Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 [19] 20 30 40 .. 42 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 11 post(s) |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1251
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 17:26:00 -
[541] - Quote
Yeah the anti ganking crowd is excited that CCP banned a bunch of gankers. They don't give two cents if it was for RL harassment or just on a whim. All they care is that's less gankers in the game.
If CCP doesn't want to say what is bannable and what is not then at least say what these people were banned for.
Bonus room I got it... Just don't do it! Smack talk in local? Ransoming ships or pods? Sending Eve mails to pilots you destroy?
The only reason all the carebears say "Oh you should know what is and what's not" is because the only thing they shoot are NPC crosses. I don't think an NPC will cry harassment |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1251
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 17:28:00 -
[542] - Quote
Jin Kugu wrote:Pleistarchus Shikkoken wrote:Titus Tallang wrote:CCP Falcon,
can we expect some clear-cut rules on what you would classify as 'real life harassment'?
Use common sense ******* Do you realise that all of the actions these groups partake in are bannable in most other MMOs. Common sense needs a frame of reference and there's just nothing like eve.
Of course. This is what has always separated games like WoW from Eve |
Anslo
Scope Works
11370
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 17:28:00 -
[543] - Quote
IIshira wrote:Yeah the anti ganking crowd is excited that CCP banned a bunch of gankers. They don't give two cents if it was for RL harassment or just on a whim. All they care is that's less gankers in the game.
If CCP doesn't want to say what is bannable and what is not then at least say what these people were banned for.
Bonus room I got it... Just don't do it! Smack talk in local? Ransoming ships or pods? Sending Eve mails to pilots you destroy?
The only reason all the carebears say "Oh you should know what is and what's not" is because the only thing they shoot are NPC crosses. I don't think an NPC will cry harassment
No it's because an adult with good intentions know's what it is and is not.
Shitlers make excuses like you do.
Shitler confirmed
#shrekt
|
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
831
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 17:31:00 -
[544] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:The information we have so far from Ero on this latest round of bans is very disconcerting. We will update as more information becomes available. F Hmmm. I may actually start recommending Eve Online to friends now that CCP seems to be taking a serious stand against harassment and grief play. Thanks for sharing.
Successfully doinitwrongGäó since 2006.
|
Dave Stark
6925
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 17:36:00 -
[545] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Of course, it is easier to whine about the 'grey areas' then to actually help CCP remove them. It also seems that it's very easy to whine about being banned rather than using a shred of common sense to maintain the most basic level of decency and etiquette when interacting with people in EVE. Yes, EVE is designed to be harsh and unforgiving, but there's a blatant difference between that and outright harassment. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. those people who're saying that the lines are blurred and they don't understand the definition of harassment are looking for clarification so that they know how much they can bend the rules and push the boundaries before we'll take action, with a view to using any statement we make as ammunition for an appeal should they fall foul of the rules and be slapped with account action. Sorry, but my original statement still stands. CCP will use best judgement on a case by case basis to ensure that real life harassment is kept out of EVE Online.
we do understand the definition of harassment. most of eve's activities fall under that definition. hence why we're asking for clarification. |
|
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3370
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 17:40:00 -
[546] - Quote
Closed for a quick clean. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
|
|
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2157
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 20:29:00 -
[547] - Quote
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:Closed for a quick clean. Quick he said! Tsk,,,,,
Anyway, ISD Dorrim Barstorlode had to do some RL things and as to not harass him, I volunteered to take over.
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them (and edited some others). As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
11. Discussion of warnings and bans is prohibited.(Only applied to specific named bans in this case. ISD Ezwal.) Such matters shall remain private between CCP and the involved user. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through email or private messaging. CCP respect the right of our players to privacy and as such you are not permitted to publicize private correspondence (including support ticket responses and emails) received from any member of CCP staff.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
30. Posts that distort the forum layout are prohibited.
Posts that are deliberately designed to distort the layout of the EVE Online forums, or character names that are of an inappropriate length and stretch the forums will be removed. This kind of behavior is deemed as being in opposition to the community spirit that CCP would like to promote, and posts of this nature will be deleted. Users who engage in this type of behavior may face temporary suspension or permanent revocation of their forum posting privileges.
31. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties. Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts.
Thread re-opened. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
|
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1239
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 20:37:00 -
[548] - Quote
This thread [witty image] - Stream |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4450
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 20:59:00 -
[549] - Quote
Absolutely Not Analt wrote:Handsome Feller wrote:Jin Kugu wrote:Can you harass someone in real life if you don't know who that person is in real life? If you've ever been on the receiving end of some persistent & aggressive telephone marketing, you'd know the (obvious) answer to this. The last telephone marketer to call my house got this reponse: *phone rings - the number pops up on my caller id as unknown, so I roll my eyes* Hello, who is this? My name is XXXX with YYYY and I'd like... How did you get this number? What? This is a classified number registered to the NSA. I need to speak to your supervisor immediately. You will also need to remain at your present location until agents arrive to question you. *click* :smug:
Love that one, going to steal it.
Though, during my internship in the US I got a phone from the company I was doing my internship, they just said if someone called me that I didn't know, just talk Dutch to them till they hang up (number was pre-owned by a former employee, so they didn't know how many people still called that number). Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11199
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:00:00 -
[550] - Quote
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:And it was correct of CCP to do so. One does not hang out in these channels just by accident.
Yes they do. These types of channels often send out shotgun invites to loads of people who might or might not be interested in what goes on there, and a lot of us simply accept those invites to get them out of the way and leave it out of sight and out of mind.
Again, this is guilt by association crap that CCP really shouldn't be dealing in. Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
|
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6002
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:09:00 -
[551] - Quote
Andski wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:And it was correct of CCP to do so. One does not hang out in these channels just by accident. Yes they do. These types of channels often send out shotgun invites to loads of people who might or might not be interested in what goes on there, and a lot of us simply accept those invites to get them out of the way and leave it out of sight and out of mind. Again, this is guilt by association crap that CCP really shouldn't be dealing in.
Link me to one thread where a claim of innocence for a ban was legit.
I have yet to see CCP get it wrong on a ban. They spend months digging into these guys activities.
Stop whining and digging for excuses, Andski. You used to not be such a whiner. What happened?
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
FleetWarp Ichoriya
2
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:09:00 -
[552] - Quote
So let me sum this up: - Some ppl got banned for as it seems "bonus rounds" -> (its rumoured not all though) - CCP reminds people to, although Eve is a harsh and cold game, to use at least some human decency towards the player behind the avatar - people point out that bonus rounds does add nothing to the game when the scam is complete as such and is only used to mock the victim further with their(CCP's) assets as leverage - eve's bottom sediment is stll too dumb to get it and stay well within the game(!) - my swimming pool is already filled with tears and overflowing
gg /thread
Nothing sweeter than tears of tearcollectors. mhh yummy! |
Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
7
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:11:00 -
[553] - Quote
funkybacon on the issue
http://funkybacon.blogspot.be/2014/09/as-ban-hammer-swings.html
"What we don't have is a reasonably clear definition of what actually constitutes harassment in terms of Eve. Things that are entirely unacceptable in a game like World of Warcraft for example, happen inside Eve with impunity, and are an accepted part of the norm. There is nothing "decent" about a bad guy, and if being a bad guy is to be an acceptable profession within Eve, rules and boundaries need to be made clear to give people a gauge on what is acceptable, and what is clearly over the line. These lines are important not only for those people living the life of a villain, but also for those tasked with enforcing the rule of law, such as it exists within our game."
