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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6070
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:25:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote: The kills are de-whored. If your corp scored 0.01% damage on a 100B titan, you get bounty after 10M kills, not 100B.
you've been told why this is a stupid way of attributing damage before I'm actually curious as to why this is the case. Could you elaborate? Even on an alliance level, if you look at the efficiency of individual corps, it's always something ridiculously high because the corps get all of the credit for everything the alliance kills (assuming they have at least 1 guy participating) while only being "deducted" for their own corp losses. Thus, even the shittiest member corp in...say... CVA will always have a very good efficiency on the corp level, even if their alliance is getting farmed by PL. This becomes doubly true in coalition-level fights.
If a sole Buzzard tackles a Dread & holds it for 5 minutes while reinforcements arrive, that kill happened solely because that one guy in the Buzzard tackled the Dread, but he's being given zero credit for the kill because he did no damage. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
Damon Messer
Emergent Mining Et Al.
57
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:26:00 -
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Gevlon, i've thought of a plan to finally end the evil! For the sake of success, I cannot divulge more information at this time, but I need some financial support. Send me 10b isk so I can carry out this plan! |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4202
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:27:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote: The kills are de-whored. If your corp scored 0.01% damage on a 100B titan, you get bounty after 10M kills, not 100B.
you've been told why this is a stupid way of attributing damage before I'm actually curious as to why this is the case. Could you elaborate? Even on an alliance level, if you look at the efficiency of individual corps, it's always something ridiculously high because the corps get all of the credit for everything the alliance kills (assuming they have at least 1 guy participating) while only being "deducted" for their own corp losses. Thus, even the shittiest member corp in...say... CVA will always have a very good efficiency on the corp level, even if their alliance is getting farmed by PL. This becomes doubly true in coalition-level fights. There's loads of reasons, like for example podded people dropping off of kills after a while even if they were critical to the fight. Mainly though it's support. Support roles don't do damage, but whole kills may not have even happened if the support roles weren't there. You won't kills titans without tackling them for example. Someone may be throwing out damage like a beast in a battle, but again, if there wasn't logi holding him up he might be dust in a couple of minutes.
The main thing to take away is that damage alone is not a true reflection of the battle, and far more than that contributes to a kill, so basing everything off of damage is ignoring all but a single factor. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
2085
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:44:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote: The kills are de-whored. If your corp scored 0.01% damage on a 100B titan, you get bounty after 10M kills, not 100B.
you've been told why this is a stupid way of attributing damage before I'm actually curious as to why this is the case. Could you elaborate? Even on an alliance level, if you look at the efficiency of individual corps, it's always something ridiculously high because the corps get all of the credit for everything the alliance kills (assuming they have at least 1 guy participating) while only being "deducted" for their own corp losses. Thus, even the shittiest member corp in...say... CVA will always have a very good efficiency on the corp level, even if their alliance is getting farmed by PL. This becomes doubly true in coalition-level fights. If a sole Buzzard tackles a Dread & holds it for 5 minutes while reinforcements arrive, that kill happened solely because that one guy in the Buzzard tackled the Dread, but he's being given zero credit for the kill because he did no damage. Yeah, but that's the rare exception rather then the rule.
Seems to me that 99% of the time the situation would be exactly as I described it, but vOv.
Lucas Kell wrote: The main thing to take away is that damage alone is not a true reflection of the battle, and far more than that contributes to a kill, so basing everything off of damage is ignoring all but a single factor.
Well yeah, all kb stats are flawed to a degree. The question is weather "de-whored" stats are more flawed than "whored" stats. So far, I'm not convinced but w/e. |
xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
112
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Posted - 2014.09.09 08:03:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:Christian Lionbate wrote:Graph or it never happened. Gladly! Here is the ratting graph of Deklein during the test run of the project. I paid MoA to have a ratter-hunting spree to see if it is possible to sabotage ratting. Did you compensate for the amount of people on deployment? I'd hate for something like that to get in the way of this Goonswarm morale project.
You mean how goons basically lived in delve from 9 August to 7 September?
Or the fact the only reason our ratting numbers are higher is the fact we were deployed in Deklein and our members could burn home to rat as long as they made the strat ops? |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
283
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Posted - 2014.09.09 08:17:00 -
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Yes, de-whoring is unfair to support-only pilots, but we are comparing corps here. And in my monthly reports: alliances.
Or are you claiming that some corps only fly tackle, logi and Ewar, while others only fly damage dealers? My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com |
P'tank
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2014.09.09 08:35:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:P'tank wrote:I'm all in for pew pew without the need to deploy half across the map to find a few decent fights. So I beg you all, please reinforce our pos's, target our miners and ratters and bring hell on our isk printing home. I'm starting to really like this Gevlon guy. Who would have thought that he would become the mascot for anti-boredom in the CFC. I for one am appreciative of this free service that he has provided to the CFC as a whole.
Since Branch is one of the most rewarding regions in the universe, we are all rich as ****. Therefore I'm putting an extra spare pvp carrier, a shield and armor triage carrier and a dread to the cause. Nicely parked in Branch. That's 10bil I'm putting on this, so you'd better bring it.
How long has it actually been since someone successfully captured a station system in one of the CFC home regions? I'm starting to consider actually paying our enemies to attack us ... I guess being hostile to the CFC must be pretty scary. |
Nioda
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2014.09.09 09:29:00 -
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intel channel still isnt blinking. hurry please |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6074
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Posted - 2014.09.09 09:40:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Or are you claiming that some corps only fly tackle, logi and Ewar, while others only fly damage dealers?
