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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4640
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:39:00 -
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blue dehazon wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:
A massive amount of players have no interest in pvp, get over it.
Then they're playing the wrong game. Interest in PVP is not required to force someone into it, whether they're wardecced or not. CODE proves this on a daily basis. What you're suggesting is counterproductive to the entire nature of EVE. What you're actually suggesting is a game that is not EVE. You are literally playing the wrong game if this is what you are expecting from it. I'm actually playing the game EXACTLY as I want to, therefore i'm playing it correctly and enjoying it. On the other hand players like yourself that can't play the way you want and just demand change to force everyone into your play style really are struggling to enjoy the game. If you can't or don't want to play as the game let's you, hey, close the door as you leave, and please don't slam it. Agre thers plenty of pvp games wher you cant bail out on pvp,and a lott of them dont cost you a dime to play.
K, go play one of them, I won't stop you. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Dave Stark
6860
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:40:00 -
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Tam Arai wrote:i think there should be an industrial wardec available.
If you receive one of these wardecs, you can no longer use the market or contracts or access anything already in any hangars and you have to produce anything that you want to use yourself.
it would be hilarious seeing people putting mining lasers on hacs and shooting asteroids so that they can manufacture some ammo to use
gank someone and get concorded? use your noobship to mine the material required to build and fit your new tornado/ catalyst
or just get your alt to supply your character from the hangar of an orca. |
Dave Stark
6860
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:45:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So what I'm hearing is that NPC corps are incredibly skewed in terms of their Risk vs Reward ratio?
Sounds like that needs fixed to me. i wouldn't say skewed in terms of risk vs reward is the issue, but they sure as **** need fixing. Sure it is. By being in an NPC corp, they are able to drastically reduce their risk, without really effecting their reward at all. And that's just flies in the face of the entire concept of Risk vs Reward. sure it does. that's not because npc corp's risk is too low, it's because player corps reward isn't high enough. How would one reward corps though? As it is, null/WH are barely worth the increased risk of lack of CONCORD. Low is a complete joke. Any further increase to high-sec rewards would break the balance even further. The best solution in my eyes (and some others) is to nerf NPC corps to hell. This become the new "default" level of income in high-sec as all players start in an NPC corp. Player corps receive increased rewards comparatively, but no net gain when compared to their rewards right now.
that's the beauty of making player corps less **** - everyone benefits regardless of where they play. you're changing corps, not high sec. |
blue dehazon
Vega Farscape
27
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:blue dehazon wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:
A massive amount of players have no interest in pvp, get over it.
Then they're playing the wrong game. Interest in PVP is not required to force someone into it, whether they're wardecced or not. CODE proves this on a daily basis. What you're suggesting is counterproductive to the entire nature of EVE. What you're actually suggesting is a game that is not EVE. You are literally playing the wrong game if this is what you are expecting from it. I'm actually playing the game EXACTLY as I want to, therefore i'm playing it correctly and enjoying it. On the other hand players like yourself that can't play the way you want and just demand change to force everyone into your play style really are struggling to enjoy the game. If you can't or don't want to play as the game let's you, hey, close the door as you leave, and please don't slam it. Agre thers plenty of pvp games wher you cant bail out on pvp,and a lott of them dont cost you a dime to play. K, go play one of them, I won't stop you. its you that have an issiu with howe the game works so asking me to live seems a bit silly |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:46:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Tam Arai wrote:i think there should be an industrial wardec available.
If you receive one of these wardecs, you can no longer use the market or contracts or access anything already in any hangars and you have to produce anything that you want to use yourself.
it would be hilarious seeing people putting mining lasers on hacs and shooting asteroids so that they can manufacture some ammo to use
gank someone and get concorded? use your noobship to mine the material required to build and fit your new tornado/ catalyst or just get your alt to supply your character from the hangar of an orca.
no- cant do that under industrial wardec either... there is no mechanic round it at all.
you have to mine and produce yourself |
Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:47:00 -
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WH is actually quite worth it indeed. Not mining, but certainly doing sites. Just gonna go and get my coffee now... |
Dave Stark
6861
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:48:00 -
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Tam Arai wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tam Arai wrote:i think there should be an industrial wardec available.
