, maybe a lot more, but it's still not "expensive." At an average price right now of 775M isk, you're looking at having to put in a wopping 26M isk per day to pay for your plex. With the exception of the truly new players, 26M isk in a day is chicken scratch for pretty much everyone else. It's not this "omgiskgrind" that people complain about. If a player a few months old cant pick his nose and pull out 26M, I might be a little more worried.
The truth is people blame their lack of responsibility on PLEX prices. They spend isk like their is no tommorow, time to sub comes up and suddenly they need to 'grind' for a plex and it's 'OMG 775 mil, I can't do that in one night, the PLEX is too damn high'. Just goes to show that EVE is real, because 20 years ago I (as a college student) did the same thing, only it was RENT not PLEX. How did you make enough rent money in that last night? |
Anna Shepart
Garbage and Filth Removal Associates
1
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Posted - 2014.09.07 00:21:00 -
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Rowells wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Im always somewhere between amused and aggravated every time this topic comes up. Here's the truth: PLEX IS NOT EXPENSIVE. It may cost more than it did when you bought your first one, maybe a lot more, but it's still not "expensive." At an average price right now of 775M isk, you're looking at having to put in a wopping 26M isk per day to pay for your plex. With the exception of the truly new players, 26M isk in a day is chicken scratch for pretty much everyone else. It's not this "omgiskgrind" that people complain about. If a player a few months old cant pick his nose and pull out 26M, I might be a little more worried.
The truth is people blame their lack of responsibility on PLEX prices. They spend isk like their is no tommorow, time to sub comes up and suddenly they need to 'grind' for a plex and it's 'OMG 775 mil, I can't do that in one night, the PLEX is too damn high'. Just goes to show that EVE is real, because 20 years ago I (as a college student) did the same thing, only it was RENT not PLEX. How did you make enough rent money in that last night?
Hahaha, some very strange pictures are coming to my mind.... Eve is dying.......... -ábecause WE players are too stupid to create content, and instead cry for-á "Mama" CCP to help !!!
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Azar Heruka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.09.07 01:21:00 -
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Ray Zyrus wrote:Can anyone explain to me how or why the PLEX prices get so rediculous?
they started out at 430 million isk and now they are almost at 800 million. it gets pretty tough for me to pay the account nowadays.
so i know that there sights that are called plexes but aside from that i have no further knowledge about where they are come from. I just buy them in the market and redeem them.
but if the trend of the rising prices continues i might need to get into these sights to earn a living.
definitely not gonna pay my account with real cash....
Prices fluctuate. Remember the price now when the bubble pops and everyone is moaning that the "PLEX price is doomed, DOOMED!, FOREVER!!!"
Then buy a ton on the cheap and wait until the price is at, "THE PRICE WILL NEVER STOP RISING I CAN'T AFFORD PLEX ERMAGERD!', and then sell.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4531
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Posted - 2014.09.07 01:28:00 -
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Yeah, someone is definitely buying PLEX at the price they're at now, or I wouldn't be making any isk. Instead, I'm making a fair bundle on almost a daily basis. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Kaiia Gavlas Thessia
Ravens' Nest Overload Everything
49
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Posted - 2014.09.07 01:48:00 -
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just get a job and use irl money for the account. OUTLAW HORIZON IS NOW KILL. RIP IN PIECE #dreadbomb2014 |
Creamdream
Unlimited Potential
4
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Posted - 2014.09.07 01:58:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ray Zyrus wrote:Can anyone explain to me how or why the PLEX prices get so rediculous?
Supply and demand.
Stupid post.
You're dumb and you'll never realize it. |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
5855
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Posted - 2014.09.07 02:11:00 -
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Creamdream wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ray Zyrus wrote:Can anyone explain to me how or why the PLEX prices get so rediculous?
Supply and demand. Stupid post. You're dumb and you'll never realize it. You might not realize it, but it's dumb to draw a conclusion about someone from three words. |
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4531
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Posted - 2014.09.07 02:14:00 -
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Creamdream wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ray Zyrus wrote:Can anyone explain to me how or why the PLEX prices get so rediculous?
Supply and demand. Stupid post. You're dumb and you'll never realize it.
The sad irony is that the funny irony is probably not lost on anyone but you. TWO IRONIES IN ONE!!! GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
21
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Posted - 2014.09.07 02:36:00 -
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I think a lot of the PLEX inflation is due to mass mining (easy to do afk). This is flooding the Eve economy with cheap raw materials, and making real money relatively less valuable - hence the increased price of plex. |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2014.09.07 02:39:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:It's sad to think of what they're doing to themselves, these online demi-deities of the stars, slaving away like common Minmatars.... Hey! Do not belittle the common Minmatar ways!!! "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
Dave Stark
6840
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Posted - 2014.09.07 09:42:00 -
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Rowells wrote:How did you make enough rent money in that last night? where do you think the term "rent boy" came from? |
Will Strafe
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.09.07 15:02:00 -
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Ray Zyrus wrote:Can anyone explain to me how or why the PLEX prices get so rediculous?
they started out at 430 million isk and now they are almost at 800 million. it gets pretty tough for me to pay the account nowadays.
so i know that there sights that are called plexes but aside from that i have no further knowledge about where they are come from. I just buy them in the market and redeem them.
but if the trend of the rising prices continues i might need to get into these sights to earn a living.
definitely not gonna pay my account with real cash....
