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Suli Arkaral
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:32:00 -
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Yes I know there's dozens of threads out there that make fun of or support the CODE... This is not either.
All I'm asking is does CODE honor their permits? If you're answer is no then please post the kill mail showing where they didn't.
An answer of yes really doesn't require proof because I'm not sure there is a way to prove you didn't get attacked.
I'm thinking of getting a CODE permit but would like to know how much safety does it really offer... |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
1198
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:34:00 -
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They honor them IF you follow the CODE. YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Paranoid Loyd
1726
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:35:00 -
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They do, unless you do something to get it revoked.
Thing is if you are not doing anything to get it revoked in the first place, then you don't really need it. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
349
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:37:00 -
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I have never ganked a Permit holder who was following the Code. My buddy did once, and we bought the guy a new retriever. (He actually saw us coming on D-Scan, but it was too late, we were right on top of him.) Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4184
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:01:00 -
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Yes and no, mainly no. They do sort of honour them but they also make their rules convoluted and impossible to gauge, so they can just say "You look like you are violating! Permit revoked!" just so they can score a kill.
As for proof, there's no real way to provide a killmail that shows that someone wasn't violating an arbitrary set of rules prior to death.
Of course you know all this, obvious code alt. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Suli Arkaral
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:46:00 -
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Okay kind of what I expected. A few generic answers with a troll thrown in for flavor.
So far no proof that CODE would gank me with a permit. The thread is still new so there is time for more replies so I'm going to wait before spending the 10 mil. I'm not worried about the 10 mil but rather should I dock if CODE is in system or would I be safe to mine?
If anyone has killmails or even screenshots of CODE convo where they ganked someone with a permit please link them. I'm sure other miners must ask this same question too. |
Paranoid Loyd
1728
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:51:00 -
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Your line of thought would be sound if CODE were the only gankers in the game, they are not. You have just as much chance of being ganked by someone not affiliated with CODE. Therefore you should be doing things that help you to not get ganked, if you are doing those things, then you do not need a permit. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
351
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:52:00 -
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Suli Arkaral wrote:Okay kind of what I expected. A few generic answers with a troll thrown in for flavor.
So far no proof that CODE would gank me with a permit. The thread is still new so there is time for more replies so I'm going to wait before spending the 10 mil. I'm not worried about the 10 mil but rather should I dock if CODE is in system or would I be safe to mine?
If anyone has killmails or even screenshots of CODE convo where they ganked someone with a permit please link them. I'm sure other miners must ask this same question too.
With a permit you do not have to dock the moment Code is in system, that being said you should still be vigilant, watch D-Scan and watch for obvious warp-in alts. Local Agents may test you to see if you are actually following the Code. If you pass the test, send them a gf and a wave in local. If you fail the test, learn your lesson and send them a gf in local. If you are violating the Code as a permit holder you are still subject to ganking, if you are a permit holder though, agents will usually put a little less effort into the gank which gives you a better chance of escaping unscathed. If you have no permit, they'll gank you. And you won't be able to avoid it. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1261
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Posted - 2014.09.05 18:59:00 -
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I have just decided to roll up a gank alt in support of CODE.
I credit this thread with tipping the scales. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
141
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Posted - 2014.09.05 19:37:00 -
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I haven't mined since 2006. I still keep my permits up to date. Never had a problem with a CODE. Signature Removal in Progress, Estimated time of completion? Neva |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4668
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Posted - 2014.09.05 19:49:00 -
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StonerPhReaK wrote:I haven't mined since 2006. I still keep my permits up to date. Never had a problem with a CODE. Hahaha....Wait what!? =][= |
Vagrant Balzary
Athena's Legion
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:57:00 -
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Oh god please don't buy into this whole permit thing.
If you're going to bore yourself to tears mining, why pay someone for that privilege? Why not just do your due diligence and watch local for anyone who looks a little slow and either avoid them or attack? |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1493
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:27:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:StonerPhReaK wrote:I haven't mined since 2006. I still keep my permits up to date. Never had a problem with a CODE. Hahaha....Wait what!? I guess he's targetting the competition, any competition, indirectly. |
Froggy Storm
Paragon Trust The Bastion
292
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:39:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:I have just decided to roll up a gank alt in support of CODE.
I credit this thread with tipping the scales.
I've also been considering a gank alt just to join in with the fun. Strictly as an aspect of Eve I've yet to focus on. |
Paranoid Loyd
1729
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:48:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Strictly as an aspect of Eve I've yet to focus on.
Fun? "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
1070
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:18:00 -
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Don't to forget to post your tribute to James315 in your bio. Thats kind of important - as it greatly assists your would-be ganker in not blowing you up.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Ketchup Advisory Board
1001
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Posted - 2014.09.05 23:15:00 -
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Suli Arkaral wrote:Okay kind of what I expected. A few generic answers with a troll thrown in for flavor.