If you receive one of these wardecs, you can no longer use the market or contracts or access anything already in any hangars and you have to produce anything that you want to use yourself.
it would be hilarious seeing people putting mining lasers on hacs and shooting asteroids so that they can manufacture some ammo to use
gank someone and get concorded? use your noobship to mine the material required to build and fit your new tornado/ catalyst or just get your alt to supply your character from the hangar of an orca. no- cant do that under industrial wardec either... there is no mechanic round it at all. you have to mine and produce yourself
so basically what you're saying is "i want players to be forced to do nothing but mining and industry jobs". and how much of a reduction in subscription fee are you giving them for not allowing them to access 90% of the game's content?
edit: in fact, you're not even being that generous... you want them to do it with basic things like "board ship" and scooping from jetcans removed. that's stupid on a monolithic scale. |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:52:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Tam Arai wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tam Arai wrote:i think there should be an industrial wardec available.
If you receive one of these wardecs, you can no longer use the market or contracts or access anything already in any hangars and you have to produce anything that you want to use yourself.
it would be hilarious seeing people putting mining lasers on hacs and shooting asteroids so that they can manufacture some ammo to use
gank someone and get concorded? use your noobship to mine the material required to build and fit your new tornado/ catalyst or just get your alt to supply your character from the hangar of an orca. no- cant do that under industrial wardec either... there is no mechanic round it at all. you have to mine and produce yourself so basically what you're saying is "i want players to be forced to do nothing but mining and industry jobs". and how much of a reduction in subscription fee are you giving them for not allowing them to access 90% of the game's content?
yes
A pvp corp can wardec a mining corp and try and force it to pvp
with my idea being introduced, a mining corp can wardec a pvp corp and force them to mine
It all seems quite balanced and introduces a new form of pvp to the game.
whats not to like? |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4640
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:53:00 -
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Tam Arai wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tam Arai wrote:i think there should be an industrial wardec available.
If you receive one of these wardecs, you can no longer use the market or contracts or access anything already in any hangars and you have to produce anything that you want to use yourself.
it would be hilarious seeing people putting mining lasers on hacs and shooting asteroids so that they can manufacture some ammo to use
gank someone and get concorded? use your noobship to mine the material required to build and fit your new tornado/ catalyst or just get your alt to supply your character from the hangar of an orca. no- cant do that under industrial wardec either... there is no mechanic round it at all. you have to mine and produce yourself
This is probably over the top, but I think it's an idea that could be hashed out under a mechanic of Corporation Boycotts maybe. It's too extreme how you've outlined it, there definitely needs to be a counter. Of course, you can already deny corporations access to trade hubs by simply using normal wardec mechanics and being at the trade hubs and on the trade routes when they are. Marmite specialise in it, and do quite well. There is a counter to this: using NPC alts to get your stuff, and take it to where you are. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
blue dehazon
Vega Farscape
27
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:54:00 -
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Tam Arai wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tam Arai wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tam Arai wrote:i think there should be an industrial wardec available.
If you receive one of these wardecs, you can no longer use the market or contracts or access anything already in any hangars and you have to produce anything that you want to use yourself.
it would be hilarious seeing people putting mining lasers on hacs and shooting asteroids so that they can manufacture some ammo to use
gank someone and get concorded? use your noobship to mine the material required to build and fit your new tornado/ catalyst or just get your alt to supply your character from the hangar of an orca. no- cant do that under industrial wardec either... there is no mechanic round it at all. you have to mine and produce yourself so basically what you're saying is "i want players to be forced to do nothing but mining and industry jobs". and how much of a reduction in subscription fee are you giving them for not allowing them to access 90% of the game's content? yes A pvp corp can wardec a mining corp and try and force it to pvp with my idea being introduced, a mining corp can wardec a pvp corp and force them to mine It all seems quite balanced and introduces a new form of pvp to the game. whats not to like? Trolling
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Dave Stark
6861
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:55:00 -
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Tam Arai wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tam Arai wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tam Arai wrote:i think there should be an industrial wardec available.