You're giving the answer yourself. When you absolutely refuse to, you are throwing away your only bargaining chip. The sellers are making money of the misers. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24486
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Posted - 2014.09.07 16:05:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:I think a lot of the PLEX inflation is due to mass mining (easy to do afk). This is flooding the Eve economy with cheap raw materials, and making real money relatively less valuable - hence the increased price of plex. Uhm. Yeah, no. That would, if anything, have the exact opposite effect. But then, mining has no effect on the money supply to begin with so its ability affect a non-manunfactured good whose price is only determined by its own supply and demand and on the money supply is pretty much zero. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Samuel Wess
Stain Police Happy Cartel
64
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Posted - 2014.09.07 16:05:00 -
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There is too much isk and easy isk with no risk in the game, I see a lot of pilots investing it in PLEX and stacking hundreds of them. Walk into the club like "What up? I got a big cockpit!" |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
21
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Posted - 2014.09.07 19:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:I think a lot of the PLEX inflation is due to mass mining (easy to do afk). This is flooding the Eve economy with cheap raw materials, and making real money relatively less valuable - hence the increased price of plex. Uhm. Yeah, no. That would, if anything, have the exact opposite effect. But then, mining has no effect on the money supply to begin with so its ability affect a non-manunfactured good whose price is only determined by its own supply and demand and on the money supply is pretty much zero.
Wrong. Isk is just a gateway currency. All it does is reflect the relative exchange rate between eve stuff and real life money. Imagine if it was twice as easy and quick to make ships, we would expect that a PLEX would then get you twice as man ships. What we see is plex increasing in isk price, and basically everything else decreasing in isk price. That suggests that Eve stuff is becoming more plentiful and cheap to obtain. Most plausible culprit - mining. |
Vyl Vit
742
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Posted - 2014.09.07 23:42:00 -
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I consulted a Phd in economics about the PLEX pricing issue with regard to macro economics specifically. What he told me would shock even the most stalwart EVE player (even a Goonwaffle!)
(to be continued) Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Solette Cheli
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.09.08 02:43:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Tippia wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:I think a lot of the PLEX inflation is due to mass mining (easy to do afk). This is flooding the Eve economy with cheap raw materials, and making real money relatively less valuable - hence the increased price of plex. Uhm. Yeah, no. That would, if anything, have the exact opposite effect. But then, mining has no effect on the money supply to begin with so its ability affect a non-manunfactured good whose price is only determined by its own supply and demand and on the money supply is pretty much zero. Wrong. Isk is just a gateway currency. All it does is reflect the relative exchange rate between eve stuff and real life money. Imagine if it was twice as easy and quick to make ships, we would expect that a PLEX would then get you twice as many ships. What we see is plex increasing in isk price, and basically everything else decreasing in isk price. That suggests that Eve stuff is becoming more plentiful and cheap to obtain. Most plausible culprit - mining. Edit - just ask yourself what would happen if Eve was really flooded with isk faucets? Logically all ships equipment, etc...would inflate in price. Instead we see the opposite effect, where deflation is the main phenomenon. This shows that the problem isn't too much isk - the problem is that it is too easy to make ships, mods, etc.... It is flooded with ISK faucets. I agree that production is easy, and with all the people mining and not enough blowing ships up, it works with the amount of isk made by the isk faucets and the balance of minerals:thingsblownup isn't close enough, so there is plenty of excess things on the market, causing lower prices for stuff. This also affects plex prices, because the people making billions daily don't need to spend as much paying for their ships, so they're willing to spend more and more on PLEX, because they have the excess ISK. Source: shower thoughts. |
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
21
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Posted - 2014.09.08 02:51:00 -
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Solette Cheli wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Tippia wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:I think a lot of the PLEX inflation is due to mass mining (easy to do afk). This is flooding the Eve economy with cheap raw materials, and making real money relatively less valuable - hence the increased price of plex. Uhm. Yeah, no. That would, if anything, have the exact opposite effect. But then, mining has no effect on the money supply to begin with so its ability affect a non-manunfactured good whose price is only determined by its own supply and demand and on the money supply is pretty much zero. Wrong. Isk is just a gateway currency. All it does is reflect the relative exchange rate between eve stuff and real life money. Imagine if it was twice as easy and quick to make ships, we would expect that a PLEX would then get you twice as many ships. What we see is plex increasing in isk price, and basically everything else decreasing in isk price. That suggests that Eve stuff is becoming more plentiful and cheap to obtain. Most plausible culprit - mining. Edit - just ask yourself what would happen if Eve was really flooded with isk faucets? Logically all ships equipment, etc...would inflate in price. Instead we see the opposite effect, where deflation is the main phenomenon. This shows that the problem isn't too much isk - the problem is that it is too easy to make ships, mods, etc.... It is flooded with ISK faucets. I agree that production is easy, and with all the people mining and not enough blowing ships up, it works with the amount of isk made by the isk faucets and the balance of minerals:thingsblownup isn't close enough, so there is plenty of excess things on the market, causing lower prices for stuff. This also affects plex prices, because the people making billions daily don't need to spend as much paying for their ships, so they're willing to spend more and more on PLEX, because they have the excess ISK. Source: shower thoughts.
