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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:15:00 -
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Sorry isd, I wrote this huge post in another thread and you locked it before I could post it, so I want to say this, lock if you must, but had to post this none the less
Ok, I am sick and tired of people using eve-offline to somehow prove that subs are down.
Its VERY simple.
eve-offline, and to invoke him to this thread, correct me if I am wrong oh eve god Chribba, just shows the average users online in a day. It pretty much takes eve's low point and its high point, and find the number in the middle. This mearly shows, that yes, less people are playing eve for a long period of time. This doesn't show loss of accounts.
If you look at the 1/2 year statement, ccp is down roughly 2.2k accounts, if you don't try to figure out how much was made form dust and other non eve subs. Though I think my math was wrong and they have 2m less this 6 months, which actually translates to about 22k accounts. 500k-22k is not a lot. And that's a rough estimate. You also have to take into account that dust launched in the last month of that time frame so could of pumped in a few mill in rev. So we really have no idea how many accounts are actually gone, but 22k is not a huge number.
But back on topic, so eve-offline shows time spent. I'll use me as a comparison. I have been here since the close of Earth And Beyond in 2004. I started in eve 4/1/2004 officially (unofficially in march) I have 3 accounts, with a 4th that I sometimes pay for. When I started I was not married (had a live in gf now my wife) had no children (now have a 3 year old) and an unstable time wise job + school (now an 8-5) I played eve roughly 5-8 hours a day, depending on the day, 7 days a week. For 3 accounts.
I suffered a big break form eve in 2011 when my son was born, and played 0 hours a day to maybe 1 hour a day for a year. Yet I still had all 3 accounts subbed. I would log in, set a long skill check mail, and log out.
So the eve-offline could would of been lower, but the sub numbers would not have been.
Eve is an old game, some have been playing for years, and get caught up with irl from time to time, but don't unsub. The biggest issue, is that if you get bored, are in the blue doughnut and nothing si going on, you may not log in as much, or with as many as you used to. Also with some changes less alts are needed for certin task. All these leads to lower avg player numbers, but doesn't correlate to sub numbers.
"But Uncle Reaper, CCP anouced the sub numbers for every year but this one! Eve is dying!"
No. What launched last year that was not launched before.. hmm let me think about that... hmmm.... oh right Dust.
CCP not saying sub numbers can be read a few ways:
1) EVE is down A LOT of subscribers (math doesn't agree)
2) EVE is down a lot of subs and dust made a crap load of money (legion/wod disagree)
3) EVE flatlined or loss a little, bust dust made very little to no money.
4) EVE increased subs, but Dust made negative money.
If they came out and said hey guys, eve has 450k subscribers across SRN and TQ! We could go, oh that's great...
450k * 15 a month = 6.75m x 12 = 81m *looks at ccps statement from last year* hey wait! 76-81 = -5m
WTF CCP!
or any combination of the above. We could very easily determine if dust was a success or a failure and how much it ate into CCP's time and profits. I mean come on, if dust had made 1m last year, and it cost then 20m to make, the player base would be having a bigger **** storm then the jita riots.
The point is, we do not have enough information to determine if subscriptions are down. And that's the problem. The internet makes everyone stupider because everyone thinks that with the info they an get, that thy are accounting genious', or awesome ceo's, whatever. But the point is, you do NOT have all the info. So you want to fill in the blanks. And that, is the problem.
EVE is not dying, Dust however, was prolly a colossal failure. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:20:00 -
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Friday \o/ Beer \o/ I don't care what you have say \o/ |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:21:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Friday \o/ Beer \o/ I don't care what you have say \o/ Ah drunk posting, gotta love it. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:21:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Friday \o/ Beer \o/ I don't care what you have say \o/
I don't drink but as my thread will be locked anyway... WOOOOO HOOO! OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:22:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:The point is, we do not have enough information to determine if subscriptions are down.
I do however have enough information to know that 6 of my 8 accounts are now unsubbed, this account has 10 days left and my last remaining account which expires in 2015 will not be re-subbed. EVE may not be dying, but I'm out barring major changes. Have fun in your litterbox.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
2648
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:22:00 -
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Less players, more alt accounts used to mine, bot, plex, incursion, PLEX only for those who will last until PLEX is 6 Bil. The rest have to find other game where you can play for free. The idea here, to put it in graphic terms for once, is to turn s**t into gold.
http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =ƒÿü |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:23:00 -
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Methink that 21% less ACU it's a lot of "zombie" accounts being paid for but not loggin in. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1938
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:24:00 -
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The same kind of people that use Obama's golfing trips as "proof that he is a Kenyan Muslim Communist out to steal our guns". The same kind of people that use a moment of hesitation to speak as "proof that all Republicans are racist jesusfreaks that hate women".
