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Morganta
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2014.09.08 00:38:00 -
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there appear to be reports circulating stating a new game has been scraped and in the last 18 months eve lost 44 million bucks on R&D yet only makes about 6 million or less a year???
is there an existing discussion about this? is there official news? what got scrapped? should I just "not worry, it will be all right?"
is this just propaganda from the RSI people?
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Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
261
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Posted - 2014.09.08 00:40:00 -
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rumor much? eve online original intro
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Morganta
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
2000
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Posted - 2014.09.08 00:44:00 -
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Ursula Thrace wrote:rumor much?
not really, no but this caught my attention and while I doubt its entirely accurate, these things usually have some basis in reality, So I'm askin
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Felicity Love
Imperium Galactic Navy
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Posted - 2014.09.08 00:50:00 -
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There was that big "write off " awhile back... perhaps thats part of what you're hearing ?
Otherwise, just look back at the various stupidities in the last few years.
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
11024
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Posted - 2014.09.08 00:52:00 -
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I looked for links to articles or data in your post but all I found is your opinion.
Did you have anything more than your opinion to base this discussion off of? Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin ~-áAnd when the seasons change ~-áWill you stand by me? ~ |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4626
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:02:00 -
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Wasn't all the work done for World of Darkness written off under R&D? Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9555
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:05:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Wasn't all the work done for World of Darkness written off under R&D?
Yes. That is the bulk of the amount the OP is talking about.
When you look at it that way, they actually have a pretty decent net gain, once they cut out all the pork. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Morganta
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
2000
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:12:00 -
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ok that makes sense, and this other article seems to back it up, so its just fallout from WOD
and to the person who was unable to find info about this heres one mention with somewhat different numbers, im sure you can find more http://www.gamespot.com/articles/eve-developer-closes-san-francisco-office-two-key-/1100-6421968/ |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:15:00 -
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The link says $22.8 million loss and your topic says $44 million.
"Somewhat different numbers" is a nice way of putting it.
Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin ~-áAnd when the seasons change ~-áWill you stand by me? ~ |
bacon lettuce tomato
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:17:00 -
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I wouldn't me surprised if this websites 404'd tomorrow and never came back up. Most lemonade stands I've seen are managed better than CCP |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9556
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:20:00 -
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bacon lettuce tomato wrote:I wouldn't me surprised if this websites 404'd tomorrow and never came back up. Most lemonade stands I've seen are managed better than CCP
Considering that no one knows that they backed the National Socialist Party in the 30s and 40s, I would have to say that the Girl Scouts have a pretty damned good PR department. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
920
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:20:00 -
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In the 6 month finaical report, which was poste din another thread, and can be found here:
http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/ccpgames/assets/ccp-6-manada-uppgjor-2014-frettatilkynning.pdf you need to translate that, and its not the offical ccpgames site that i am aware of, so boo knows.
and the TMC artical here:
http://themittani.com/news/ccp-reveals-mediocre-2014-financials-layoffs
Which the source is a reddit post.
So take that for what it is. Says roughly that ccp made 36,452,422 for the first 6 months of 2014, which is down from last year. (36.6m roughly)
They had a an operation loss according to the document of roughtly 28m.
Most in RnD which is the finaly parts of the WoD closing that they finished around fan fest.
So techically ccp is only down around 200k for the first 6 months. the rest is rnd and administration cost. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
920
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:25:00 -
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its a combination of killing WoD which will cost money, it actually cost a lot to fire someone.
And the writing off of 8 years of RnD work (which cost a lot of money over time)
And the closing of an expessive office (lets face it, SF has HIGH rent, it was prolly rented for the marketing guy, and as he was quitting they dumped it)
And the tail end of closing un used depts.
Honestly, CCP is sitting on a decent ip in the form of WoD, and if they REALLY get in trouble, could prolly spin off white wolf or lease out the WoD ip.
But a 200k or so loss in game rev int he same 6 month period, really is not that big a deal OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
625
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Posted - 2014.09.08 01:30:00 -
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300,000 users x $15 per month x 12 months = $54million per year.
there are a few simplifications and assumptions in there, but should be a decent ballpark figure.
also that seems like a high figure for a WoD and/or Dust 514 write off, but hey, probably helps them on the taxes in a nice way, and I have no idea what it really takes to finance a game on that level. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Nariya Kentaya
The Pulsar Innovation Surely You're Joking
1511
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Posted - 2014.09.08 02:10:00 -
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Im just gonna say, as someone whos having to take Accounting as a supplementary class in college, that all you people who can stare at a balance sheet and make out whats going where, applause. That stuff gives me a migraine and I used to calculate math for trips to the moon/mars using an apollo-era rocket for fun. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
7505
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Posted - 2014.09.08 02:22:00 -
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Well it seems the servers are still up, so I think I'll leave the financial issues to CCP and concentrate on playing the game.
When the server doesn't come up anymore, then I'll have a meltdown. The forums better still be open then. My thread-naught is going to be epic. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
LAGL 4 LYF |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9557
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Posted - 2014.09.08 02:26:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Im just gonna say, as someone whos having to take Accounting as a supplementary class in college, that all you people who can stare at a balance sheet and make out whats going where, applause. That stuff gives me a migraine and I used to calculate math for trips to the moon/mars using an apollo-era rocket for fun.
