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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2014.09.10 10:32:00 -
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Talos isn't a great ship for L3 missions. The large guns have trouble hitting smaller targets (mostly cruisers and battlecruisers in L3s) and it doesn't have a great tank.
Brutix works great for L3 missions if you prefer the gunnery side of Gallente, otherwise the Myrmidon is a monster with its drone bonuses. |
erg cz
Sliperer
109
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Posted - 2014.09.10 10:50:00 -
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Get Gnosis or Prophecy for MJD L3 missions in a drone boat.
But I believe the right way for you is to get ASAP skills to fly Armageddon with cruise missiles. That way you always can adapt your damage type to the mission. Talos or Oracle will suffer from the simple fact, that they do only limited kind of damage. I tryed to run L4 missions in attack cruiser myself, it is doable, but takes very long time. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
321
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Posted - 2014.09.10 11:13:00 -
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CaiJi Du wrote:The gospel according to EFT v2.23. Said I couldn't fit it to the Talos. Haven't tried it in EVE yet, but the info says it can be fitted to a Combat Battle Cruiser, whatever that means...
Ah, yes. That would do it
Don't usually see mission runners in ABCs so I assumed (clearly wrongly!) that you were in a CBC as they tend to tank better.
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Carek Talen
Another Corp.
18
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Posted - 2014.09.10 11:24:00 -
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You can complete the mission with your ship and tactic but...
Talos, MWD and ancillary armor are strange choices for pve.
Talos can fit eight large weapons but it is a glass cannon, most people use the Brutix, only six medium guns, but more than twice the armor and drone bay, an extra low and a bonus to repair. Also counting guns alone the Brutix with 250mm has more dps (not alpha) than the 425mm Talos.
MWD reduces your total cap and increases your signature, usual pve fits use an AB.
Ancillary armor repairer is good if you are using nanite, but the nanite is expensive and without nanite is less effective than a meta 0 module.
The warrior is fast, but hobgoblin do more raw damage and guristas are weaker against thermal and anyway you don't want to send your drones farther away than 15-20 km.
Of course against heavy jamming a Myrmidon would be much better than a turret ship. |
CaiJi Du
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.09.10 14:11:00 -
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Voxinian wrote:Get a cheap Drake if you want to use MJD, it can do L3's just fine and lighter L4's too. THough a MJD is not really needed for missions at all.
erg cz wrote:Get Gnosis or Prophecy for MJD L3 missions in a drone boat.
But I believe the right way for you is to get ASAP skills to fly Armageddon with cruise missiles. That way you always can adapt your damage type to the mission. Talos or Oracle will suffer from the simple fact, that they do only limited kind of damage. I tryed to run L4 missions in attack cruiser myself, it is doable, but takes very long time. Drake = Caldari, and I have little training in them. Right now time is an issue, and I'm not a huge fan of missiles.
The Gnosis is...fugly. Seriously, my concern here would be, well, it seems to be a jack of all trades, master of none. It might be awesome, but I wouldn't know what to do with it.
The Prophecy looks interesting. I've got fair skills on both Gallente and Amarr ships and weapons, and thanks to the Stratios, I've invested in drones too. I'm seeing this as an armor brawler. It certainly is a lot tougher than the Talos. Heck, the Stratios is a lot tougher than the Talos.
Anyway, early EFT fitting is suggesting about 146dps an guns using Heavy Modified Pulse Energy Beam I with Multifrequency M and Optimal 6.9+4.6.
The range is fine, but the dps is unimpressive for close range guns and I'm struggling with cap stability and I haven't finished the fit. 4 x 'Integrated' Berserkers bring total dps to 289.
Now, I was wondering why every fit I found for the Talos was for a brawler when it looks to me like a sniper (low defenses, long range). Still, changing things around a bit....
8 x Modal Mega Electron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge L
Plus several other mods (no sensor boost, no tracking computer). Short answer is this yields 384dps with Optimal 3.3+7.6. 5 x 'Integrated' Warriors bring total dps to 445
This fit includes a MWD to close quickly (then shut off) and runs a web stable at 53%
Repping will draw down, but I can run the MAR II full time with cap booster and stay cap stable as long as the boosters last. Thing is, I can rep 368hp / 9.6s, or 38.4hp/s.
Mission information says these guys do Thermal and Kinetic damage; my armor resistances are 72.4% for each.
Then question then is, will my 445dps melt them before they melt me? |
CaiJi Du
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.09.10 14:27:00 -
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erg cz wrote:Get Gnosis or Prophecy for MJD L3 missions in a drone boat.
But I believe the right way for you is to get ASAP skills to fly Armageddon with cruise missiles. That way you always can adapt your damage type to the mission. Talos or Oracle will suffer from the simple fact, that they do only limited kind of damage. I tryed to run L4 missions in attack cruiser myself, it is doable, but takes very long time. Okay, I'm listening...
Got a fit for this? Ironically, due to preparing for the Talos (large lasers) I've got just 2.25 days to get in this boat, and I'd step in at Mastery II. Not wonderful, but... |
CaiJi Du
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.09.10 14:29:00 -
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General question...
It looks to me like -most- of the recommendations are for brawling solutions... get in their faces and tear them up fast?
Is that how most of you tackle missions? |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
471
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Posted - 2014.09.10 14:56:00 -
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No, best way to run L4 missions is in a BS. In particular, a Marauder or Pirate Faction BS. |
CaiJi Du
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:21:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:No, best way to run L4 missions is in a BS. In particular, a Marauder or Pirate Faction BS. Wouldn't that be lovely *sigh*.
About 3 months of training if I stay absolutely focused on that one goal, and I suppose I can mine enough ice in that time to pay for it if I don't buy anything else.
In the meantime, there shall be T1's in my life |
CaiJi Du
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:32:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Talos isn't a great ship for L3 missions. The large guns have trouble hitting smaller targets (mostly cruisers and frigatesin L3s, with some battlecruisers) because of the tracking and sig radius of the guns and it doesn't have a great tank. I understand your argument however...
Recall that my intent is to stand off at 100+km. At that range the NPCs simply chase me in a straight line, and their dps is negligible so I'd say my limited tank is no longer a problem.
They will be at, or very close to, my optimal range, with zero angular velocity and zero rate of closure. Doesn't that mean I'll have very little trouble hitting them?
If I am correct, this means my victory should be almost inevitable. |
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
471
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:55:00 -
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CaiJi Du wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:Talos isn't a great ship for L3 missions. The large guns have trouble hitting smaller targets (mostly cruisers and frigatesin L3s, with some battlecruisers) because of the tracking and sig radius of the guns and it doesn't have a great tank. I understand your argument however... Recall that my intent is to stand off at 100+km. At that range the NPCs simply chase me in a straight line, and their dps is negligible so I'd say my limited tank is no longer a problem. They will be at, or very close to, my optimal range, with zero angular velocity and zero rate of closure. Doesn't that mean I'll have very little trouble hitting them? If I am correct, this means my victory should be almost inevitable.
A Tornado is good for that. However, it won't work in missions where the rats use missiles.
The fit I have used in the past is:
[Tornado, Sniper] Reactor Control Unit II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
The idea here is once you warp in, start burning away from the rats. Good idea is to set a keep at range distance of about 100km. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1439
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:18:00 -
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CaiJi Du wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:Talos isn't a great ship for L3 missions. The large guns have trouble hitting smaller targets (mostly cruisers and frigatesin L3s, with some battlecruisers) because of the tracking and sig radius of the guns and it doesn't have a great tank. I understand your argument however... Recall that my intent is to stand off at 100+km.
Except that not all missions allow you to warp in at range and an attack battlecruiser can't have a microjump drive, hence you'll have to start the missions by pulling range quickly.
If you don't mind potentially being a couple webs away from losing the ship, it should work. Just don't lose those 5 light scout drones you can pack into a Talos. Get webbed and scrammed by a close-orbiting frigate and the drones are the only thing that will get you out.
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Rena Monachica
Capital Hot Rods
4
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:33:00 -
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Since you have some drone skills, the Myrmidon will serve you well. With Sentry-Drones it combines good dps, range and versatility with a strong armor tank
Its also the stepping stone to the Dominix, a cheap and safe ship for lvl 4 missions |
Voxinian
40
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:59:00 -
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CaiJi Du wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:No, best way to run L4 missions is in a BS. In particular, a Marauder or Pirate Faction BS. Wouldn't that be lovely *sigh*. About 3 months of training if I stay absolutely focused on that one goal, and I suppose I can mine enough ice in that time to pay for it if I don't buy anything else. In the meantime, there shall be T1's in my life Don't rush into expensive ships to fast, It's better to have decent core skills first. Flying in expensive ships without decent skills to back it up might end you up in tears. T1 boats do just fine for missions, just takes a little longer. |
CaiJi Du
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.09.10 17:36:00 -
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Rena Monachica wrote:Since you have some drone skills, the Myrmidon will serve you well. With Sentry-Drones it combines good dps, range and versatility with a strong armor tank
Its also the stepping stone to the Dominix, a cheap and safe ship for lvl 4 missions So many options, I'm almost overwhelmed.
Your advice makes sense though; I do like the versatility of drones, and my skills do point me in the Gallente/Hybrid direction or Amarr/Laser. Either make good choices for me I think. |
CaiJi Du
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.09.10 17:49:00 -
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Voxinian wrote:CaiJi Du wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:No, best way to run L4 missions is in a BS. In particular, a Marauder or Pirate Faction BS. Wouldn't that be lovely *sigh*. About 3 months of training if I stay absolutely focused on that one goal, and I suppose I can mine enough ice in that time to pay for it if I don't buy anything else. In the meantime, there shall be T1's in my life Don't rush into expensive ships to fast, It's better to have decent core skills first. Flying in expensive ships without decent skills to back it up might end you up in tears. T1 boats do just fine for missions, just takes a little longer. I should have enclosed my words with [facetious][/facetious]
I agree... I use a Helios for getting around fast, and dipping into LoSec for Relic/Data sites, but that is likely to be my only T2 for a while. Heck, a few days ago I was down to 26million ISK and I'm now grinding ice to buy and fit one of these "suggestions".
Nah, I doubt I'll even have a T2 BS for Christmas -next- year |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
95
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Posted - 2014.09.13 21:49:00 -
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Vlad Vladimir Vladinovsky wrote:Rena Monachica wrote:yup, that mission was a nasty surprise when I got it for the first time
"Its just a lvl 3, nothing to care about ... hey wait a second, where did my armor go? WTFFFF"
there are freak missions like that in every tier. The Blockade is also quite hard for a lvl 3. Or Mission of Mercy for lvl 2. The blockade on level 4 is extremely tough, probably the toughest Level 4 there is purely because there is one room, the NPC's can neut to 30km and can tracking disrupt you from over 60. I always try to bring a friend for this and I think the best way is to use cruise missiles from over 100km away to avoid all damage entirely. I personally like to run an AC mach and brawl, but I run very shiny and use an MWD That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
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