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Anslo
Scope Works
11865
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:02:00 -
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The fact that you people are arguing over the ethics of a journalist assisting in freeing some tortured prisoners oddly doesn't surprised me. Facetiousness aside, eggers seem to be to turn even the most well meant acts into some tool to attack the individual involved in said well meant act.
Ok she's a journalist who helped free people. Rightly so. Even if it was to the Amarr, it's better than leaving them with Nappy. But can you people just give her a pat on the back and some kudos? Nope you gotta debate the credibility of her character due to your ******* interpretation of ethics. It's ******* pathetic.
Jandice, you did good. Damn good. Well done. To her haters? **** off.
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
13
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:05:00 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Not all science is empirical. Math largely isn't empirical.
Now this right here is a hefty claim indeed. You will most definitely have to provide adequate evidence for the to be even remotely considered true.
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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
398
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:14:00 -
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Vizage wrote:Confidently asserting that a theory or hypothesis is true or false even though the theory or hypothesis cannot possibly be contradicted by an observation or the outcome of any physical experiment, usually without strong evidence or good reasons. Making unfalsifiable claims is a way to leave the realm of rational discourse, since unfalsifiable claims are often faith-based, and not founded on evidence and reason.
Now, did I make an assertion in regard to the truth of any hypothesis, that is not a logical fallacy... By the way, falsification can be done in non-epirical ways.
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
13
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:15:00 -
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[quote=Nicoletta Mithra
By the way, (A-äC)GåÆB Gê¦ (A-äB)GåÆC is a fallacy, if you employ the material implication. It's a variance of affirming the consequence.[/quote]
Thank you for proving my point. ;)
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:16:00 -
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Continuing to claim non-empirical science without providing the requested evidence for its very existence isn't very convincing.
P. S. Apologize for the formatting issues my interface is on the fritz. |
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
400
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:17:00 -
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If you have a point, it flies just past me, as it just doesn't fit to what I said. |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:20:00 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:If you have a point, it flies just past me, as it just doesn't fit to what I said.
You point was you just used empirical math to prove a logical fallacy. |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:24:00 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Vizage wrote:Confidently asserting that a theory or hypothesis is true or false even though the theory or hypothesis cannot possibly be contradicted by an observation or the outcome of any physical experiment, usually without strong evidence or good reasons. Making unfalsifiable claims is a way to leave the realm of rational discourse, since unfalsifiable claims are often faith-based, and not founded on evidence and reason.
Now, did I make an assertion in regard to the truth of any hypothesis? That is not even a logical fallacy... By the way, falsification can be done in non-epirical ways.
Your claim that philosophy is non-empirical science is the assertion I am referring to.
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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
400
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:24:00 -
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Vizage wrote:Nicoletta Mithra wrote:If you have a point, it flies just past me, as it just doesn't fit to what I said. You point was you just used empirical math to prove a logical fallacy. You are aware that this statement doesn't make sense on so many levels? I won't respond any further to this nonsensical babble. I suggest you start thinking before writing, and reading before thinking, if you are able to do so.
Everything else has been quite eloquently said by Cpt. Anslo, though I'd like to extend it to the non journalists: Well done, to all that brought that heretic down and rescued the poeple from his vile clutches. |
Anslo
Scope Works
11870
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:25:00 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:eloquently said by Cpt. Anslo. Why thank ya~
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Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
148
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:34:00 -
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Vizage, and others... I am sure Directrix Mithra would be happy to engage you in further debate elsewhere...
As to the subject of this thread, I doubt the heretic will cease his blasphemies, but for now at least this one has been put to an end. |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:36:00 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Vizage wrote:Nicoletta Mithra wrote:If you have a point, it flies just past me, as it just doesn't fit to what I said. You point was you just used empirical math to prove a logical fallacy. You are aware that this statement doesn't make sense on so many levels? I won't respond any further to this nonsensical babble. I suggest you start thinking before writing, and reading before thinking, if you are able to do so.
It makes perfect sense. What you depicted was the mathematical example of affirming the consequence.
I'll take your attacks against me, instead of my points as a sign that you've emptied your fallacious arsenal.
Do hope you have a good day though.
Regards.
-V |
Anslo
Scope Works
11881
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:38:00 -
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Must be that time of the month I guess?
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6356
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:01:00 -
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This thread certainly took a theatrical turn.
Someone be sure to nudge me when it's time to blow up more of Nauplius's assets. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
401
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:05:00 -
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Mitara Newelle wrote:Vizage, and others... I am sure Directrix Mithra would be happy to engage you in further debate elsewhere...
As to the subject of this thread, I doubt the heretic will cease his blasphemies, but for now at least this one has been put to an end. With all due respect, Admiral, I'm quite sure I wouldn't be happy to engage Ms. Vizage's strawmen anywhere. |
Anslo
Scope Works
11887
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:06:00 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Mitara Newelle wrote:Vizage, and others... I am sure Directrix Mithra would be happy to engage you in further debate elsewhere...
As to the subject of this thread, I doubt the heretic will cease his blasphemies, but for now at least this one has been put to an end. With all due respect, Admiral, I'm quite sure I wouldn't be happy to engage Ms. Vizage's strawmen anywhere. Could engage in something else though.
Involving bullets.
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:14:00 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Mitara Newelle wrote:Vizage, and others... I am sure Directrix Mithra would be happy to engage you in further debate elsewhere...
