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Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:17:00 -
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So we have all been saying drones are OP except for the few that just trained to fly an Ishtar. The alliance tournament seems to confirm this. So, how long until the new dawn for the turret. The drone meta is getting boring now, and I am looking forward to it being shaken up. So how long do we have to wait? |
Paranoid Loyd
1729
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:30:00 -
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I can't fly an Ishtar and I have said nothing of the sort. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:31:00 -
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I think you mean "Sentry Drones" |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6329
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:32:00 -
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Next Friday at 3PM, or not.
It's unclear. Whenever I shake this thing the answers change.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Chad Ramsbottom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:33:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Next Friday at 3PM, or not.
It's unclear. Whenever I shake this thing the answers change.
Am I going to live in a mansion? This is a signature |
111kartel111
O.M.F.G LLC
10
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:35:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:So we have all been saying drones are OP except for the few that just trained to fly an Ishtar. The alliance tournament seems to confirm this. So, how long until the new dawn for the turret. The drone meta is getting boring now, and I am looking forward to it being shaken up. So how long do we have to wait?
Please expand on the we part ? do you have a mouse in your pocket?. |
Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions Stain Confederation
302
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:36:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:I think you mean "Sentry Drones" Nope, the whole drone system needs a rebalance. The fact that no one was using smart bombs in the tournament shows that the natural counter to drones isn't working. |
Dave Stark
6838
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:36:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:So we have all been saying drones are OP except for the few that just trained to fly an Ishtar. The alliance tournament seems to confirm this. So, how long until the new dawn for the turret. The drone meta is getting boring now, and I am looking forward to it being shaken up. So how long do we have to wait?
the AT is to pvp what **** is to sex. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12982
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:39:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:I think you mean "Sentry Drones" Nope, the whole drone system needs a rebalance. The fact that no one was using smart bombs in the tournament shows that the natural counter to drones isn't working.
AT is a poor thing to judge balance on. It is indeed just the sentries that a causing issues. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2210
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:41:00 -
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TIL You have to train for Ishtar to use drones. Amazing. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
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Paranoid Loyd
1729
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:41:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:I think you mean "Sentry Drones" Nope, the whole drone system needs a rebalance. The fact that no one was using smart bombs in the tournament shows that the natural counter to drones isn't working.
What a strong grasp of game mechanics you have there. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions Stain Confederation
302
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:I think you mean "Sentry Drones" Nope, the whole drone system needs a rebalance. The fact that no one was using smart bombs in the tournament shows that the natural counter to drones isn't working. AT is a poor thing to judge balance on. It is indeed just the sentries that a causing issues. Drones where better when they where a secondary weapon system imo. The reason I suggest an overall rebalance is to reduce the affect of the lame tactics which come with drones.
One idea is to fix the drone size to a specific class of ship. For instance a BS should only be able to equip / get bonuses to light drones. Turrets have that restriction, drones don't have it only because they weren't intended as a primary weapon system. Stuff like that needs ironing out. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1300
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Posted - 2014.09.05 21:59:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:So we have all been saying drones are OP no WE haven't. You don't speak for me and don't pretend you speak for the silent majority.
The ships that use them might be unbalanced but drones themselves are not OP. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
2074
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:04:00 -
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Drones are fine. There are a few problematic subcaps (Ishtar, VNI) where the problem largely stems from a highly mobile cruiser having the damage projection of a battleship via sentries. Likewise, sentries are also problematic on carriers. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2210
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:11:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Drones are fine. There are a few problematic subcaps (Ishtar, VNI) where the problem largely stems from a highly mobile cruiser having the damage projection of a battleship via sentries. Likewise, sentries are also problematic on carriers.
This has nothing to do with terrible pilots burning straight at sentry drones. Nope nothing at all.
I mean the world will end if baddies don't immediately fire up their MWD and burn in for the tackle.
The prefered drones for an Ishtar are heavies btw, unless you're going to go mess with low IQ gate or station campers and there is no shortage of them. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions Stain Confederation
302
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:13:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Drones are fine. There are a few problematic subcaps (Ishtar, VNI) where the problem largely stems from a highly mobile cruiser having the damage projection of a battleship via sentries. Likewise, sentries are also problematic on carriers. Yes I'd agree, although heavy drones are still far too powerful for a cruiser. The pace of change is very slow. Restricting drones to their specific class of ship, or at least their bonuses, would be a quick solution. I was hoping the alliance tournament might be a wake up call though for CCP to get their act together. The Ishtar nerf was insignificant in comparison to the problem. |
Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:15:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:I think you mean "Sentry Drones" Nope, the whole drone system needs a rebalance. The fact that no one was using smart bombs in the tournament shows that the natural counter to drones isn't working. AT is a poor thing to judge balance on. It is indeed just the sentries that a causing issues. Yep, this.
Perhaps the Gila hull itself is a bit OP too. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
2075
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:17:00 -
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Sentamon wrote: The prefered drones for an Ishtar are heavies btw, unless you're going to go mess with low IQ gate or station campers and there is no shortage of them.
Not in every single pvp engagement involving ishtars that I've seen/partaken in over the past year or so.