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11199
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:13:00 -
[554] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Link me to one thread where a claim of innocence for a ban was legit. I have yet to see CCP get it wrong on a ban. They spend months digging into these guys activities. Stop whining and digging for excuses, Andski. You used to not be such a whiner. What happened? Mr Epeen
Did you know that permabanned people don't tend to post on the forums to appeal their bans because a game ban extends to the forums? They tend to do that through the petition system. They also don't tend to talk about it much on the official forums after the fact. This new knowledge must blow your mind. Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
50
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:16:00 -
[555] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Of course, it is easier to whine about the 'grey areas' then to actually help CCP remove them. It also seems that it's very easy to whine about being banned rather than using a shred of common sense to maintain the most basic level of decency and etiquette when interacting with people in EVE. Yes, EVE is designed to be harsh and unforgiving, but there's a blatant difference between that and outright harassment. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. those people who're saying that the lines are blurred and they don't understand the definition of harassment are looking for clarification so that they know how much they can bend the rules and push the boundaries before we'll take action, with a view to using any statement we make as ammunition for an appeal should they fall foul of the rules and be slapped with account action. Sorry, but my original statement still stands. CCP will use best judgement on a case by case basis to ensure that real life harassment is kept out of EVE Online.
Sorry, but I haven't heard anyone here whining about being banned here (especially since those banned no longer have access to post in this forum), but rather just people with concerns on how and why these bans are implemented. Perhaps they are not telling the truth, but several of those banned yesterday have said they have had nothing other than a vague reason provided to them and that they do not know what they were banned for. I don't believe they are feigning a lack of understanding for some sort of leniency, but rather I think they are genuinely confused as to what specifically they did since many of them were not involved directly or at all in the events that got Erotica 1 banned (or at least so they say).
This makes some of us who have not been banned (and are still allowed to post) concerned that these punishments are not consistent and/or proportional to anything a player may have done. And the thought that we may be perma-banned for stepping too far across some line, or even just be associated with someone who does, takes a little bit of the fun out of the game.
I don't think you should spell out a definition of harassment as you say, but you need to have some way to indicate to the player base what is acceptable and what is not. Perhaps you should revisit this "zero-tolerence" policy and actually mete out punishments on a "case by case" basis like you claim you are doing instead of just permabanning everyone even tangentially associated with a transgression like what appears to have happened in this case. A few temporary bans would speak volumes to what is allowed and what isn't rather than these blanket bans which just leave things more confused. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1377
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:16:00 -
[556] - Quote
My concern remains that there is feedback that this round of bans included guilt-by-association bans, and possible overreach by CCP.
How can we judge, when all CCP is effectively saying here is 'cant talk about it' and 'trust us', in a vacuum.
I raised these concerns before, and this episode only amplifies them. Having a bunch of pansies who never understood "HTFU" and never will applauding like trained seals is of little comfort.
Also, where are our CSM on this? Where are our 'guardians of the sandbox'? CSM...meh. More trained seals?
F Would you like to know more? |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
526
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:17:00 -
[557] - Quote
Andski wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:And it was correct of CCP to do so. One does not hang out in these channels just by accident. Yes they do. These types of channels often send out shotgun invites to loads of people who might or might not be interested in what goes on there, and a lot of us simply accept those invites to get them out of the way and leave it out of sight and out of mind. Again, this is guilt by association crap that CCP really shouldn't be dealing in.
Accept random invites - be prepared to deal with the consequences - EVE Online Rule.
But no, I call BS on your claim that ""a lot of us simply accept those invites to get them out of the way"" . You are a Goon - a member of a group who's stated and much-hyped purpose is to ruin other's game experience.
So no, Goons who were in that channel, knew exactly what it was for. No tears shed. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Ketchup Advisory Board
1028
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:19:00 -
[558] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:My concern remains that there is feedback that this round of bans included guilt-by-association bans, and possible overreach by CCP. How can we judge, when all CCP is effectively saying here is 'cant talk about it' and 'trust us', in a vacuum. I raised these concerns before, and this episode only amplifies them. Having a bunch of pansies who never understood "HTFU" and never will applauding like trained seals is of little comfort. Also, where are our CSM on this? Where are our 'guardians of the sandbox'? CSM...meh. More trained seals? F I have talked to multiple people who have had contact with three different CSM members on this issue. They're trying to get answers. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11201
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:20:00 -
[559] - Quote
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Accept random invites - be prepared to deal with the consequences - EVE Online Rule.