As to the subject of this thread, I doubt the heretic will cease his blasphemies, but for now at least this one has been put to an end. With all due respect, Admiral, I'm quite sure I wouldn't be happy to engage Ms. Vizage's strawmen anywhere.
The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.
You're welcome to highlight at which point I set up this supposed straw man argument. Otherwise I'll just safely assuming you were hoping I wouldn't actually know what you were talking about, and let it slip by uncontested. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
735
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:24:00 -
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Regarding the complaints against Ms. Ymladris's contributions to the assault, I will echo the assertion that there is no integrity in standing aside against threats like Blood Raiders, who are enemies of all CONCORD signataries. Criminals don't deserve equal rights or neutral coverage. |
Jace Sarice
9456
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:25:00 -
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Vizage wrote: The entire concept of peer review is based on the default position of scepticism and challenges.
Yes, your default position is a particular form of skepticism - not 'science.' If 'science' had a default position, 'philosophy of science' would not be a subset of inquiry. The vast majority of the nonsense in the last part of this thread could easily be avoided if you organized your terminology and used it properly instead of conflating disparate concepts. |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
21
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:31:00 -
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Jace Sarice wrote:Vizage wrote: The entire concept of peer review is based on the default position of scepticism and challenges.
Yes, your default position is a particular form of skepticism - not 'science.' If 'science' had a default position, 'philosophy of science' would not be a subset of inquiry. The vast majority of the nonsense in the last part of this thread could easily be avoided if you organized your terminology and used it properly instead of conflating disparate concepts.
Sorry but that's a false equivalency. Just because the scientific method requires a default position of scepticism does not in anyway refute the Philosophy of science. Self criticism requires a method just as standard criticism does.
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Anslo
Scope Works
11887
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:33:00 -
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So I managed to read through Vizies argument here, and from what I can get, Mithra is saying morality falls under the pervue of philosophy (which has VERY different standards in terms of research, analysis, etc), while...Vizage says it isn't? I'm sorry, but I prefer to the point statements/arguments. A bit too much flowery language and beating around the bush for me to actually find out what all the anger is about.
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Jace Sarice
9456
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:43:00 -
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Vizage wrote: Just because the scientific method requires a default position of scepticism . . .
This was one of the conflations I was speaking of. But I believe Ms. Mithra was correct in leaving this discussion. Nothing useful will come of it. |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:51:00 -
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Jace Sarice wrote:Vizage wrote: Just because the scientific method requires a default position of scepticism . . . This was one of the conflations I was speaking of. But I believe Ms. Mithra was correct in leaving this discussion. Nothing useful will come of it.
The chief characteristic which distinguishes the scientific method from other methods of acquiring knowledge is that scientists seek to let reality speak for itself, supporting a theory when a theory's predictions are confirmed and challenging a theory when its predictions prove false.
I'm unsure how exactly I'm conflating the two? |
Anslo
Scope Works
11889
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:52:00 -
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Because different fields support said theories in different ways? What supports theories in natural sciences does not necessarily work for those in the philosophical realm.
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Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
149
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Posted - 2014.09.15 19:08:00 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Mitara Newelle wrote:Vizage, and others... I am sure Directrix Mithra would be happy to engage you in further debate elsewhere...
As to the subject of this thread, I doubt the heretic will cease his blasphemies, but for now at least this one has been put to an end. With all due respect, Admiral, I'm quite sure I wouldn't be happy to engage Ms. Vizage's strawmen anywhere.
Apologies, Directrix, I stand corrected.
It seems as though the not-so-subtle hint of a different venue was lost on some anyways. |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1370
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Posted - 2014.09.15 19:15:00 -
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Mitara Newelle wrote:It seems as though the not-so-subtle hint of a different venue was lost on some anyways. It will probably take a few more pages before it gets noticed, as is normal on the IGS.
Unfortunately.
What a refreshing change it would be, to not have this kind of nonsense, even if only for a week. Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar Owner, The Golden Masque
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
764
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Posted - 2014.09.15 19:22:00 -
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I wonder what it'd be replaced with, then? I am imagining a hollow and desolate wasteland. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
952
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Posted - 2014.09.15 20:29:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:I wonder what it'd be replaced with, then? I am imagining a hollow and desolate wasteland.
Word games, riddles and the like. That would be entertaining... The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1253
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Posted - 2014.09.15 22:09:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Regarding the complaints against Ms. Ymladris's contributions to the assault, I will echo the assertion that there is no integrity in standing aside against threats like Blood Raiders, who are enemies of all CONCORD signataries. Criminals don't deserve equal rights or neutral coverage. There are things way worse than just criminals: Federals, Republicans and Sansha. And, to be honest, I would prefer equal rights and neutral coverage of criminals, than equal rights and neutral coverage of Gallente Federation, Minmatar Republic and Sansha Nation. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
952
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Posted - 2014.09.16 00:04:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Regarding the complaints against Ms. Ymladris's contributions to the assault, I will echo the assertion that there is no integrity in standing aside against threats like Blood Raiders, who are enemies of all CONCORD signataries. Criminals don't deserve equal rights or neutral coverage. There are things way worse than just criminals: Federals, Republicans and Sansha. And, to be honest, I would prefer equal rights and neutral coverage of criminals, than equal rights and neutral coverage of Gallente Federation, Minmatar Republic and Sansha Nation. And we would prefer you lay off us for a thread or two, we all get to leave disappointed. YAY EQUALITY!! The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
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