PvE dudes might use heavies, but no one does ship balance around pve content. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
50
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:27:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote: Yes I'd agree, although heavy drones are still far too powerful for a cruiser. The pace of change is very slow. Restricting drones to their specific class of ship, or at least their bonuses, would be a quick solution. I was hoping the alliance tournament might be a wake up call though for CCP to get their act together. The Ishtar nerf was insignificant in comparison to the problem.
What about afk cloakers with drones? |
Paranoid Loyd
1729
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:28:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:baltec1 wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:I think you mean "Sentry Drones" Nope, the whole drone system needs a rebalance. The fact that no one was using smart bombs in the tournament shows that the natural counter to drones isn't working. AT is a poor thing to judge balance on. It is indeed just the sentries that a causing issues. Yep, this. Perhaps the Gila hull itself is a bit OP too. Although I would prefer to not see sentries removed from cruisers entirely. Perhaps a lower DPS, better tracking "light sentry" could work.
Did I read this right? You are using sentries with your Gila? "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
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Django Askulf
Black Rebel Death Squad
58
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:33:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:The drone meta is getting boring now, and I am looking forward to it being shaken up. So how long do we have to wait?
Awwww. Thats terrible, someone should hurry up and get started on pleasing you.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12986
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:34:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Sentamon wrote: The prefered drones for an Ishtar are heavies btw, unless you're going to go mess with low IQ gate or station campers and there is no shortage of them.
Not in every single pvp engagement involving ishtars that I've seen/partaken in over the past year or so. PvE dudes might use heavies, but no one does ship balance around pve content.
Yea, nobody uses heavies in pvp over sentries. Sentamon is talking rubbish. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:39:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:So we have all been saying drones are OP except for the few that just trained to fly an Ishtar. The alliance tournament seems to confirm this. So, how long until the new dawn for the turret. The drone meta is getting boring now, and I am looking forward to it being shaken up. So how long do we have to wait?
Whether it would make you happy, deliriously pleasured, or simply tickled...
...I am not a mouse in your pocket. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the stong-willied need apply.
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Roflsaures Rex
Laughing Man Pirates
7
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:41:00 -
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nerf drones and gallente are extremely useless |
Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
67488
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:41:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:I think you mean "Sentry Drones" Nope, the whole drone system needs a rebalance. The fact that no one was using smart bombs in the tournament shows that the natural counter to drones isn't working.
Nulli used smartbombs which caused them to dunk Hydra.
Now tell me what makes drones OP? One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions Stain Confederation
302
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:50:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Now tell me what makes drones OP? I'm sure you already know, but to clarify.
- Instant damage projection over long range with sentries - Able to switch easily to face small, medium, large targets for optimal damage application. - Highly resistant (effectively immune) to Ewar. - BS levels of DPS possible on sub battleship class ships. - Frigate levels of damage application possible of a battleship. - Weapon uses no high slots so you can fit a full rack of remote reps / nuets.
Drawback
- Weapons system can be destroyed (although good luck with most drone ships housing 3 more flights, so by the time you've destroyed and targeted them all you will be dead) |
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2014.09.05 22:53:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Mizhir wrote:Now tell me what makes drones OP? I'm sure you already know, but to clarify. - Instant damage projection over long range with sentries - Able to switch easily to face small, medium, large targets for optimal damage application. - Highly resistant (effectively immune) to Ewar. - BS levels of DPS possible on sub battleship class ships. - Frigate levels of damage application possible of a battleship. - Weapon uses no high slots so you can fit a full rack of remote reps / nuets. Drawback - Weapons system can be destroyed (although good luck with most drone ships housing 3 more flights, so by the time you've destroyed and targeted them all you will be dead)
Train drones? Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the stong-willied need apply.
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2014.09.05 23:05:00 -
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Roflsaures Rex wrote:nerf drones and gallente are extremely useless
Except for one of the most prominent battleship fleet compositions in the game right now
(also known as the only battleship fleet comp) |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2210
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Posted - 2014.09.05 23:08:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:
Drawback
- Weapons system can be destroyed (although good luck with most drone ships housing 3 more flights, so by the time you've destroyed and targeted them all you will be dead)
Drawbacks
- Sentries already have terrible tracking vs pilots smart enough not to burn right at you with MWD on. - If the fight moves (warping / high speed combat), you have to fly back and pick up your drones making you extremely vulnerable to the clever pilots expecting this. - sentry loss = ISK loss
baltec1 wrote: Yea, nobody uses heavies in pvp over sentries. Sentamon is talking rubbish.
AT, or am I imagining things? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
3150
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Posted - 2014.09.05 23:11:00 -
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111kartel111 wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:So we have all been saying drones are OP except for the few that just trained to fly an Ishtar. The alliance tournament seems to confirm this. So, how long until the new dawn for the turret. The drone meta is getting boring now, and I am looking forward to it being shaken up. So how long do we have to wait? Please expand on the we part ? do you have a mouse in your pocket?.
Nah! He just happy to see you
FAKE EDIT: My sincerest apologies for my juvenile attempt at humour. I am at work at 7pm on a Friday night and I still have an hour to go
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