So far no proof that CODE would gank me with a permit. The thread is still new so there is time for more replies so I'm going to wait before spending the 10 mil. I'm not worried about the 10 mil but rather should I dock if CODE is in system or would I be safe to mine?
If anyone has killmails or even screenshots of CODE convo where they ganked someone with a permit please link them. I'm sure other miners must ask this same question too. There are many instances where permit holders have been ganked by New Order agents. In almost every one of these cases the gankee was violating the code, usually by being afk and not responding to agents in local. In fact we had just one such instance last night in which we are considering revoking a corporation permit because of gross negligence in following the code on the part of its members. That said, revoking permits is (fortunately) very rare, and I've only had to revoke three of the many permits I have sold (all three of those were to the same person).
Of course there have been a few mistakes over the past two years, but these have been handled with ship refunds. DJ Entropy is especially courteous when it comes to these sorts of customer service issues, and if you have any issues, you can either contact either of us to handle a refund.
Leto Thule wrote:I have just decided to roll up a gank alt in support of CODE.
I credit this thread with tipping the scales. Awesome! New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1700
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Posted - 2014.09.06 00:19:00 -
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New Order agent. Never ganked a permit holder who was at their keyboard and being polite.
Did find someone who had a fake permit in their bio... me and some friends blew up their entire mining fleet, some 3 billion ISK worth +. Epic Space Cat |
Amyclas Amatin
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
320
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Posted - 2014.09.06 00:45:00 -
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It's all about catch 22.
If it's gankable, it isn't CODE compliant. But we have been known to reimburse loyal subjects. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3542
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:29:00 -
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As a CODE. supporter, I have only ever twice shot permit holders.
Once was a prearranged failed gank so that we'd have kill rights on each other. That scam paid off very well.
The second was when an Agent started annoying the rest of us in a loaded POS bash, so we shot him :) Didn't want his DPS anyway. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366607 - Gank incursion runners, win prizes! August 26-Sept 30. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
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Jake Entar
New Order Logistics CODE.
8
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Posted - 2014.09.06 01:39:00 -
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CODE. only enforces law when a player with a mining permit is breaking a law.
Feel safe flying with a mining permit! Just follow the simple rules and you are good to go |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
963
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Posted - 2014.09.06 05:27:00 -
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As a known supporter of the New Order of High-Sec and diplomat for the CODE alliance, allow me to provide some clarity.
Here is the most simple, less "wordy" and not subject to "tl;dr" syndrome I can provide:
Do you have a proper permit sold to you by a agent of the New Order, and is that permit proudly displayed in your characters bio? If so, you get every benefit of the doubt. If there is a single target in the system that is not you, my fleet will target them first. I assume you are following the CODE - letter for letter.
Failing that - I might say hello to you in local and give you a o/ and a :) - do you respond? I understand it might take some time. No response for 10 seconds? No worries! 30 seconds? Maybe you don't type that fast! 60 seconds? I'm starting to worry about you, but I will still do nothing. 90 seconds? You are probably AFK? 120 seconds? A fleet is in warp to destroy you.
It's simple. Purchase a permit, display that permit and support for the savior of highsec, the holy James 315 in that bio, and don't AFK in space.
Now, let's talk about the top 3 things that people get confused about, and try to clear them up.
#1) "You shot me, and I never got any warning!" - Yes, but you did not have a proper mining permit displayed in your bio. No permit = none of the rules apply to you. You are a free target, and I don't give you a friendly "warning". After you explode, however, I will give you a friendly mail that will show you how to purchase a permit.
#2) "You shot me, but I have a permit!" - Yes, but you did not respond to multiple chances to show you were at the keyboard - OR - you did not even bother to display the permit in your bio. If you can't watch local or show your support in your bio, you might as well not even hold a permit.
#3) "You shot me, but I have a permit and support for James 315 in my bio AND responded to your conversation!" - Never heard this one. Ever. If anyone can ever provide a CREST verified killmail that lines up with un-edited chat logs verified by multiple sources that prove this wild theory - I will replace the value of your ship and/or escape pod. The "Anti-Gankers" will try to tell you we target our beloved permit holders all the time - I will not even dignify their wild conspiracy theories by trying to deny it, I just ask you, citizen of EVE - ask them for proof. Proof beyond reasonable doubt. They will fail. Every. Single. Time. Use your own mind, talk to us, talk to others, figure it out for yourself.
I hope this clears up any confusion you may have about the need to display a proper permit while operating in New Order sov space (also known as "high-sec") and if I can offer you any more help, please feel free to contact me via Eve-Mail or in game convo. The New Order diplomacy department is always open and ready to assist you. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4190
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Posted - 2014.09.06 09:13:00 -
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Suli Arkaral wrote:Okay kind of what I expected. A few generic answers with a troll thrown in for flavor.