The same kind of people that think because they saw a train carrying military equipment, it means the government is going to kill us all, tomorrow. The same people who think Anita Sarkeesian asking for a better representation of women means she hates all men and wants to take away your video games. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
907
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:27:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Methink that 21% less ACU it's a lot of "zombie" accounts being paid for but not loggin in.
*shrugs* I could be wrong too, but think about it. You have CFC with 15k or something players, if a lot of them are pvpers. not finding lots of fights, they might put there pvp alts in moth ball and play something else, that doens;t mean they are unsubbed, just not in use.
OFC I could really be wrong, but honestly the math which you can do, doesn't quite prove that. It shows eve with a decent income still coming. But what % is subs, and what % is plex sales and what % is dust/other stuff? no idea. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
562
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:28:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:DaReaper wrote:The point is, we do not have enough information to determine if subscriptions are down.
I do however have enough information to know that 6 of my 8 accounts are now unsubbed, this account has 10 days left and my last remaining account which expires in 2015 will not be re-subbed. EVE may not be dying, but I'm out barring major changes. Have fun in your litterbox.
7 out of 10 here unsubbed. Not really sure why the other 3 of us are still hanging out...hoping for a miracle I guess. Nerf Goons
Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure. |
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
907
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:29:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:DaReaper wrote:The point is, we do not have enough information to determine if subscriptions are down.
I do however have enough information to know that 6 of my 8 accounts are now unsubbed, this account has 10 days left and my last remaining account which expires in 2015 will not be re-subbed. EVE may not be dying, but I'm out barring major changes. Have fun in your litterbox.
Cool, and i'm thinking of making my 4th account perm and adding a 5th account OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
907
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:30:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:DaReaper wrote:The point is, we do not have enough information to determine if subscriptions are down.
I do however have enough information to know that 6 of my 8 accounts are now unsubbed, this account has 10 days left and my last remaining account which expires in 2015 will not be re-subbed. EVE may not be dying, but I'm out barring major changes. Have fun in your litterbox.
as I said, thread will be locked anyway, so what is your reason for unsubbing exactly? OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2712
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:31:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Anita Sarkeesian
Instead of asking my usual "who?" I googled her and found this
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
907
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:31:00 -
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Mistah Ewedynao wrote:Ptraci wrote:DaReaper wrote:The point is, we do not have enough information to determine if subscriptions are down.
I do however have enough information to know that 6 of my 8 accounts are now unsubbed, this account has 10 days left and my last remaining account which expires in 2015 will not be re-subbed. EVE may not be dying, but I'm out barring major changes. Have fun in your litterbox. 7 out of 10 here unsubbed. Not really sure why the other 3 of us are still hanging out...hoping for a miracle I guess.
This that follows kids, is called bordum at work posting, and non bitter vet going 'huh?'
why have you been unsubbing? I'm honestly curious OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
2648
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:31:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:The same kind of people that use Obama's golfing trips as "proof that he is a Kenyan Muslim Communist out to steal our guns". The same kind of people that use a moment of hesitation to speak as "proof that all Republicans are racist jesusfreaks that hate women".
The same kind of people that think because they saw a train carrying military equipment, it means the government is going to kill us all, tomorrow. The same people who think Anita Sarkeesian asking for a better representation of women means she hates all men and wants to take away your video games.
And there is always something you missed, that is the best part. The idea here, to put it in graphic terms for once, is to turn s**t into gold.
http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =ƒÿü |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4669
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:33:00 -
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Can I have yo....waaaaait a second. =][= |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
12841
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:33:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:eve-offline, and to invoke him to this thread, correct me if I am wrong oh eve god Chribba, just shows the average users online in a day. It pretty much takes eve's low point and its high point, and find the number in the middle. This mearly shows, that yes, less people are playing eve for a long period of time. This doesn't show loss of accounts. Semi-correct yes, the longer period graphs are more average values, but random picked points in time (it does not aggregate periods)
Hopefully I may find a better way to graph stuff, perhaps daily max or something (except last time I did that it was VERY jumpy).