But no, I call BS on your claim that ""a lot of us simply accept those invites to get them out of the way"" . You are a Goon - a member of a group who's stated and much-hyped purpose is to ruin other's game experience.
So no, Goons who were in that channel, knew exactly what it was for. No tears shed.
More platitudes and guilt by association nonsense. I'm sorry but by this logic CCP should have banned everyone involved with SOMER Blink too. Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6002
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:21:00 -
[560] - Quote
Andski wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Link me to one thread where a claim of innocence for a ban was legit. I have yet to see CCP get it wrong on a ban. They spend months digging into these guys activities. Stop whining and digging for excuses, Andski. You used to not be such a whiner. What happened? Mr Epeen Did you know that permabanned people don't tend to post on the forums to appeal their bans because a game ban extends to the forums? They tend to do that through the petition system. They also don't tend to talk about it much on the official forums after the fact. This new knowledge must blow your mind.
Where did I say it was the banned person protesting his innocence. Apologists like you do it just fine for them.
CCP never ban people lightly. You have to push them and push them hard to get yourself banned permanently. Everyone that got banned deserved it. They pushed and now they're crying because CCP pushed back. And they're not crying on this forum. They're crying (and being destroyed for it) on all the unofficial forums. It's a joy to behold.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11201
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:25:00 -
[561] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Where did I say it was the banned person protesting his innocence. Apologists like you do it just fine for them. CCP never ban people lightly. You have to push them and push them hard to get yourself banned permanently. Everyone that got banned deserved it. They pushed and now they're crying because CCP pushed back. And they're not crying on this forum. They're crying (and being destroyed for it) on all the unofficial forums. It's a joy to behold. Mr Epeen
Maybe you should read through my previous posts. What I'm particularly miffed by is CCP's double standards. A guy who gets doxxed and threatened with personal harm against him and his family for awoxing a couple of dudes in his hisec corp is basically told to **** off by CCP who do nothing to address the incident, but people tangentially associated with whatever reincarnation of the bonus room existed are blanket banned permanently.
CCP enforces a different set of rules for those who play one way and for those who play another way. Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
8
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:27:00 -
[562] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Where did I say it was the banned person protesting his innocence. Apologists like you do it just fine for them. CCP never ban people lightly. You have to push them and push them hard to get yourself banned permanently. Everyone that got banned deserved it. They pushed and now they're crying because CCP pushed back. And they're not crying on this forum. They're crying (and being destroyed for it) on all the unofficial forums. It's a joy to behold. Mr Epeen
Wow, where did you learn all this wisom? |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
44
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:34:00 -
[563] - Quote
Yes, indeed a fun thing to watch.
CCP Falcon was clear!
If you are not sure if your action is crossing the line, most likely it IS crossing the line. Conclusion: don't do it. Thats all there is! No magic, no mean intents.
Also: It appears to me, that this was a general ban wave, than something directed, only to a certain group. Oh and please stop comparing mittanis metagaming to this bonus-room-crap. Forum Main |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
45
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:46:00 -
[564] - Quote
Ahh the griefer tears...
A lot of those evil RL threads were done, when people where provoked in one way or another. However, a very very big majority is not serious. Aside from suicide gankers people worked hard on their ships and loosing stuff gets everyone eemotional. If provoked further a lot of people will write nasty stuff. Still not OK, but to a certain degree understandable. I think this is a lame excuse. Forum Main |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11430
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:47:00 -
[565] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Of course, it is easier to whine about the 'grey areas' then to actually help CCP remove them. It also seems that it's very easy to whine about being banned rather than using a shred of common sense to maintain the most basic level of decency and etiquette when interacting with people in EVE. How incredibly disingenuous of you. There are reports of people having been banned who have gone out of their way to make sure that what they were doing wasn't harassment, and others who only had loose and incidental ties to those who did cross the line but never themselves participated. These people, who don't understand what it was they could have possibly done differently, don't even get a second chance.
Analogously, what you're doing is like expelling a child from school because they chewed a piece of bread into the shape of a gun, and defending it by arguing that guns are banned from schools and must be dealt with harshly.
