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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.09.10 09:52:00 -
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Hello everyone,
We would like to remind the EVE community of our stance regarding the usage of EVE Online and assets, characters and items from within the game environment as leverage for the purpose of real life harassment.
As outlined in our previous announcement, this type of behavior lies in clear breach of our End User License Agreement, and as such we have a zero tolerance approach when dealing with these cases.
Our stance regarding this type of behavior has not changed since the last announcement, and any individuals who are found to be engaging in such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against their game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.
- F CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
729
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Posted - 2014.09.10 12:53:00 -
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Reserved CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
2863
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Posted - 2014.09.10 13:29:00 -
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Huh, what happened now? The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2884
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Posted - 2014.09.10 13:35:00 -
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There is something that has always bothered me about this separation of the "virtual game world" and "the real world".
Every person playing the game is in the real world. Every computer being used for play is in the real world. Every word seen on a computer screen is shown on a screen in the real world and read by a person in the real world.
It would seem that the game world consists of bytes in a computer, and nothing more. So this statement "However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world. " means that harassment type behavior cannot be displayed on any computer screen to any person, because as soon as it is, that behavior enters the real world. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6577
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Posted - 2014.09.10 13:46:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Huh, what happened now? Likely someone forced another player to do something against his will out-of-game using in-game assets as leverage. Basically more tools who can't separate a game from reality and who therefore go after the player, instead of the character he plays with using the accepted in-game rules. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2863
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Posted - 2014.09.10 13:49:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:There is something that has always bothered me about this separation of the "virtual game world" and "the real world".
Every person playing the game is in the real world. Every computer being used for play is in the real world. Every word seen on a computer screen is shown on a screen in the real world and read by a person in the real world.
It would seem that the game world consists of bytes in a computer, and nothing more. So this statement "However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world. " means that harassment type behavior cannot be displayed on any computer screen to any person, because as soon as it is, that behavior enters the real world.
I find it highly delusional to accept cruelty on others with the excuse that "nothing real" is involved. Suffering is *always* real, no matter the cause. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1221
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Posted - 2014.09.10 14:06:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Likely someone forced another player to do something against his will out-of-game using in-game assets as leverage. Basically more tools who can't separate a game from reality and who therefore go after the player, instead of the character he plays with using the accepted in-game rules. The one who has trouble with the reality/virtual seperation is the one who gets leveraged by pixels.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I find it highly delusional to accept cruelty on others with the excuse that "nothing real" is involved. Suffering is *always* real, no matter the cause. Next time you see a kid crying because their parents won't buy them sweets you better go save them from all that suffering. [witty image] - Stream |
Areen Sassel
29
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:06:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I find it highly delusional to accept cruelty on others with the excuse that "nothing real" is involved. Suffering is *always* real, no matter the cause.
That may be so, but if in-EVE activities cause me suffering, I consented to that possibility by playing the game. I didn't consent to being (for example) doxxed. |
Handsome Feller
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2014.09.10 17:05:00 -
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Check /r/eve on reddit. Someone has posted that they have been banned due to bonus room activities. Sooooo, threadnought incoming in 3, 2, 1... |
Porucznik Borewicz
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
13
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Posted - 2014.09.10 17:59:00 -
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Is this gonna be good? |
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Kali Aldard
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.10 18:08:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:There is something that has always bothered me about this separation of the "virtual game world" and "the real world".
Every person playing the game is in the real world. Every computer being used for play is in the real world. Every word seen on a computer screen is shown on a screen in the real world and read by a person in the real world.
It would seem that the game world consists of bytes in a computer, and nothing more. So this statement "However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world. " means that harassment type behavior cannot be displayed on any computer screen to any person, because as soon as it is, that behavior enters the real world. I can't imagine how the rules can differ between griefing someone in a video game vs griefing the same someone in yet another internet chat room (albeit voice-chat). I still refer to players (that I don't know IRL) by their Eve character's name in Teamspeak. |
FleetWarp Ichoriya
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.10 18:13:00 -
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I approve! |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2864
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Posted - 2014.09.10 18:39:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:Likely someone forced another player to do something against his will out-of-game using in-game assets as leverage. Basically more tools who can't separate a game from reality and who therefore go after the player, instead of the character he plays with using the accepted in-game rules. The one who has trouble with the reality/virtual seperation is the one who gets leveraged by pixels. Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I find it highly delusional to accept cruelty on others with the excuse that "nothing real" is involved. Suffering is *always* real, no matter the cause. Next time you see a kid crying because their parents won't buy them sweets you better go save them from all that suffering.
If you can't think of some difference between parenting and child abuse, I suggest you to not have any children. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Dave Stark
6903
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Posted - 2014.09.10 18:53:00 -
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and this is what happens when you set terrible precedents. |
Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.10 19:08:00 -
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Can you harass someone in real life if you don't know who that person is in real life? |
Handsome Feller
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2014.09.10 19:28:00 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:Can you harass someone in real life if you don't know who that person is in real life?
If you've ever been on the receiving end of some persistent & aggressive telephone marketing, you'd know the (obvious) answer to this. |
Dave Stark
6904
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Posted - 2014.09.10 20:02:00 -
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Handsome Feller wrote:Jin Kugu wrote:Can you harass someone in real life if you don't know who that person is in real life? If you've ever been on the receiving end of some persistent & aggressive telephone marketing, you'd know the (obvious) answer to this.
the easy way to deal with those is to simply not answer the phone to numbers you don't recognise, and if you do answer one then you can always hang up with one button press. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
1834
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Posted - 2014.09.10 20:36:00 -
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Moar "the inappropriate drunked joke"? |
Kelaian Stareine
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
14
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Posted - 2014.09.10 22:00:00 -
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Apparently the new standard for "harassment" is voluntarily making poor choices with ISK, voluntarily logging onto a teamspeak, and voluntarily singing songs in hopes of getting paid back.