It depends on the situation, but they do exist. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Nadezda Morozovovna
Deadly Harmony Fidelas Constans
17
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Posted - 2014.09.09 10:04:00 -
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If you send me 10b, ill selfdestruct all my isktars! |
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4202
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Posted - 2014.09.09 10:35:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Well yeah, all kb stats are flawed to a degree. The question is whether "de-whored" stats are more flawed than "whored" stats. So far, I'm not convinced but w/e. Well that depends how you look at it. Since he's looking at how much a given corporation contributed to a kill, either way the killboard wont tell the whole story, but a dewhored kill will show it even less.
Gevlon Goblin wrote:Or are you claiming that some corps only fly tackle, logi and Ewar, while others only fly damage dealers? A corp may only have one or two people in a given battle, so yes, it's very possible to only have logi for example. That's why we use participation links which log what ship you are in and reward for support roles as well as DPS roles. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
858
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:14:00 -
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/facepalms
Welp.
Here we go again.
Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
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Lady Spank
The Intaki Ladies Deep Space Astrogation Auxiliary
3603
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:23:00 -
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Gevlon, you still havent indicated exactly why Goons are categorically evil. I'm genuinely interested in your motives but just 'evil' doesn't explain much. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
858
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:26:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Gevlon, you still havent indicated exactly why Goons are categorically evil. I'm genuinely interested in your motives but just 'evil' doesn't explain much.
He's still upset about getting banned from 4chan.
Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
736
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:58:00 -
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if gevlon did not exist it would be necessary to create him so that we could point to our enemies as obeying the very avatar of autism
guess we'll just have to camp moa into their station again :ohdear: |
P'tank
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:51:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:
To facilitate the hunt in Branch, I hereby offer 20B every month, starting from September (including the kills already happened this month).
Hi
I'm a wealthy player quitting Eve. I support your cause, therefore I've got a one time special offer to double your isk. Please send me the 20B you've reserved for september and I'll double it. After I've received 20B, I will send you 40B a soon as I log on. I might even triple it to 60B if you are nice to me.
Keep in mind this an official written document which can be enforced by a court of law. I hereby will officially add my digital signature to this post:
Digital signature:
P'tank |
Patrios Nolen
Ship Trading Company Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2014.09.09 16:38:00 -
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Content at home? Wow, how nice of you. You are really welcome.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33469087/Goblin/Goblin.png |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6082
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:22:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Gevlon, you still havent indicated exactly why Goons are categorically evil. I'm genuinely interested in your motives but just 'evil' doesn't explain much.
He did actually. You see the evil goon man said lol & rejected his application to join goonwaffe. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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P'tank
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
6
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Posted - 2014.09.09 19:23:00 -
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This!!! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11148
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Posted - 2014.09.09 20:26:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Gevlon, you still havent indicated exactly why Goons are categorically evil. I'm genuinely interested in your motives but just 'evil' doesn't explain much. He did actually. You see the evil goon man said lol & rejected his application to join goonwaffe.
and that apparently makes us racists! Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6082
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Posted - 2014.09.09 20:28:00 -
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Andski wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Gevlon, you still havent indicated exactly why Goons are categorically evil. I'm genuinely interested in your motives but just 'evil' doesn't explain much. He did actually. You see the evil goon man said lol & rejected his application to join goonwaffe. and that apparently makes us racists!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dAUYAg8mAQ This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Scar Tripitaka
X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1
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Posted - 2014.09.09 20:56:00 -
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Oi! Gobbler!
Come ahead ya tw4t ;)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ocf6o6rchf3pv7b/Scar%20loves%20you.png?dl=0 |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
923
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Posted - 2014.09.09 21:35:00 -
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Raiz Nhell wrote:Who's got the popcorn? Pass it round...
It's genuinely not a prudent idea to pass around popcorn smeared with butter when the majority of people dipping their hands into the bucket probably never washed them the last time they went to the toilet. Concord Approved Trader |
Solecist Project
9872
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Posted - 2014.09.09 23:05:00 -
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This thread is a bit like the Who's Who of EVE ONLINE....
Kane's missing. Monk's missing. Don's missing.
Well we still got lots of pages left ................. ~ Signatures are too small for the huge amount of crap I can throw at you ~ ~ In case of emergency, blame a random person. He *will* get arrested! ~ I AM FORCING LITERALLY FORCING YOU YOU TO REREAD THIS! GÖí GÖÑ THE CODE ALWAYS WINS-áGÖÑ GÖí |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2135
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Posted - 2014.09.09 23:39:00 -
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At least I'm here...
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Chad Ramsbottom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2014.09.09 23:51:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Gevlon, you still havent indicated exactly why Goons are categorically evil. I'm genuinely interested in your motives but just 'evil' doesn't explain much. He did actually. You see the evil goon man said lol & rejected his application to join goonwaffe.
Oh darn >mfw your bottom |
Solecist Project
9874
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Posted - 2014.09.10 00:15:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:At least I'm here... By far my favourite, the peoples favourite, and the most competent ISD regarding how to handle things and people.
~ Signatures are too small for the huge amount of crap I can throw at you ~ ~ In case of emergency, blame a random person. He *will* get arrested! ~ I AM FORCING LITERALLY FORCING YOU YOU TO REREAD THIS! GÖí GÖÑ THE CODE ALWAYS WINS-áGÖÑ GÖí |
ZAKURELL0 LINDA
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
57
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Posted - 2014.09.10 01:53:00 -
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[img]http://diablo.incgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/goblin-pose1.jpg[/img]
hey i found a self portrait, is that you goblin? RIP Iron Lady |
xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
113
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Posted - 2014.09.10 03:45:00 -
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FYI the best day to come into the North to hunt the dreaded goons and fcon is sept 13th. |
Cherry Yeyo
78
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Posted - 2014.09.10 04:09:00 -
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Hey Goblin! Looks like this pet was out of the zone!
https://zkillboard.com/kill/41177894/ CCP Rise>Sentry drones have enormous downsides |
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