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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.09.09 08:35:00 -
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I'm having all kinds of internet difficulties at the moment. It seems i'm not the only one, and it's happening on both sides of the Atlantic. From what I found after a handful of searches of my favorite news sites for "Internet Slowdown September 10," the event is supposed to be symbolic, and not involve a literal slowdown of internet traffic.
but. has it become more than symbolic?
Also, will someone explain the legislation behind tomorrow's movement... in simple terms? What's the scope of the proposed change by ISPs involving "fast lanes" and premium bandwidth?
I'm in Los Angeles. I'm on Verizon FiOS, and my speeds reach 20 MB up / down (Megabytes with a capital M). A lot of pages are hanging and leaving me with "resolving host" type messages along the bottom of my browser.
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
440
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Posted - 2014.09.09 10:25:00 -
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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/07/act-immediately-stop-congresss-sneaky-move-shut-down-broadband-competition
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Rain6637
Team Evil
18495
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Posted - 2014.09.09 11:07:00 -
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This is a call-to-arms I found and liked, which involves leaving a comment on the FCC site. The specifics are in the last lines of the article:
Blogs.findlaw.com
I have the FCC's comment form open, but it is a public filing that includes my name and address, which will become a matter of public record. and this makes me hesitant. I suppose I could leave a PO box or something.
My second best link to share is a Slate article that includes a funny satire piece on net neutrality. Like good satire, it's funny because it's true. Like great satire, it hasn't been debunked.
Slate.com
The FCC and Net Neutrality is an American agency and ruling, and it might not be directly related to what I'm experiencing, or even the state of my launcher. But without a solid reason to disconnect the issues completely, I'm keeping an open mind.
eve-offline.net shows a total player count of zero at 05:10, which marks the beginning of my DNS symptoms.
If TQ was 100% "up" then it was the rest of the world that was down. I don't know how likely that sounds to you, but apparently that's the story. a Mynnna Tweet localizing the issue to US providers Verizon and AT&T. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
441
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Posted - 2014.09.09 14:19:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:This is a call-to-arms I found and liked, which involves leaving a comment on the FCC site. The specifics are in the last lines of the article: Blogs.findlaw.comI have the FCC's comment form open, but it is a public filing that includes my name and address, which will become a matter of public record. and this makes me hesitant. I suppose I could leave a PO box or something. My second best link to share is a Slate article that includes a funny satire piece on net neutrality. Like good satire, it's funny because it's true. Like great satire, it hasn't been debunked. Slate.comThe FCC and Net Neutrality is an American agency and ruling, and it might not be directly related to what I'm experiencing, or even the state of my launcher. But without a solid reason to disconnect the issues completely, I'm keeping an open mind. eve-offline.net shows a total player count of zero at 05:10, which marks the beginning of my DNS symptoms. If TQ was 100% "up" then it was the rest of the world that was down. I don't know how likely that sounds to you, but apparently that's the story. a Mynnna Tweet localizing the issue to US providers Verizon and AT&T.
Thanks for the informative post, Rain. Ive been hearing about this for months on the radio, so sadly I dont think it's a hoax.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.09.09 20:59:00 -
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hah. maybe I'm late.
I set my Network Settings to Google's DNS servers (manually) 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, and also flushed Chrome's DNS cache, but I still had issues.
DNS fixes for Google Chrome and Windows on Webnots.com
at the moment my connectivity seems fine, but after yesterday I'm remaining suspicious.
tinfoil hatting rain thinks these drops could be due to experimental hotfixes on TQ. it just seems odd that TQ apparently had zero connections, but nobody is talking about it. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Solecist Project
9874
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Posted - 2014.09.10 00:10:00 -
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Greetings!
This seems to be important, although I have no idea what's going on.
I guess the very fact that I do not know what's going on ... ... but I probably should ... ... means that a layman's term explanation in the OP would be seriously helpfull. (hint!)
In case I do not overestimate the importance of this, it would be seriously helpfull in case you want more attention. (hint!)
Also, I have no idea why you mention zero connections to TQ, but I guess this would be important too?
Tell me what's going on.
Imagine I am a completely ignorant person that cares, but is literally unable to filter out the relevant, necessary information.