In other words, making repeated decisions and not learning from your mistakes is now considered harassment, even if you had the opportunity to quit and avoid the so called "harassment" at any time by clicking the little red X at the top right of the screen.
I don't often see eye to eye with Dave stark, but he is right here. This is exactly what happens when you set a terrible precedent.
Bad call CCP.
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Lady Spank
The Intaki Ladies Deep Space Astrogation Auxiliary
3619
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:06:00 -
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This is a good stance and hopefully leads to the removal of these disgusting people from the game.
There is a huge divide between the classic ransoming a ship for a home-delivery pizza and the stuff that people like E******1 get up to in their so-called bonus rooms.
If you lack the imagination or resources to keep the consequences in-game then you have no business being here. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
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Absolutely Not Analt
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:30:00 -
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Handsome Feller wrote:Jin Kugu wrote:Can you harass someone in real life if you don't know who that person is in real life? If you've ever been on the receiving end of some persistent & aggressive telephone marketing, you'd know the (obvious) answer to this.
The last telephone marketer to call my house got this reponse:
*phone rings - the number pops up on my caller id as unknown, so I roll my eyes* Hello, who is this? My name is XXXX with YYYY and I'd like... How did you get this number? What? This is a classified number registered to the NSA. I need to speak to your supervisor immediately. You will also need to remain at your present location until agents arrive to question you. *click* :smug:
Eve is a multi player game.-áAnd you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2264
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:36:00 -
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I don't really know what the bonus room thing is, nor do I care. But does this announcement mean that we can no longer ransom and/or extort players as part of pirate activities? Because that's what it sounds like.
I could be ransoming a ship, and the victim could say that I'm utilizing his in-game assets in order to harass them in real life, because the threat of loss of their assets means more to them than the time they invested into the game, and makes them feel real, tangible grief. Anyone who pays for PLEX could also, theoretically, say that I'm harassing them in real life when attempting a ransom because I affect their real-life finances, and not only their in-game progress.
Even I have to agree that these explanations would fit within Falcon's definition of harassment. So, I'd like to know what we can and can't do. Because it really sounds like we can no longer do anything, as long as the target claims to feel real-life grief. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted |
Lord Kailethre
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
24
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:40:00 -
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So, we don't have a list of people who have been banned, and we don't have a list of reasons why, just that its 'real life harassment.
This is like a dictatorship executing political rivals for :reasons: I wish there was more transparency in these decisions, for all we know none of these people were even warned. |
Kristalll
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
328
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:49:00 -
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I can't help but point out that when the last statement was made, we pretty much all said that super vague statements that nobody can interpret to really mean anything don't solve any issue.
Until an actual concrete statement is made for people to work with, you'll just have to keep posting the same vague thing since nobody can tell what you mean. GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2221
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:55:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:There is something that has always bothered me about this separation of the "virtual game world" and "the real world".
Every person playing the game is in the real world. Every computer being used for play is in the real world. Every word seen on a computer screen is shown on a screen in the real world and read by a person in the real world.
It would seem that the game world consists of bytes in a computer, and nothing more. So this statement "However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world. " means that harassment type behavior cannot be displayed on any computer screen to any person, because as soon as it is, that behavior enters the real world.
horrible job at trolling or logic ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5957
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Posted - 2014.09.11 00:14:00 -
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Lord Kailethre wrote:So, we don't have a list of people who have been banned, and we don't have a list of reasons why, just that its 'real life harassment.
This is like a dictatorship executing political rivals for :reasons: I wish there was more transparency in these decisions, for all we know none of these people were even warned.
If it bothers you then quit and find a game that supplies random players with that kind of detailed info.
Oh...right...none do.
I guess it's time to get used to single player games.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1990
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Posted - 2014.09.11 00:18:00 -
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Oh look, more "Bonus Room" stuffs...
Looks like E1 is still going strong! EVE needs more Pssshhhh |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Ketchup Advisory Board
1025
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Posted - 2014.09.11 00:22:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Oh look, more "Bonus Room" stuffs...
Looks like E1 is still going strong! Ero has been abiding by his ban since it went into effect, and has not been involved in the bonus rooms since then. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Yonis Pserad
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
40
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Posted - 2014.09.11 00:23:00 -
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I'm all in favor of scamming, so long as it's primarily for materiel gain and not humiliation. There are, unfortunately, people who aren't in the right place mentally. People who might be unstable, down on their luck, or just having a bad day. I've been there, and it hurts. No game should support driving these people into a bad place, it's simply barbaric. Rob a character blind, steal their ships, JF their assets to CFC space, it's all well and good. But it's when you try to harm the person behind the character, then it goes far too far.
I believe CCP is doing the right thing with this call. http://eve.znaor.hr/pimpmydomi/ |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1990
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Posted - 2014.09.11 00:25:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Oh look, more "Bonus Room" stuffs...
Looks like E1 is still going strong! Ero has been abiding by his ban since it went into effect, and has not been involved in the bonus rooms since then. RIGHT..........
You know, you don't actually need to log into EVE to effect the game... EVE needs more Pssshhhh |
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