If you receive one of these wardecs, you can no longer use the market or contracts or access anything already in any hangars and you have to produce anything that you want to use yourself.
it would be hilarious seeing people putting mining lasers on hacs and shooting asteroids so that they can manufacture some ammo to use
gank someone and get concorded? use your noobship to mine the material required to build and fit your new tornado/ catalyst or just get your alt to supply your character from the hangar of an orca. no- cant do that under industrial wardec either... there is no mechanic round it at all. you have to mine and produce yourself so basically what you're saying is "i want players to be forced to do nothing but mining and industry jobs". and how much of a reduction in subscription fee are you giving them for not allowing them to access 90% of the game's content? yes A pvp corp can wardec a mining corp and try and force it to pvp with my idea being introduced, a mining corp can wardec a pvp corp and force them to mine It all seems quite balanced and introduces a new form of pvp to the game. whats not to like?
no, you can't force anyone to pvp. nobody can force you to log in, or undock.
no, with your idea you're removing half of the basic functions needed to even do *anything* in eve, your idea has less thought in it than pissing in to the wind.
if that seems balanced to you, then your scales have a fat lady sitting on one side of them. it's not even sensbile, much less balanced.
what's not to like? well, all of it since it has had 0 thought in to it and removing basic things like being able to board ships and open jetcans is just comical. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4640
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:56:00 -
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Don't mind David, he's been consistently angry tonight like an angsty teenager who just discovered Santa isn't real. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
21
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:58:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:you have two scenarios.
Wardecs being trivially dodged. Wardecs being exploitable to the point of abusive harrassment.
pick one, and only one. It's obvious which one we'll end up with. Err, we already have scenario 2? Most wardecs are used for griefing and harrassing. The 50m wardec cost is pocket change for veteran players.
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Dave Stark
6861
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:59:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Don't mind David, he's been consistently angry tonight like an angsty teenager who just discovered Santa isn't real.
I'm not angry in the slightest. besides, i'm sure you're not that clueless that you'd agree to removing basic functions like boarding ships and scooping jetcans. which is literally what that guy just said he wants to be able to impose on other players.
what do you mean santa isn't real? |
Dave Stark
6861
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Posted - 2014.09.09 12:59:00 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you have two scenarios.
Wardecs being trivially dodged. Wardecs being exploitable to the point of abusive harrassment.
pick one, and only one. It's obvious which one we'll end up with. Err, we already have scenario 2? Most wardecs are used for griefing and harrassing. The 50m wardec cost is pocket change for veteran players.
except we don't, we have scenario 1. hence this thread.
know what else is pocket change for most players, veteran or not, the less than 50m it costs to reform a corporation. |
Charax Bouclier
Emerald Drama Theatrics
71
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:02:00 -
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Perhaps one idea might be to grant some sort of benefit to players of player corporations that is earned over a period of time that they are in said corporation. If you drop corp, you start from ground zero again. This might encourage players to stick it out through a wardec if they are derivng a decent benefit from doing so. |
malcovas Henderson
THoF
234
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:05:00 -
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There is so much I think that is a personal interpretation here
Now in my opinion only. (Stressed). A Wardec is placed upon the Corp only. You might be WDing a Corp to get at a specific person, But all you are doing is Wd'ing the Corp, NOT the person.
By that definition alone. I see no reason why people cannot leave the Corp during the WD. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4640
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:10:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:There is so much I think that is a personal interpretation here
Now in my opinion only. (Stressed). A Wardec is placed upon the Corp only. You might be WDing a Corp to get at a specific person, But all you are doing is Wd'ing the Corp, NOT the person.