Thanks. ~ Signatures are too small for the huge amount of crap I can throw at you ~ ~ In case of emergency, blame a random person. He *will* get arrested! ~ I AM FORCING LITERALLY FORCING YOU YOU TO REREAD THIS! GÖí GÖÑ THE CODE ALWAYS WINS-áGÖÑ GÖí |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
450
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Posted - 2014.09.10 00:35:00 -
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Solecist - I was gonna type out a long explanation of things, but then my Pizza arrived, so here's a link :)
The fact the hardly anyone seems to know about this is in itself dusturbing, although it's just par for the course for the media here in the US.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Solecist Project
9876
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Posted - 2014.09.10 00:55:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Solecist - I was gonna type out a long explanation of things, but then my Pizza arrived, so here's a link :) The fact the hardly anyone seems to know about this is in itself dusturbing, although it's just par for the course for the media here in the US. No one cares about clicking a link and thus I won't care either.
You are part of the reason why hardly anyone knows.
Let me tell you about how the people's minds work. In my own way.
Your pizza is more important than writing it down. Clicking the next thread is more important than clicking that link.
The people already cared enough to click the topic.
If you do not spoonfeed the idiots people ... ... and that's the issue here ! ... ... because you do not care about spoonfeeding all these idiots people ... ... then there will be nothing gained.
Nothing achieved.
Nothing changed.
You can not expect the people to care enough to inform themselves.
That's what *you* are there for.
And if *you* do not show enough care to write it properly down ... ... because your pizza is more important than this ... ... then others won't show enough care to inform themselves ... ... and rather click to the next best thing that's more fun.
Expecting people to click a link is a lot. Clicking a link is A LOT!
Billions are invested in making people click links ... ... and you think you can link something here and expect people to care enough clicking it.
People come to a thread ... ... and expect information.
What you show, is that you do not care enough about the issue to properly present it. What you show, is that your pizza is more important!
What you show is that you are just as all the others ... ... and rather have someone else do the work for you.
You prefer having fun! In this case ... your pizza!
That's what you show!
But hey! Hey!
If the matter is irrelevant anyway ... ... then that's fine too!
My bad!
Trying to educate you here, maybe for nothing!
You said that hardly anyone knows ... ... so at least it's fair to tell you why this is the case!
It sure as hell seems like it's not important, you know? Because your pizza is actually far more important ... you know?
You're part of the reason why hardly anyone knows. Sounds harsh ... is simply the truth.
That's how it works.
Believe me, I know!
So, please, if the matter is actually relevant ... ... can you please do as I asked?
Write it in the post with the pizza. It's nicely early in the thread.
Because I actually care. And I show it.
I typed a lot, you know? More than you. And I could have done something else, you know?
Thank you. :) ~ Signatures are too small for the huge amount of crap I can throw at you ~ ~ In case of emergency, blame a random person. He *will* get arrested! ~ I AM FORCING LITERALLY FORCING YOU YOU TO REREAD THIS! GÖí GÖÑ THE CODE ALWAYS WINS-áGÖÑ GÖí |
Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.09.10 00:59:00 -
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o7
it was a fun thread while it lasted. not sure it will survive the night though
the lulzy part about the bulk of the movement is the fact that it's mostly symbolic. simulated loading sprites and pandemonium that doesn't amount to any real force. I suppose trolling the FCC site is about as effective as the internet will get, within limits. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Solecist Project
9876
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Posted - 2014.09.10 01:00:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:o7
it was a fun thread while it lasted. not sure it will survive the night though
the lulzy part about the bulk of the movement is the fact that it's mostly symbolic. simulated loading sprites and pandemonium that doesn't amount to any real force. I suppose trolling the FCC site is about as effective as the internet will get, within limits. I am trying to help. Trying to educate.
Sadly ... all I got ... and what the people got ... was pizza.
This is actually an important matter ..... ~ Signatures are too small for the huge amount of crap I can throw at you ~ ~ In case of emergency, blame a random person. He *will* get arrested! ~ I AM FORCING LITERALLY FORCING YOU YOU TO REREAD THIS! GÖí GÖÑ THE CODE ALWAYS WINS-áGÖÑ GÖí |
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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.09.10 01:05:00 -
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i thought he was just being relaxed about stuff, sol. it was more than appropriate in this topic, that is overshadowed by the general population's lack of awareness (when it's rather important). I feel kinda dumb for not being more informed, and only looking at it after experiencing internet issues. you know, like, sometimes there's an individual obligation to stay informed.
[i think you're being sol again, sol. if you want to play with us you have to play nice] President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Solecist Project
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Posted - 2014.09.10 01:08:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:i thought he was just being relaxed about stuff, sol. it was more than appropriate in this topic, that is overshadowed by the general population's lack of awareness (when it's rather important). I feel kinda dumb for not being more informed, and only looking at it after experiencing internet issues. you know, like, sometimes there's an individual obligation to stay informed.
[i think you're being sol again, sol. if you want to play with us you have to play nice] Meh...
I see importance in this and yes, I sound rather rude, but do not mean so.
