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Thora'n
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:24:00 -
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After careful examination of the sell orders forum, its quite clear that there is a number of asians selling gametime codes for isk, now im not being rascist, im just stating a fact, but due to the economy in that part of the world its very unlikely that any asians would be buying timecodes to sell for isk for their own enjoyment.
Take a look at these threads
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=364662
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=369952&page=2
Anyone whos ever heard asians attempt to talk english will know for sure that these guys selling the timecodes are asians.
Now the even more dodgy bit, these next few sellers all bare similar names, very similar infact, its either the same person using multiple characters to sell timecodes, or multiple people working for the same company selling timecodes, why would someone do that? To sell timecodes for isk and then sell the isk on their gold selling website perhaps? I honestly believe this is the case.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=371925
Here you can see the name of the seller is fy3661338, read to the bottom of his thread, he bumps the thread using the wrong character, a character named fy36613382 - a different character he uses to sell codes with perhaps?
Now look here
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=371941
This sellers name is zj701018, sound similar perhaps? it is, infact it is two characters followed by six numbers, exactly the same layout as the fy36613382 and fy3661338 guys who are also selling timecodes.
But wait theres more, a few posts down in the zj701018 thread you can see an alt who comes in and asks to buy some codes, hes got a weird name, his character name is "stpp" what kind of character name is that? Now go look back at the sell order forums again, and here we find this...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=372236
HERE we find the same character "stpp" offering to sell gametime codes and once againstg, his dodgy english seems to be that of an asian.
Im sure there is more evidence that could be found to prove what these guys are doing, but all ccp really need do is look into the accounts and see what they are doing with the isk and bam, they've caught a bunch of isk sellers. I'm fairely certain these guys are using the old buy timecode for money, sell timecode for isk, sell isk for money technique to make a profit.
I am sorry about having to post this here, but its way to big for a petition, and perhaps some of you eve players will be able to spot some more mistakes that these isk sellers have made on the forum, that further prove my theory.
I would be very grateful if a CCP GM could look into this fully and find out just what is going down here.
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Alazais
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:27:00 -
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I guess its just because of the value of the currency. Most Western currency has a slightly greater value, um... to make it simple.
Isk is worth more in China then it is in USA :p
That said, remember selling isk for real life cash is wrong, and evil and don't do it!
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Gierling
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:27:00 -
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MODDIE!
WE NEED A MODDIE STAT!
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Thora'n
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:28:00 -
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What i have also spotted is that the zj701018 edits his post a lot without removing the "has been edited by" at the top, see here and here
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=364662
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=371941
One and the same person? I believe so, but my question is if this person was selling timecodes for his own personal use then why is he using so many alt characters in so many threads to sell all these codes? Wouldn't it be better to use the same character and get a good rep? No, he has something to hide, he doesn't want to much isk on one character for some reason.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:29:00 -
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Oh god.
IBTL & IBTFB
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Jenny Firespit
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling MODDIE!
WE NEED A MODDIE STAT!
The only reason we need a mod here is to inform a GM of this and make sure he reads the thread and checks out the accounts of these timecode sellers.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Alazais I guess its just because of the value of the currency. Most Western currency has a slightly greater value, um... to make it simple.
Isk is worth more in China then it is in USA :p
That said, remember selling isk for real life cash is wong, and evil and don't do it!
changed it to what you really meant
its gonna get locked anyway, lets go out in style but you know what i really hate?
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Eilie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:31:00 -
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Edited by: Eilie on 31/07/2006 03:34:10 It's not all Asians that are selling them, it's only the Chinese. They have sweatshops running macros and selling currency in most MMORPGs and usually nothing can be done about it... but in EVE, we get to kill them!
Edit: Although I am forced to buy GTCs for my account, I only buy them from people who speak decent English and only from people who are only selling like 1-2 cards. I never buy from those selling 10+ cards at once. That way I can be pretty sure that I am buying from some newbie who is just using the money to get a BS which he will quickly lose anyway!
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St Dragon
THE SHADOWS ASSASSINS
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:31:00 -
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what a racist
Just becaus ethey have bad english doesant mean they are asian -----------------------------------------------
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand |
Thora'n
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Thora''n on 31/07/2006 03:34:00
Originally by: St Dragon
Originally by: St Dragon what a racist
Just becaus ethey have bad english doesant mean they are asian
OMG i must be ASIAN
Your talking to yourself now?
I've heard plenty of different countries attempts at english from all around the world, they all have their unique ways of attempted english, and its very easy to tell that these guys are asians, and im 99% sure of what these guys are up to, they are ISK SELLERS AND YOU GUYS ARE DEFENDING THEM!
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Thora'n
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: St Dragon what a racist
Just becaus ethey have bad english doesant mean they are asian
It is not being racist, it is the truth, in places like China due to their ecomomy compared to ours it is HIGHLY profitable to do a thing such as this, so naturally this is a big thing over there, making money out of selling gold in online games.
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St Dragon
THE SHADOWS ASSASSINS
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: St Dragon what a racist
Just becaus ethey have bad english doesant mean they are asian
OMG i must be ASIAN -----------------------------------------------
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand |
Gierling
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:33:00 -
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I may not like it but you singled out a single ethnicity as being particularly problematic and that is deeply in !@#$% territory from any corporate perspective.
Thats a no-no in polite company, next time you make this thread (because it will be locked) try just being unspecific about "non-native english speakers that do not appear to be from the west", although that might get locked too.
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St Dragon
THE SHADOWS ASSASSINS
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: St Dragon on 31/07/2006 03:32:58
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"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand |
Thora'n
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: Thora''n on 31/07/2006 03:38:28
Originally by: Gierling I may not like it but you singled out a single ethnicity as being particularly problematic and that is deeply in !@#$% territory from any corporate perspective.
Thats a no-no in polite company, next time you make this thread (because it will be locked) try just being unspecific about "non-native english speakers that do not appear to be from the west", although that might get locked too.
Please dont go accusing me of being racist, i think you'll find the majority of gold farmers from mmorpgs all around the world are infact from the far eastern parts of the world, it doesn't happen for no reason, its all due to economy, their average monthly wage over in those countries is like only 5% of what we get paid in the western world, whilst we get paid 1500 dollars a month on average, they only get 60, so they capitalize of the fact that westerners are willing to pay their fat cash for ingame items.
There is nothing wrong with admitting the fact that this is happening when its the truth.
Besides all this though, its obvious what is going on here and i hope CCP is going to take action.
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Gierling
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Gierling on 31/07/2006 03:42:13 I'm not calling you a racist, nor do I believe you to be one.
I'm just pointing out the utter and absolute truth that this thread will be locked because you are a racist, and whether you are indeed a racist or not in reality has absolutely no consequence in the face of the insurmountable ineviteblity of that outcome.
Also, many in the the western world consider things racist even if thier true... actually especially so. So I wouldn't use that as a defense.
The sod-sucking truth is just that this thread is going to be locked, and your going to need to use more nonspecific and/or ethnicity affirming language when you post it again.
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St Dragon
THE SHADOWS ASSASSINS
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:40:00 -
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I will just say farming gold selling etc is done in eastern europe too you know at a similar scale.
I watched it on Panorama about 5-7 months ago. Basically one example they highlighted was these two people Russian i think who had over 100 computers in a big room running multiple online accounts using macros. They would reguly check up on the various accounts to make sure things were going smoothly.
So point is its not just the asians doing it its the europeans too. -----------------------------------------------
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand |
Blind Man
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:43:00 -
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LOL, ISK SELLERS
KILLROCK'S FORUM ASSISTANT
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Thora'n
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: St Dragon I will just say farming gold selling etc is done in eastern europe too you know at a similar scale.
I watched it on Panorama about 5-7 months ago. Basically one example they highlighted was these two people Russian i think who had over 100 computers in a big room running multiple online accounts using macros. They would reguly check up on the various accounts to make sure things were going smoothly.
So point is its not just the asians doing it its the europeans too.
I am going to be extremely sad if this thread gets ignored and locked and i continue to see this activity taking places on our very game forums, it makes me sick to think that this is happening and right in front of CCP's noses aswell, the game that we all loved to play is becoming some money making machine for all kinds of dodgy people and companies. These ones in paticular though have made it so obvious as to what they are doing, if nothing is done i am going to be very sad.
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Lord Slater
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:44:00 -
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at OP ----------------------------------------------- YYAARRHH HAHAHA IM THE HAPPY PIRATE
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Thora'n
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Slater at OP
What is your problem with me? I've noticed isk sellers right here on our very own sell order forums and reported it to ccp in the hope that they take action, what have you done again?