Try working for an insurance company some day. Be prepared to hate yourself in fairly short order though. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Morganta
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
2000
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Posted - 2014.09.08 02:27:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:300,000 users x $15 per month x 12 months = $54million per year.
there are a few simplifications and assumptions in there, but should be a decent ballpark figure.
also that seems like a high figure for a WoD and/or Dust 514 write off, but hey, probably helps them on the taxes in a nice way, and I have no idea what it really takes to finance a game on that level.
because every penny a business makes is profit
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.09.08 03:07:00 -
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Morganta wrote: should I just "not worry, it will be all right?"
That would be my advice.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1950
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Posted - 2014.09.08 03:36:00 -
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Morganta wrote:there appear to be reports circulating stating a new game has been scraped and in the last 18 months eve lost 44 million bucks on R&D yet only makes about 6 million or less a year???
is there an existing discussion about this? is there official news? what got scrapped? should I just "not worry, it will be all right?"
is this just propaganda from the RSI people?
Your numbers are made-up and stupid. Your rumor-mongering deserves a lock. Contract all your stuff to me, and biomass your toons. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
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Slicr
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Posted - 2014.09.08 05:38:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Morganta wrote:there appear to be reports circulating stating a new game has been scraped and in the last 18 months eve lost 44 million bucks on R&D yet only makes about 6 million or less a year???
is there an existing discussion about this? is there official news? what got scrapped? should I just "not worry, it will be all right?"
is this just propaganda from the RSI people?
Your numbers are made-up and stupid. Your rumor-mongering deserves a lock. Contract all your stuff to me, and biomass your toons.
I can see numbers being made up, but numbers being stupid?
I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
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Slicr
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Posted - 2014.09.08 05:38:02 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Morganta wrote:there appear to be reports circulating stating a new game has been scraped and in the last 18 months eve lost 44 million bucks on R&D yet only makes about 6 million or less a year???
is there an existing discussion about this? is there official news? what got scrapped? should I just "not worry, it will be all right?"
is this just propaganda from the RSI people?
Your numbers are made-up and stupid. Your rumor-mongering deserves a lock. Contract all your stuff to me, and biomass your toons.
I can see numbers being made up, but numbers being stupid?
I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive.
Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
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Ahost Gceo
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
213
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Posted - 2014.09.08 06:39:00 -
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Morganta wrote:there appear to be reports circulating stating a new game has been scraped and in the last 18 months eve lost 44 million bucks on R&D yet only makes about 6 million or less a year???
is there an existing discussion about this? is there official news? what got scrapped? should I just "not worry, it will be all right?"
is this just propaganda from the RSI people?
By Jove you are fugly. I'm a friggin' banana. |
Ahost Gceo
Rolled Out Black Legion.
226
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Posted - 2014.09.08 06:39:12 -
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Morganta wrote:there appear to be reports circulating stating a new game has been scraped and in the last 18 months eve lost 44 million bucks on R&D yet only makes about 6 million or less a year???
is there an existing discussion about this? is there official news? what got scrapped? should I just "not worry, it will be all right?"
is this just propaganda from the RSI people?
By Jove you are fugly.
CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.
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Don Aubaris
135
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Posted - 2014.09.08 06:55:00 -
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I heared that new accounting rules forced CCP to subject all CCP DEVs to an IQ test. This to have a better idea of their value to the company. The write-off was a consequence of the results.
And now serious : CCP just cleaned up their books. A lot of mismanagement and hot air got cleaned out. It doesn't mean they actually spend that money. They just scrapped money that wasn't there anymore anyway. Don't you just love bookkeeping.
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Don Aubaris
135
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Posted - 2014.09.08 06:55:27 -
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I heared that new accounting rules forced CCP to subject all CCP DEVs to an IQ test. This to have a better idea of their value to the company. The write-off was a consequence of the results.
And now serious : CCP just cleaned up their books. A lot of mismanagement and hot air got cleaned out. It doesn't mean they actually spend that money. They just scrapped money that wasn't there anymore anyway. Don't you just love bookkeeping.
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Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
139
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Posted - 2014.09.08 07:50:00 -
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bacon lettuce tomato wrote:I wouldn't me surprised if this websites 404'd tomorrow and never came back up. Most lemonade stands I've seen are managed better than CCP
And yet, after more than 10 years , the servers are still up and the hamsters are happy. Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
222
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Posted - 2014.09.08 07:50:10 -
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bacon lettuce tomato wrote:I wouldn't me surprised if this websites 404'd tomorrow and never came back up. Most lemonade stands I've seen are managed better than CCP
And yet, after more than 10 years , the servers are still up and the hamsters are happy.
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2014.09.08 08:20:00 -
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Slicr wrote: I can see numbers being made up, but numbers being stupid?
I've always hated 9. It's just an upside down 6! F off, nine, you're a stupid number.
OTOH 4 is the most underrated number. It doesn't get any hype, but four is cool with just sitting back and being the first square number. Very classy. More people should be down with 4. |
Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.08 08:20:02 -
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Slicr wrote: I can see numbers being made up, but numbers being stupid?
I've always hated 9. It's just an upside down 6! F off, nine, you're a stupid number.
OTOH 4 is the most underrated number. It doesn't get any hype, but four is cool with just sitting back and being the first square number. Very classy. More people should be down with 4. |
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