I've spoken before to Erotica 1 / beancounter jaynara, both on the forums, in EVE mail, and in Jabber. He even sent me along with several others a mail making fun of one bonus room participant. Should I be banned because I spoke to him a few times? Or do you recognize that while I had an incidental connection with him during the time he ran his bonus room, I had nothing to do with it?
CCP Falcon wrote:Yes, EVE is designed to be harsh and unforgiving, but there's a blatant difference between that and outright harassment. There is, but the problem here seems to be that you're banning people who weren't even involved in outright harassment at all. Permanently. No realistic chance of appeal. It's absurd.
CCP Falcon wrote:*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. those people who're saying that the lines are blurred and they don't understand the definition of harassment are looking for clarification so that they know how much they can bend the rules and push the boundaries before we'll take action, with a view to using any statement we make as ammunition for an appeal should they fall foul of the rules and be slapped with account action. No, I think people are understandably worried about being banned for things which do not qualify as harassment, by overzealous game masters. There's no oversight. There's no appeal. A GM can just ban you now for whatever they want, and pretend it was for harassment. Who's going to notice and/or care?
CCP Falcon wrote:Sorry, but my original statement still stands. CCP will use best judgement on a case by case basis to ensure that real life harassment is kept out of EVE Online. Your best judgment doesn't fill me with confidence. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
45
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:51:00 -
[566] - Quote
By reports you mean rumors.
Who said, that all bans where connected?
You are afraid to be hit to? You will a have a reason to be afraid.
CCP does not ban lightly, no matter what a certain group says.
Forum Main |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11430
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:51:00 -
[567] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4933633#post4933633
CCP Falcon wrote:What will happen to the people who worked for SOMER Blink?
We have no intention of issuing any reprimand against those people who chose to volunteer and assist the operations of SOMER Blink in good faith. But of course people incidentally tied to potential cases of harassment don't get the same courtesy. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11430
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:54:00 -
[568] - Quote
La Rynx wrote:By reports you mean rumors. CCP's beautiful ban process ensures there's no more reliable source of information regarding bans except in high-profile cases like Blink.
La Rynx wrote:You are afraid to be hit to? You will a have a reason to be afraid. I do sometimes worry about being banned from the game for something I didn't do, or something I did do that isn't ban worthy. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
evepal
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 21:58:00 -
[569] - Quote
CCP need to define RMT better. I know this one guy whose uncles grandfathers best friend got banned for RMT and he said he's innocent. He can't post that information though, as that'd break the EULA but we should totally take his word. We should have access to the information of why he's been banned, and it should be made public for everyone, regardless of the wishes of the player at hand! Despite the fact that CCP have always stated this information is to be private!
I don't get it, people could just have not purchased his ISK from him. They volunteered their real money to him for his ISK. Plus, it was done through a 3rd party website, that's not part of EvE, so where will these bans stop.
I just wish that the CCP ban hammer illuminati would stop and make their actions clear, how am I meant to skirt the line and ignore moral conscience, if I have to fear the consequences of that?!
You know what, we should also have 'trading' defined to a point that exceeds real life judicial systems! It's unfair that we're so uncourteous. I once gave a friend a PLEX, will CCP ban me for RMT too?! We need to keep moving the goalposts, so there's no edge cases that can be sorted by public consent!
People have been sending each other ISK in game for a long time, and now CCP goes and bans an RMT who says he's innocent, what madness is this! Where will it end! CCP clearly want to ban their entire userbase! They don't want subscription money, anyway!
Did I miss any of your counter-arguments? I think I caught all of them. I should draw up a little cheat sheet for you guys, so you can at least exhibit some consistency within your attempted rhetoric. I get it, you have group polarization within your small vocal minority, doesn't make your stuff any truer nor rational. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1239
|
Posted - 2014.09.11 22:02:00 -
[570] - Quote
evepal wrote:CCP need to define RMT better. [..] Cliche, but accurate. [witty image] - Stream |
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 [19] 20 30 40 .. 42 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |