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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:26:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Anslo wrote:Can someone tl;dr what the hell's going on? CCP banned a bunch of guys that continued on with the bonus room thing. In their infinite wisdom or just out of sheer laziness, they banned everyone in the bonus room channel whether they participated or not.
And it was correct of CCP to do so. One does not hang out in these channels just by accident. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4877
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:30:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Anslo wrote:Can someone tl;dr what the hell's going on? CCP banned a bunch of guys that continued on with the bonus room thing. In their infinite wisdom or just out of sheer laziness, they banned everyone in the bonus room channel whether they participated or not. And it was correct of CCP to do so. One does not hang out in these channels just by accident.
Please direct us all to the point in the EULA/TOS or in anything that Falcon has said where hanging out with friends in chat channels is against the rules. It would be much appreciated, thank you. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
evepal
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:30:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:"...Gankers have been banned that have done nothing but gank. Faction Warfare players have been banned and no one knows why. Random nullsec guys have been banned. We don't know why. Even at least one carebear has been banned who didn't do a damn thing to anybody other than enjoy the company of some of the others banned...." -- Erotica 1F
Ah yes, a well respected voice that we can all listen to on this discussion. Nice strawman. |
JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
319
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:30:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Titus Tallang wrote:can we expect some clear-cut rules on what you would classify as 'real life harassment'? It isn't our job to dictate to people how to maintain a base standard of human decency toward one another, and we're not going to do so. The bottom line is that it's down to members of the community to know where the line crosses from common decency to harassment. We will not draw a line in the sand so that people can skirt on the edge of it and bend the rules as much as possible. This isn't a debate about what constitutes "harassment". If you're not familiar with the word, find the definition in a dictionary and that will satisfy your question. What we will do, is continue to use best judgement on a case by case basis to ensure that real life harassment is kept out of the game, and ensure that those who choose to involve themselves in such activities are no longer permitted to be part of our community. Cut and dried, that's all we have to say on the matter.
Very nicely done. |
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite CODE.
135
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:30:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Anslo wrote:Can someone tl;dr what the hell's going on? CCP banned a bunch of guys that continued on with the bonus room thing. In their infinite wisdom or just out of sheer laziness, they banned everyone in the bonus room channel whether they participated or not. And it was correct of CCP to do so. One does not hang out in these channels just by accident.
Actually the Teamspeak in question is a hangout for all sorts of players, many who have nothing to do with any of the bonus room or CODE or any of it. Some random null guys got banned, some random FW guys got banned.. lol
CCP won't respond to it either. Together we can make Highsec a better place! www.lawofhighsec.com
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Anslo
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:31:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Anslo wrote:Can someone tl;dr what the hell's going on? CCP banned a bunch of guys that continued on with the bonus room thing. In their infinite wisdom or just out of sheer laziness, they banned everyone in the bonus room channel whether they participated or not. And it was correct of CCP to do so. One does not hang out in these channels just by accident. Please direct us all to the point in the EULA/TOS or in anything that Falcon has said where hanging out with friends in chat channels is against the rules. It would be much appreciated, thank you. Cause if it's not 100% worded in the EULA/TOS, then it's tots OK no matter how much it might screw someone up or hurt them amirite guise? It's just ~content~, yeah?~~
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5994
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:31:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Anslo wrote:Can someone tl;dr what the hell's going on? CCP banned a bunch of guys that continued on with the bonus room thing. In their infinite wisdom or just out of sheer laziness, they banned everyone in the bonus room channel whether they participated or not.
Fixed to remove speculative BS.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
171
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:31:00 -
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I would really like to see a dev blog that shows how much stuff was frozen in these banned accounts. I bet it would be hilarious. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6127
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:32:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Anslo wrote:Can someone tl;dr what the hell's going on? CCP banned a bunch of guys that continued on with the bonus room thing. In their infinite wisdom or just out of sheer laziness, they banned everyone in the bonus room channel whether they participated or not. And it was correct of CCP to do so. One does not hang out in these channels just by accident.