It's actually pretty simple...the rate of inflation will be (taking g as the growth rate), inflation % = g(isk) - g(stuff)
So the only way to have generalized deflation (which we have) is if the growth rate of stuff exceeds the growth rate of isk. This means that the problem is not isk faucets, the problem is too much mining, and suggests that the solution is a major nerf to mining. |
Solette Cheli
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.09.08 03:03:00 -
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erg cz
Sliperer
109
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Posted - 2014.09.08 07:30:00 -
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During last week the price of the PLEX in Dodixie has gone from 800 to 760 milions. But what is really interesting, is that volume of sold items has jumped from stable 3,8 milion to stable 2,8 milion. And stay like this. From my point of view it is clear, that such behavior is not entirely "supply and demand" thing. Someone speculates on PLEX very intensively. |
Tycho VI
Nanashi no Geemu FOX.HOUND
3
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Posted - 2014.09.08 07:55:00 -
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When plex was 400 mil, what was the price of trit back then?
Does trit inflate on the same scale as plex? they should be somewhat related |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1526
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Posted - 2014.09.08 07:59:00 -
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erg cz wrote:During last week the price of the PLEX in Dodixie has gone from 800 to 760 milions. But what is really interesting, is that volume of sold items has jumped from stable 3,8 milion to stable 2,8 milion. And stay like this. From my point of view it is clear, that such behavior is not entirely "supply and demand" thing. Someone speculates on PLEX very intensively. CCP told us during Fanfest that Plex normally go through several people before actually being used, so the majority of the sales of PLEX are to speculators, not actual users. We already knew this. |
Allko
Zero Tax services
7
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:53:00 -
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Want to get to fanfest... .buy tickets for PLEX Whant to get to Wegas.. buy tickets for PLEX Wnat to help to save the whales :D ... donate with PLEX etc etc etc...
ok, ok, it may not be just that but come on ... it`s not helping either.
IMO for some time it`s more fun to just pay for acc using cc. and by fun I ment playing the game not farming ISK 29 of 30 days like crazy and then do it all over again.
I could only hope CCP will lower the price to 10.-EUR/30days
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4567
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:56:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Pretentious blather.
Literally nobody likes you, why haven't you biomassed yet? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6903
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:57:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Pretentious blather. Literally nobody likes you, why haven't you biomassed yet?
Is this a different thread or the same one, they all look the same to me "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4567
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Posted - 2014.09.08 10:59:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Pretentious blather. Literally nobody likes you, why haven't you biomassed yet? Is this a different thread or the same one, they all look the same to me
Pretty sure there's some crossover going on. Sometimes, I post on a thread that turns out to be not the thread I thought it was, because it has all the same things being said, but because nothing I post lately is relevant to anything except my own whimsical amusement, it doesn't really matter much. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4568
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Posted - 2014.09.08 11:10:00 -
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Speaking of whimsy, something strange happened today. I got asked out by a female. I know right? I was stunned my own self, I wasn't even trying to impress her or anything. Anyway, she's a checkout girl at my local supermarket which I visit every day at 5pm sharp, because I'm anal about routine. Sometimes she's on, sometimes she's not, but I always enjoy when she's on because she's the only one who'll spark up a legitimately sincere conversation with me and show interest. I always just thought she was naturally happy. Turns out I was right, but only half right, she's totally into me.
So I'm supposed to go with her to some comedy club open mike night next weekend because she found out that, despite my occasional rash mood, I want to give standup a try one day (hence my forum posting of late). We're gonna have dinner and she said that, the mike is open, all I gotta do is jump on it when no one else is and give it a go if I'm up for it.
Now, I face a dilemma, because I'm a cowardly fool when it comes to stages. I used to sing a lot of karaoke but that was a long time ago and things have changed. A few weeks ago, I found myself having to address more than two people at the same time in an editing conference and broke out in boils, and that was just a conference call...
Might have just been the curry I'd had for lunch though, can't be certain.
Anyway, I have zero prepared material as well and I can improv, but the problem is the stage, imma be too nervous for improv. I've never done standup in front of a crowd I don't know, just friends who I encourage to boo me on purpose to prepare me for the worst (actually, secretly, it's so they don't feel ashamed to boo me for real when I do bad).
So, I probably won't be getting on the mike but, the club has at least two regulars and will host various international comedy stars from time to time so at the very least, it'll be an enjoyable night. Pretty sure she's gonna think I'm a ***** by the end of it though, and while that may be a dilemma if I wanna go further with her, I'm also not entirely sure that I do, I'm a pretty withdrawn human being most of the time. If I'm out of my house for more than five minutes, I start to feel quite agoraphobic, even if no one is around. It gets worse if there are cats though, and there are ALWAYS cats.
And that's my silly irrelevant Day in the Life of Remiel Pollard story for this evening. Now, back to regular posting...
Suck it, Veers. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
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