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Alazais
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:48:00 -
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Problem is you've been blunt in the making of this thread, too specific and as a result we've ended up discussing racism.... regardless of you intending it. Where is that moddie? :p
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Thora'n
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Posted - 2006.07.31 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Alazais Problem is you've been blunt in the making of this thread, too specific and as a result we've ended up discussing racism.... regardless of you intending it. Where is that moddie? :p
Right, i've made a version of the thread that has no reason to get locked, so please use that thread from now on.
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Coniglietta Magica
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.31 04:14:00 -
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Edited by: Coniglietta Magica on 31/07/2006 04:14:17 what has happened is it now costs isk sellers less to buy a gtc then it does to farm the isk,
it is now 17.99 to buy 100m isk.
the going rate for 90 days is 310M isk
to buy the card is approx 35.00
they make 53.97 off each 300 M isk sale
Thats an 18.97 profit... I bet they make alot more this way.
Great to see that they managed to artifically inflate the gtc prices above the cost to purchase eve isk..
Sorry it had to be said. This is what is going on.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.31 04:29:00 -
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Edited by: Verite Rendition on 31/07/2006 04:30:08
Originally by: Coniglietta Magica Edited by: Coniglietta Magica on 31/07/2006 04:14:17 what has happened is it now costs isk sellers less to buy a gtc then it does to farm the isk,
it is now 17.99 to buy 100m isk.
the going rate for 90 days is 310M isk
to buy the card is approx 35.00
they make 53.97 off each 300 M isk sale
Thats an 18.97 profit... I bet they make alot more this way.
Great to see that they managed to artifically inflate the gtc prices above the cost to purchase eve isk..
Sorry it had to be said. This is what is going on.
On behalf of the "I don't get it commission," what idiot is currently paying more than the current GTC-to-ISK ratio for isk? ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
AlexCA
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.31 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Thora'n
Anyone whos ever heard asians attempt to talk english will know for sure that these guys selling the timecodes are asians.
And there I was thinking my english was of an acceptable standard. Guess that must be my Dutch half doing the english. Oh yeah, The people actually running these in game money selling things are often western shady types. only the operation of the farming op is done by people in poor countries due too low wages. And dont you hate it when people make their signature look like part of their post? |
Laramon Questor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition Edited by: Verite Rendition on 31/07/2006 04:30:08
Originally by: Coniglietta Magica Edited by: Coniglietta Magica on 31/07/2006 04:14:17 what has happened is it now costs isk sellers less to buy a gtc then it does to farm the isk,
it is now 17.99 to buy 100m isk.
the going rate for 90 days is 310M isk
to buy the card is approx 35.00
they make 53.97 off each 300 M isk sale
Thats an 18.97 profit... I bet they make alot more this way.
Great to see that they managed to artifically inflate the gtc prices above the cost to purchase eve isk..
Sorry it had to be said. This is what is going on.
On behalf of the "I don't get it commission," what idiot is currently paying more than the current GTC-to-ISK ratio for isk?
I have a great sig that I was once proud of. After much moderation, I've found the world will never see it again. |
Laramon Questor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.31 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition Edited by: Verite Rendition on 31/07/2006 04:30:08
Originally by: Coniglietta Magica Edited by: Coniglietta Magica on 31/07/2006 04:14:17 what has happened is it now costs isk sellers less to buy a gtc then it does to farm the isk,
it is now 17.99 to buy 100m isk.
the going rate for 90 days is 310M isk
to buy the card is approx 35.00
they make 53.97 off each 300 M isk sale
Thats an 18.97 profit... I bet they make alot more this way.
Great to see that they managed to artifically inflate the gtc prices above the cost to purchase eve isk..
Sorry it had to be said. This is what is going on.
On behalf of the "I don't get it commission," what idiot is currently paying more than the current GTC-to-ISK ratio for isk?
I agree fully. When I can buy a GTC from CCP for $15 and legitimately get between 100 and 140mil isk, why would I pay $18 for 100mil?
/me is boggled I have a great sig that I was once proud of. After much moderation, I've found the world will never see it again. |
Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.07.31 05:45:00 -
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Whats with all the americans buying timecodes from Asian timecode sellers?
Would the poster above me please stand up? |
Tachy
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Posted - 2006.07.31 06:00:00 -
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In most games the most ingame stuff is sold and bought in the US. By a huge margin. The US often comes in with a nice 70-80% share of the cake.
Search the web a bit and you will find a couple of studies about this.
This doesn't tell that the orders you link aren't from one or more persons of Asian decent, or from someone copying someone with ... you know ...
I generally do not edit out the 'edited' entry when I edit my posts. To much hassle and it screws with readers. --*=*=*--
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