You're right sometimes you get invited to a channel & then wonder what it actually is months later. You're also wrong, if you're assumed guilty because of the people who happen to be in your channel/corp/alliance/mailing list then everyone in EVE has reason for concern. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Anslo
Scope Works
11358
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:32:00 -
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JEFFRAIDER wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Titus Tallang wrote:can we expect some clear-cut rules on what you would classify as 'real life harassment'? It isn't our job to dictate to people how to maintain a base standard of human decency toward one another, and we're not going to do so. The bottom line is that it's down to members of the community to know where the line crosses from common decency to harassment. We will not draw a line in the sand so that people can skirt on the edge of it and bend the rules as much as possible. This isn't a debate about what constitutes "harassment". If you're not familiar with the word, find the definition in a dictionary and that will satisfy your question. What we will do, is continue to use best judgement on a case by case basis to ensure that real life harassment is kept out of the game, and ensure that those who choose to involve themselves in such activities are no longer permitted to be part of our community. Cut and dried, that's all we have to say on the matter. Very nicely done.
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Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite CODE.
135
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:33:00 -
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You can be happy all you want for some bonus room dudes getting banned; I imagine a lot of people wanted them gone. The measure of fuss that's going on over the blanket bans for "real life harassment" is that many of the players who were banned had nothing to do with it and were banned anyways (without warning). Together we can make Highsec a better place! www.lawofhighsec.com
Read it, share it, learn it, quote it, memorize it,-á live it, breathe it! |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4877
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:34:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Anslo wrote:Can someone tl;dr what the hell's going on? CCP banned a bunch of guys that continued on with the bonus room thing. In their infinite wisdom or just out of sheer laziness, they banned everyone in the bonus room channel whether they participated or not. And it was correct of CCP to do so. One does not hang out in these channels just by accident. Please direct us all to the point in the EULA/TOS or in anything that Falcon has said where hanging out with friends in chat channels is against the rules. It would be much appreciated, thank you. Cause if it's not 100% worded in the EULA/TOS, then it's tots OK no matter how much it might screw someone up or hurt them amirite guise? It's just ~content~, yeah?~~
WHOOSH!!! GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:35:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Top posts so far from the following characters making fabulous posts. In order of brilliance:
1. Crumplecorn
Rabe Raptor, Anal Canal, Sibyyl, Remiel Pollard, Kaarous Aldurald, Sabriz Adoudel, CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909, Solecist Project also ran
I will continue to add more names on the list as they appear. I applied an order to your list. I think anyone with even a modicum of human decency will agree with it. [witty image] - Stream |
evepal
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:36:00 -
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Rabe Raptor wrote:You can be happy all you want for some bonus room dudes getting banned; I imagine a lot of people wanted them gone. The measure of fuss that's going on over the blanket bans for "real life harassment" is that many of the players who were banned had nothing to do with it and were banned anyways (without warning).
Seeing as posting evidence of this would violate the EULA, this is only built upon speculation. Speculation people build slippery slope fallacies upon, and then take it into the realm of strawman and division fallacy. Couple of ad hominems in there, too! |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1240
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:36:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Why do you continue to play and financially support a company that allows such things?
This is a good question. My answer would be that this game seems to thrive on company-player dialog moreso than any other game. The players have a constant hope that such a dialog is meaningful, and that CCP is the type of company to have one with its players. That conversation ended over here. But you also make a very valid point. Yes, indeed, I would love to see CCP step up and have a real dialog with us about this.
While I cannot even pretend to know your motive for asking for such discussion as I do not know you enough, the fact of the matter is CCP will not have this discussion because they know very well anything they say will be pushed to the very imaginable limit by people to justify doing something and try to make people feel CCP's action were wrong.
At the end of the day tho, what really surprise me the most about all of this is how people get bent out of shape over CCP's ruling stuff based on their gut feeling when the whole company is run based on gut feelings. People are all happy when CCP decide to make stuff in one way instead of the other because they feel like it and then the very same people get angry when CCP make a decision based on how they feel.
CCP are right to follow their gut feeling and keep their main product in a rather small niche market. This is awesome that they do not bend to corporate greed and just go with how they feel the game should be but that same niche playerbase should definately get exactly what it demand and not what CCP feel it should get. Nah at that point, them following their though instead of what some other people ask for is wrong now. |
Pleistarchus Shikkoken
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:37:00 -
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Titus Tallang wrote:CCP Falcon,
can we expect some clear-cut rules on what you would classify as 'real life harassment'?
Use common sense ******* |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
172
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:42:00 -
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Rabe Raptor wrote:You can be happy all you want for some bonus room dudes getting banned; I imagine a lot of people wanted them gone. The measure of fuss that's going on over the blanket bans for "real life harassment" is that many of the players who were banned had nothing to do with it and were banned anyways (without warning).
Yes, I am sure the folks at CCP sat around trying to figure out ways to ban players who did nothing. Next you will tell us that they hate money or that you have a girlfriend IRL. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6129
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:45:00 -
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GreasyCarl Semah wrote:Rabe Raptor wrote:You can be happy all you want for some bonus room dudes getting banned; I imagine a lot of people wanted them gone. The measure of fuss that's going on over the blanket bans for "real life harassment" is that many of the players who were banned had nothing to do with it and were banned anyways (without warning). Yes, I am sure the folks at CCP sat around trying to figure out ways to ban players who did nothing.
It probably wasn't intentional, but it has been happening more frequently. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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evepal
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:46:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:GreasyCarl Semah wrote:Rabe Raptor wrote:You can be happy all you want for some bonus room dudes getting banned; I imagine a lot of people wanted them gone. The measure of fuss that's going on over the blanket bans for "real life harassment" is that many of the players who were banned had nothing to do with it and were banned anyways (without warning). Yes, I am sure the folks at CCP sat around trying to figure out ways to ban players who did nothing. It probably wasn't intentional, but it has been happening more frequently.
Source/citation needed. |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:57:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Of course, it is easier to whine about the 'grey areas' then to actually help CCP remove them.
It also seems that it's very easy to whine about being banned rather than using a shred of common sense to maintain the most basic level of decency and etiquette when interacting with people in EVE.
Yes, EVE is designed to be harsh and unforgiving, but there's a blatant difference between that and outright harassment.
It's quite clear to anyone with even half a brain that those people who're saying that the lines are blurred and they don't understand the definition of harassment are looking for clarification so that they know how much they can bend the rules and push the boundaries before we'll take action, with a view to using any statement we make as ammunition for an appeal should they fall foul of the rules and be slapped with account action.
Sorry, but my original statement still stands. CCP will use best judgement on a case by case basis to ensure that real life harassment is kept out of EVE Online.
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Anslo
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:58:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Of course, it is easier to whine about the 'grey areas' then to actually help CCP remove them. It also seems that it's very easy to whine about being banned rather than using a shred of common sense to maintain the most basic level of decency and etiquette when interacting with people in EVE. Yes, EVE is designed to be harsh and unforgiving, but there's a blatant difference between that and outright harassment. It's quite clear to anyone with even half a brain that those people who're saying that the lines are blurred and they don't understand the definition of harassment are looking for clarification so that they know how much they can bend the rules and push the boundaries before we'll take action, with a view to using any statement we make as ammunition for an appeal should they fall foul of the rules and be slapped with account action. Sorry, but my original statement still stands. CCP will use best judgement on a case by case basis to ensure that real life harassment is kept out of EVE Online. UUU SSS AAA !!!
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
256
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Posted - 2014.09.11 17:00:00 -
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Sept. 11, 2014 --- The day EVE stopped being EVE.
9/11 is a date that will live in infamy! |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4882
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Posted - 2014.09.11 17:02:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Of course, it is easier to whine about the 'grey areas' then to actually help CCP remove them. It also seems that it's very easy to whine about being banned rather than using a shred of common sense to maintain the most basic level of decency and etiquette when interacting with people in EVE. Yes, EVE is designed to be harsh and unforgiving, but there's a blatant difference between that and outright harassment. It's quite clear to anyone with even half a brain that those people who're saying that the lines are blurred and they don't understand the definition of harassment are looking for clarification so that they know how much they can bend the rules and push the boundaries before we'll take action, with a view to using any statement we make as ammunition for an appeal should they fall foul of the rules and be slapped with account action. Sorry, but my original statement still stands. CCP will use best judgement on a case by case basis to ensure that real life harassment is kept out of EVE Online.