By that definition alone. I see no reason why people cannot leave the Corp during the WD.
Because when you join one to begin with, you acknowledge the possibility of arbitrary wardecs. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4209
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:12:00 -
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Basically this whole thread is "Waah, I wardec people who have no interest in fighting and they get out of the wardec rather than laying down and letting me gank them repeatedly". Why is it even being entertained? When the people on the other side of the fence suggest changes, they get repeatedly told to HTFU, that is the sandbox.
So HTFU, that is the sandbox. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4640
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:25:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Basically this whole thread is "Waah, I wardec people who have no interest in fighting and they get out of the wardec rather than laying down and letting me gank them repeatedly". Why is it even being entertained? When the people on the other side of the fence suggest changes, they get repeatedly told to HTFU, that is the sandbox.
So HTFU, that is the sandbox.
That's not what this thread is. I'm sure it's easier to dismiss it as such instead of actually attempting some maturity and having a discussion about the points made, but I'm sure you didn't even bother to read it before you came to that conclusion. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
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malcovas Henderson
THoF
235
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:28:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:There is so much I think that is a personal interpretation here
Now in my opinion only. (Stressed). A Wardec is placed upon the Corp only. You might be WDing a Corp to get at a specific person, But all you are doing is Wd'ing the Corp, NOT the person.
By that definition alone. I see no reason why people cannot leave the Corp during the WD. Because when you join one to begin with, you acknowledge the possibility of arbitrary wardecs.
Yes I agree with you, but that does not mean I should be restricted to that corp. As I have said, The WD is aimed at the corp. not the Player. The Corp is still WD'd,( if not rolled. ).
The WD is still Valid to that Corp. Just useless but then you could argue that when you go to WD a corp, you acknowledge that as a possible outcome
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4640
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:30:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:There is so much I think that is a personal interpretation here
Now in my opinion only. (Stressed). A Wardec is placed upon the Corp only. You might be WDing a Corp to get at a specific person, But all you are doing is Wd'ing the Corp, NOT the person.
By that definition alone. I see no reason why people cannot leave the Corp during the WD. Because when you join one to begin with, you acknowledge the possibility of arbitrary wardecs. Yes I agree with you, but that does not mean I should be restricted to that corp. As I have said, The WD is aimed at the corp. not the Player. The Corp is still WD'd,( if not rolled. ). The WD is still Valid to that Corp. Just useless but then you could argue that when you go to WD a corp, you acknowledge that as a possible outcome
That's a good point, touche. I will have some stuff to think about on this topic myself when it concludes, I'm sure.
EDIT: I thought some more, and what I think this is about is, why should that be allowed to be a possible outcome? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
678
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:33:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you have two scenarios.
Wardecs being trivially dodged. Wardecs being exploitable to the point of abusive harrassment.
pick one, and only one. It's obvious which one we'll end up with. There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think in false dichotomies, and penguins. What actually needs to happen is people who make corps agree to the consequence of making a corp - "you can now be pee-vee-pee'd by anyone, anywhere, anytime, and this is how it works...". You tick a little box saying "I accept" and it lets you make a corp. I know on the surface this looks like a "but then everyone will just stay on NPC corps." I agree that's a possibility, but I also disagree that there's no alternative outcome. What if, by virtue of that checkbox, people aspire more to PVP? Not to mention how many newbs it could stop from creating arbitrary corps as if they're WOW guilds and then recruiting other newbs with no ability to lead at all. And then, I still think it should cost isk to fold a corp. Just like the consequence of wardecing a corp and they close shop. You picked a small corp you felt you could bully yet they were small enuff to disband and use available game mechanics to make you waste isk.