/c
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:35:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Can I have yo....waaaaait a second.
I invested 10.5 years of my life to this damn game, much to my wifes dismay. If you think I am leaving before the lights go out or they pry the keyboard from my cold dead hands, you are mistaken
I am by definition an EVE fan boi OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Noriko Mai
1465
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:38:00 -
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Does someone have a link with funny pictures or videos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBoV9AOpnZo |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4669
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:39:00 -
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Chribba wrote:DaReaper wrote:eve-offline, and to invoke him to this thread, correct me if I am wrong oh eve god Chribba, just shows the average users online in a day. It pretty much takes eve's low point and its high point, and find the number in the middle. This mearly shows, that yes, less people are playing eve for a long period of time. This doesn't show loss of accounts. Semi-correct yes, the longer period graphs are more average values, but random picked points in time (it does not aggregate periods) Hopefully I may find a better way to graph stuff, perhaps daily max or something (except last time I did that it was VERY jumpy). /c Can you tell length of play session? That'd be interesting. Well maybe not but I'd find it interesting.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:40:00 -
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Low subs would kill CCP, it's low PCU that will signal EVE's demise. [witty image] - Stream |
Chad Ramsbottom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:40:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:The same people who think Anita Sarkeesian asking for a better representation of women.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4669
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:41:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Does someone have a link with funny pictures or videos? http://www.buzzfeed.com/kimberleydadds/if-danny-dyers-tweets-were-motivational-posters?bffb&s=mobile =][= |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:42:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Can I have yo....waaaaait a second. I invested 10.5 years of my life to this damn game, much to my wifes dismay. If you think I am leaving before the lights go out or they pry the keyboard from my cold dead hands, you are mistaken I am by definition an EVE fan boi
If you would play on Singularity, you would see the lights going out for two times. The idea here, to put it in graphic terms for once, is to turn s**t into gold.
http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =ƒÿü |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
908
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:43:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Low subs would kill CCP, it's low PCU that will signal EVE's demise.
Not nessicarily, honestly a good indicator would be when they announce four large changes:
Corp/Alliance Roles POS revamp Sov Rework
and maybe
some kind of mining over haul.
If you don't see a rise in PCU for these, then there is a problem (mining less then the other 3, I just really want a mining revamp) OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
410
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:43:00 -
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I said it once and I'll say it again:
I'll keep undocking until CCP shuts down the server. I don't care how many jumps I have to make to find the only remaining dude who doesn't care about subs, ISK/hour etc and I'll shoot him. I cant promise I'll blow him up tho. Cos he's apparently a very determined individual... |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
908
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:44:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:DaReaper wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Can I have yo....waaaaait a second. I invested 10.5 years of my life to this damn game, much to my wifes dismay. If you think I am leaving before the lights go out or they pry the keyboard from my cold dead hands, you are mistaken I am by definition an EVE fan boi If you would play on Singularity, you would see the lights going out for two times.
yea I noticed that lol OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4670
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:47:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:I said it once and I'll say it again:
I'll keep undocking until CCP shuts down the server. I don't care how many jumps I have to make to find the only remaining dude who doesn't care about subs, ISK/hour etc and I'll shoot him. I cant promise I'll blow him up tho. Cos he's apparently a very determined individual... You should be fine, I'll give neutral reps =][= |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
909
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:48:00 -
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Don't get me wrong, I do try other games, and I know that some games do bleed off subs, and some people will get mad at a change and leave. Some got mad at crius, some got mad at hyp. Some got mad at the drone changes in the day the day (I miss my damn 8 ogres in a thorax damn it) some got mad at the original missle nerf (I missed my cruise kessie for so long!) some at the titan nerf, the list goes on and on. But often a lot return as there is no other game out there like eve, and honestly never will be. SC is not going to do it, ED won't, nothing will. People come and go, the point is, we just don't have the tools to be 100% sure CCP has suffered any huge dip in subs. Its more likely that Dust failed. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Noriko Mai
1465
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Posted - 2014.09.05 20:49:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Noriko Mai wrote:Does someone have a link with funny pictures or videos? http://www.buzzfeed.com/kimberleydadds/if-danny-dyers-tweets-were-motivational-posters?bffb&s=mobile That's not funny at all... Like landscape pictures with **** quotes... lame#
I need something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXQo7nURs0 http://www.hornoxe.com/lustiger-roadrage-in-russland/ |
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