Well, you probably need to use better judgement when it comes to doxxers then and show some consistency. Personally, I have no confusion where the line is. I saw it get crossed, on me, and CCP did nothing. However, I remain a customer with confidence that this statement you've made reflects your intentions to take harsh action against such incidences in the future. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.09.11 17:08:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote: Yes and historically said people will be quite forthcoming and honest about what happened. Perhaps they should all , as a group, waver their rights to privacy and ask a GM/DEV to openly state and discuss what really happened.
Yes/no?
You really think ccp doesn't discuss bans because of privacy concerns? Or maybe because it's just easier to deal with it when you don't need to respond to the community. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4236
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Posted - 2014.09.11 17:09:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:It also seems that it's very easy to whine about being banned rather than using a shred of common sense to maintain the most basic level of decency and etiquette when interacting with people in EVE.
Yes, EVE is designed to be harsh and unforgiving, but there's a blatant difference between that and outright harassment.
It's quite clear to anyone with even half a brain that those people who're saying that the lines are blurred and they don't understand the definition of harassment are looking for clarification so that they know how much they can bend the rules and push the boundaries before we'll take action, with a view to using any statement we make as ammunition for an appeal should they fall foul of the rules and be slapped with account action.
Sorry, but my original statement still stands. CCP will use best judgement on a case by case basis to ensure that real life harassment is kept out of EVE Online. Well it's obviously not clear, since even your ToS claims that third party services are not covered by you. Honestly, why not just stick to what your rules say. If you think it's actually harassment, report it to the police.
And no, people looking for clarification are looking for you to actually define your rules rather than us just having to guess where the line is. You can go on about people gaming the system all you want, but people are going to do that anyway. Leaving the rules fuzzy as hell only opens up the floor to people with no intent of upsetting someone getting banned because a basement dwelling neckbeard can't handle being scammed out of his ship without exploding into a fit of tears.
Why not just slap up a notification that says "remember: TS3 servers have a 'disconnect' button." and be done with it, since that's what seems to be the problem here. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Anslo
Scope Works
11361
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Posted - 2014.09.11 17:11:00 -
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What part of common sense and avoiding nerds skimming the ~line~ do you people not get? Hurr it's a gaem so we can hurt peepulz n itz okae cuz itz not in da TAWS durr.
Get over it, Christ.
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Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.09.11 17:12:00 -
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Pleistarchus Shikkoken wrote:Titus Tallang wrote:CCP Falcon,
can we expect some clear-cut rules on what you would classify as 'real life harassment'?
Use common sense *******
Do you realise that all of the actions these groups partake in are bannable in most other MMOs. Common sense needs a frame of reference and there's just nothing like eve.
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Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2014.09.11 17:13:00 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:Gregor Parud wrote: Yes and historically said people will be quite forthcoming and honest about what happened. Perhaps they should all , as a group, waver their rights to privacy and ask a GM/DEV to openly state and discuss what really happened.
Yes/no?
You really think ccp doesn't discuss bans because of privacy concerns? Or maybe because it's just easier to deal with it when you don't need to respond to the community.
I have a tinfoil hat on the moon for sale, if you're interested. |
Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
68405
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Posted - 2014.09.11 17:16:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Of course, it is easier to whine about the 'grey areas' then to actually help CCP remove them. It also seems that it's very easy to whine about being banned rather than using a shred of common sense to maintain the most basic level of decency and etiquette when interacting with people in EVE. Yes, EVE is designed to be harsh and unforgiving, but there's a blatant difference between that and outright harassment. It's quite clear to anyone with even half a brain that those people who're saying that the lines are blurred and they don't understand the definition of harassment are looking for clarification so that they know how much they can bend the rules and push the boundaries before we'll take action, with a view to using any statement we make as ammunition for an appeal should they fall foul of the rules and be slapped with account action. Sorry, but my original statement still stands. CCP will use best judgement on a case by case basis to ensure that real life harassment is kept out of EVE Online.
Great answer.
I hope this gets resolved in a manner that benefits the community. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1240
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Posted - 2014.09.11 17:25:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: Why not just slap up a notification that says "remember: TS3 servers have a 'disconnect' button." and be done with it, since that's what seems to be the problem here.
There is also a button to terminate your subscription to the game if you do nto like the policy they have or the way they decide to enforce them so you can be done with it. |
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