So far no proof that CODE would gank me with a permit. The thread is still new so there is time for more replies so I'm going to wait before spending the 10 mil. I'm not worried about the 10 mil but rather should I dock if CODE is in system or would I be safe to mine?
If anyone has killmails or even screenshots of CODE convo where they ganked someone with a permit please link them. I'm sure other miners must ask this same question too. lol, try harder. These threads full of code members patting themselves on the back are just a desperate cry for relevance as your rep is dwindling. And the end of the day CODE are just gankers and scammers. They demand isk to be protected from ganking, yet as has been pointed out in this very thread "If it's gankable, it isn't CODE compliant.", meaning that paying for a permit is irrelevant.
A permit serves no purpose other than convincing noobs and idiots that it's a legitimate business so you'll pay for their catalysts. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Solette Cheli
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.09.06 09:34:00 -
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This is my New Order Agent alt and I have a question.. How can I identify people with a fake permit? It seems rather simple for anyone to simply add a line with the permit and another supporting James 315, even if they haven't bought a permit. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
215
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Posted - 2014.09.06 12:01:00 -
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Solette Cheli wrote:This is my New Order Agent alt and I have a question.. How can I identify people with a fake permit? It seems rather simple for anyone to simply add a line with the permit and another supporting James 315, even if they haven't bought a permit. Hello Solette. A proper mining permit has the name of the Agent who sold it linked. You can simply ask that Agent or write a mail to him to verify the validity of the mining permit. I admit this may take some time. If the subject with the permit in question does not violate the Code in any other way I will always give them the benefit of the doubt and let them mine until I get the response from the Agent. the Code ALWAYS wins |
Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
7
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Posted - 2014.09.06 12:29:00 -
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Heres something for the OP to ponder over while he makes his decision. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3350702#post3350702 True colors tend to shine through as they say.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2014.09.06 17:47:00 -
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No they do not. The honor no commitment ever.
They also had commitet to come to the AT. They didn't honor that either. So if they don't honor commitments with CCP, why should they honor their "permits"? Forum Main |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
417
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Posted - 2014.09.06 18:55:00 -
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The Boss and I have a "daughter company" that mines. We get each new member Code-compliant as soon as they join the corp. Our Orca booster and haulers are all Code-compliant as well. We've never had any trouble when Code comes into a system our miners are using. They tell me, however, that it's a right good laugh when Code shows up during an ice spawn and everybody else runs, docks, and boo-hoo's in local while our guys get all the ice to themselves.
Admittedly, none of us really get into the whole roleplaying thing Code does, bet let them have their fun,. I say. Besides, Code is good for the economy. They combat bot-mining, and they blow stuff up, removing materials from the game that have to be replaced.
Som ppl act like theyre being ripped off by Code. Love em or hate em, a lousy 10M isk is worth preventing the headaches and downtime, is it not?
So, remember next time you have to drop what youre doing and go sit in station for God knows how long, that you couldda paid a whoppin 10M isk to not have to worry about that ever again.
There's stubborn, and then there's stupid. Just sayin'
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Ketchup Advisory Board
1003
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Posted - 2014.09.06 23:29:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Solette Cheli wrote:This is my New Order Agent alt and I have a question.. How can I identify people with a fake permit? It seems rather simple for anyone to simply add a line with the permit and another supporting James 315, even if they haven't bought a permit. Hello Solette. A proper mining permit has the name of the Agent who sold it linked. You can simply ask that Agent or write a mail to him to verify the validity of the mining permit. I admit this may take some time. If the subject with the permit in question does not violate the Code in any other way I will always give them the benefit of the doubt and let them mine until I get the response from the Agent. As of January 1st 2014 every permit sold should have the agent's name in it for contacting about its status. If a pilot has a permit without this, request the name of the agent that they purchased it from. If they can't supply the name, or the agent can't verify the permit, consider the permit invalid. At this point I usually offer them the chance to purchase a new permit before ganking them, assuming they are compliant with the other provisions in the Code.
Keep in mind that the New Order is fairly decentralized, and the updated permit template was an invention of the (now defunct) corp New Order Death Dealers. As such some agents won't know to include this in the template. Should you encounter anyone who is not doing so, ask them to contact anyone who has purchased a permit from them to have the template updated. You can contact me in game if you need an updated template. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3546
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Posted - 2014.09.07 02:44:00 -
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Solette Cheli wrote:This is my New Order Agent alt and I have a question.. How can I identify people with a fake permit? It seems rather simple for anyone to simply add a line with the permit and another supporting James 315, even if they haven't bought a permit.
Ask DJ O if you suspect a fake permit, he has the list.
I generally give them the benefit of the doubt as I'm far too lazy to check. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366607 - Gank incursion runners, win prizes! August 26-Sept 30. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
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