Those are your consequences. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4209
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:35:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Basically this whole thread is "Waah, I wardec people who have no interest in fighting and they get out of the wardec rather than laying down and letting me gank them repeatedly". Why is it even being entertained? When the people on the other side of the fence suggest changes, they get repeatedly told to HTFU, that is the sandbox.
So HTFU, that is the sandbox. That's not what this thread is. I'm sure it's easier to dismiss it as such instead of actually attempting some maturity and having a discussion about the points made, but I'm sure you didn't even bother to read it before you came to that conclusion. Of course I've read it and that's exactly what this thread is. The OP doesn't like that once a wardec is declared the defending corp can use available mechanics and avoid it. The OP would prefer that the corp were forced to endure the entirety of the wardec or he should be refunded. As usual, it's perfectly fine for an aggressor to complain about the mechanics the defender uses, but when it's the other way round, they are trying to alter the fabric of EVE and must either put up with it or quit.
I'm all for balanced changes coming in, I'd even be happy to see a restriction on disbanding a corp during a wardec or even a delay on people's ability to leave a defending corp if it came hand in hand with a restriction of 10 aggressive wardecs at a time and the start price of a dec being doubled. But that's not what's wanted. The "merc corps" want cheap wardecs against anyone and everyone and they want the defenders forced to endure their attacks, and they aren't willing to give anything up themselves. It's a completely selfish desire to get their own way.
So no, HTFU. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Prince Kobol
2140
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:35:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Basically this whole thread is "Waah, I wardec people who have no interest in fighting and they get out of the wardec rather than laying down and letting me gank them repeatedly". Why is it even being entertained? When the people on the other side of the fence suggest changes, they get repeatedly told to HTFU, that is the sandbox.
So HTFU, that is the sandbox.
Okay I will spin your argument the other way round.
Basically this whole thread is "Waah, I play a PvP game but I have no interest in PvP so when somebody uses a mechanic designed and implement by the developers of the game to allow people to shoot other people in high sec I quit my corp, cower in a NPC corp and cry on the forums about how unfair it is"
Why is it even being entertained? When the people on the other side of the fence suggest changes, they get repeatedly told to HTFU, that is the sandbox. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4640
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:37:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Dave Stark wrote:you have two scenarios.
Wardecs being trivially dodged. Wardecs being exploitable to the point of abusive harrassment.
pick one, and only one. It's obvious which one we'll end up with. There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think in false dichotomies, and penguins. What actually needs to happen is people who make corps agree to the consequence of making a corp - "you can now be pee-vee-pee'd by anyone, anywhere, anytime, and this is how it works...". You tick a little box saying "I accept" and it lets you make a corp. I know on the surface this looks like a "but then everyone will just stay on NPC corps." I agree that's a possibility, but I also disagree that there's no alternative outcome. What if, by virtue of that checkbox, people aspire more to PVP? Not to mention how many newbs it could stop from creating arbitrary corps as if they're WOW guilds and then recruiting other newbs with no ability to lead at all. And then, I still think it should cost isk to fold a corp. Just like the consequence of wardecing a corp and the yclose shop. You picked a small corp you felt you could bully yet they were small enuff to disband and use available game mechanics to make you waste isk. Those are your consequences.
Again, incorrect, please read the thread. I didn't wardec anyone I thought I could bully. It never happened. All the wars I've been involved in lately have been assists, except for one, which was not declared with the objective of blowing stuff up. If you had a half a brain cell, you'd check my corp war history and see for yourself. The one wardec against one corp I made, I made for the express purpose of stealing the name cuz I knew he was going to roll it.
You people need to read threads before you kneejerk. Seriously. Everyone that is jumping to conclusions here, and avoiding the actual points made, is kneejerking to what they THINK this is about. Go splash some water on your face, clean the sleep out of your eyes so you can see more clearly, and try reading before you post. Is that really too much to ask? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4640
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:38:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Basically this whole thread is "Waah, I wardec people who have no interest in fighting and they get out of the wardec rather than laying down and letting me gank them repeatedly". Why is it even being entertained? When the people on the other side of the fence suggest changes, they get repeatedly told to HTFU, that is the sandbox.