What if the issue is exactly that he was relaxed about it, although he deems it important?
His relaxedness is a part of the reason why there's a lack of awareness.
That's what I tried to say.
I just think this is important ... ... and it should be properly presented.
He doesn't even see the Irony in his own post. :/
No ill-will here ... but I guess it's no use, no matter what I do. :) ~ Signatures are too small for the huge amount of crap I can throw at you ~ ~ In case of emergency, blame a random person. He *will* get arrested! ~ I AM FORCING LITERALLY FORCING YOU YOU TO REREAD THIS! GÖí GÖÑ THE CODE ALWAYS WINS-áGÖÑ GÖí |
Solecist Project
9880
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Posted - 2014.09.10 01:19:00 -
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I'll put it on my pile of regrets and remove the posts. :) ~ Signatures are too small for the huge amount of crap I can throw at you ~ ~ In case of emergency, blame a random person. He *will* get arrested! ~ I AM FORCING LITERALLY FORCING YOU YOU TO REREAD THIS! GÖí GÖÑ THE CODE ALWAYS WINS-áGÖÑ GÖí |
Rain6637
Team Evil
18589
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Posted - 2014.09.10 01:23:00 -
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well basically, internet companies in the US are trying to remove the FCC's ability to regulate their operation. which is the basic job of the FCC. to put it simply, internet service providers in the US are trying to make it so their service can be restructured in a more profitable way. at the expense of neutral net traffic.
right now, all they can sell is bandwidth. raw throughput. under the proposed system, they can sell bandwidth based on what is being transmitted.
slightly more alarming is the fact that they've done underhanded things to discriminate based on content (comcast throttled netflix because it netflix and a paid service.)
it's possible this issue will pass, and that's great news for iSPs assuming that internet service is a given. but it's not.
in my wilder imaginations, I'm seeing a revolt on a national scale. think Incarna type of unsub threats but on a national scale.
I'm quick to write things off as a fool's errand, like the occupy movement and silly things like yellow ribbons. but if I'm motivated to do something about an issue like this, chances are a lot of people like me are motivated too.
I will cancel home internet service, and skillqueue for the next year from a surface pro install of EVE, using a public internet connection, in order to send a nice message to my ISP. for real. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11149
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Posted - 2014.09.10 01:51:00 -
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Comcast also owns a substantial portion of Hulu, which competes with Netflix. What's sad is that so many people buy Comcast's nonsense about Netflix and other content providers being "freeloaders" (which is far from the case) and support them in this. Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11149
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Posted - 2014.09.10 02:14:00 -
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Basically, "fast lanes" and "slow lanes" are not exactly what is happening here. The ISPs have their eyes on potential goldmines - they can essentially extort money out of content providers with the threat of giving them arbitrarily low packet priority on their networks. They know that by doing this, their customers would likely stop paying for those services if they run into stream buffering, long load times for websites, etc. and through that, the ISPs can leverage their effective monopolies against these content providers and make a load of money - which you won't ever see being invested into infrastructure, mind you.
The ISPs do not lack the infrastructure to handle all of that traffic from websites like Netflix. They do not lack the money to upgrade their infrastructure either, and the customers of those ISPs have paid for it many times over - ironically, it helps that Netflix and other services have a high bandwidth demand, because that drives uptake of higher-tier broadband packages.
You won't see net neutrality debates in any country where you actually have a choice between Internet providers, because the moment customers see a drop in performance, they'll switch ISPs. That simply isn't a choice for most people in the US. Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9600
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Posted - 2014.09.10 03:17:00 -
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The not corrupt solution of course being to reclassify broadband internet service, and honestly any internet service, as common carrier, and thus are restricted in the manner of their provision in the same manner as a power or water company. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13089
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Posted - 2014.09.10 05:28:00 -
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Every year the USA seems to get just a little bit more **** to live in for average joe Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.09.10 05:41:00 -
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o7
so i'm wondering, what are the odds that TQ would experience dropped clients at 05:10 yesterday, and again today at 05:05?
also: CCP Explorer Tweet RE: TQ hotfixes President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11153
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Posted - 2014.09.10 05:56:00 -
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I doubt that has anything to do with what's going on in the US. Server hiccups happen. Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.09.10 06:00:00 -
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on a schedule, apparently. I agree--two separate issues President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
2364
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Posted - 2014.09.10 13:57:00 -
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Not related.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur |
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Rain6637
Team Evil
18671
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Posted - 2014.09.10 22:39:00 -
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o7 o7
https://www.aclu.org/net-neutrality President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Solecist Project
9915
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Posted - 2014.09.13 19:08:00 -
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Friendly bump for a good cause. (: :) |
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