So HTFU, that is the sandbox. That's not what this thread is. I'm sure it's easier to dismiss it as such instead of actually attempting some maturity and having a discussion about the points made, but I'm sure you didn't even bother to read it before you came to that conclusion. Of course I've read it and that's exactly what this thread is. The OP doesn't like that once a wardec is declared the defending corp can use available mechanics and avoid it. The OP would prefer that the corp were forced to endure the entirety of the wardec or he should be refunded. As usual, it's perfectly fine for an aggressor to complain about the mechanics the defender uses, but when it's the other way round, they are trying to alter the fabric of EVE and must either put up with it or quit. I'm all for balanced changes coming in, I'd even be happy to see a restriction on disbanding a corp during a wardec or even a delay on people's ability to leave a defending corp if it came hand in hand with a restriction of 10 aggressive wardecs at a time and the start price of a dec being doubled. But that's not what's wanted. The "merc corps" want cheap wardecs against anyone and everyone and they want the defenders forced to endure their attacks, and they aren't willing to give anything up themselves. It's a completely selfish desire to get their own way. So no, HTFU.
You haven't, obviously, because if you had read the thread, you'd see there's actually some good mature discussion points on both sides of the dialectic. I don't need to HTFU, I'm doing just fine, thanks. You, however, need to GTFU. Where G=Grow. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Dave Stark
6869
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:39:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Basically this whole thread is "Waah, I wardec people who have no interest in fighting and they get out of the wardec rather than laying down and letting me gank them repeatedly". Why is it even being entertained? When the people on the other side of the fence suggest changes, they get repeatedly told to HTFU, that is the sandbox.
So HTFU, that is the sandbox. Okay I will spin your argument the other way round. Basically this whole thread is "Waah, I play a PvP game but I have no interest in PvP so when somebody uses a mechanic designed and implement by the developers of the game to allow people to shoot other people in high sec I quit my corp, cower in a NPC corp and cry on the forums about how unfair it is" Why is it even being entertained? When the people on the other side of the fence suggest changes, they get repeatedly told to HTFU, that is the sandbox.
we've been through this; evading being blown up is just as much a part of pvp as blowing things up. people aren't avoiding pvp - they're avoiding you. if some one folds their corp, they just outplayed you. |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:58:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:There is so much I think that is a personal interpretation here
Now in my opinion only. (Stressed). A Wardec is placed upon the Corp only. You might be WDing a Corp to get at a specific person, But all you are doing is Wd'ing the Corp, NOT the person.
By that definition alone. I see no reason why people cannot leave the Corp during the WD. Because when you join one to begin with, you acknowledge the possibility of arbitrary wardecs.
When I board a plane I have to accept that some lunatic might blow it out of the sky.
But I can't see anywhere on my ticket anything saying I can't take a parachute along and bail out if it happens.
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Remiel Pollard
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Drago Shouna wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:There is so much I think that is a personal interpretation here
Now in my opinion only. (Stressed). A Wardec is placed upon the Corp only. You might be WDing a Corp to get at a specific person, But all you are doing is Wd'ing the Corp, NOT the person.
By that definition alone. I see no reason why people cannot leave the Corp during the WD. Because when you join one to begin with, you acknowledge the possibility of arbitrary wardecs. When I board a plane I have to accept that some lunatic might blow it out of the sky. But I can't see anywhere on my ticket anything saying I can't take a parachute along and bail out if it happens.
When I join the army, I accept that someone might start a war with my country.
But there's no reason why I can't just go AWOL if that happe.... oh wait.
The reason this is a better analogy is because even with a parachute, you're not very likely to survive an airplane exploding around you. Especially one of the big ones, carrying tonnes of fuel right under your feet. You can, on the other hand, survive a war. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
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