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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9707
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:03:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Gregor Parud wrote: I see that you're trying very hard, which is always hilarious. And the answer is no, they don't nor do they have to. If the rule is "don't be a **** or we'll kick you off the bus" and they see you being a **** just outside the bus they're perfectly within their right to say "stay out of my bus, I don't want your money".
Really not difficult to comprehend. But keep threadnaughting and e-lawyering because it's entertaining as hell.
Your analogy is flawed. A better one would be that you've been riding the bus for a couple of years. While on the bus you engage in some form of behavior every day. Every day you do the same thing on the bus, and the bus driver doesnt seem to have a problem with it. Then, out of the blue one day, the bus driver kicks you off the bus. He doesnt give a reason, but the following day he makes a vague statement about the form of behavior you had always engaged in was now against the rules. A couple of weeks later he kicks your friends off the bus, too. I am but a passenger on that bus. I'd like to know what the rules are so that I don't get a surprise kick off the bus as well. "Your Honour, when we robbed that bank no one told us we shouldn't have done it. No police officer came to our door telling us to stop so we just assumed that made it ok to do and kept doing it. It's just not fair [stamp foot] that you send us to jail for something no one told us to not do!"
Noticeably, robbing a bank being illegal is actually written down somewhere, if someone wanted to look at it.
Which is not the case here. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
flower pot
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:09:00 -
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The things that bugs me are as follow... 1. CCP hasnt been consitent, going live and wishing the life out of someone gave 1 month ban, scamming someone on TS (bonusroom) permaban, shooting miners in highsec permaban.... thats just ****** up if you ask me. 2. massbaning... seriously, whats up with that??? baning ppl left and right and not letting the ppl know why is just wrong!! 3. CCP made this fun and lovely game into a carebear-game with all this crap about harassment, if ppl cant shoot anything/anyone without the fear of that the other person could be offended and report you, what is left of the game? remove guns and drones is perhaps the next step 4. the ******** responce CCP gives atm, all from we cant draw aline to ppl are ******** for not knowing where the line is...
this snowballed so much harder then CCP would hope it would do and my guess is alot of wars will start over some of the comments being said here, lets just hope ppl dont get offended and cry to CCP about cause soon there wont be many players left if all are banned
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evepal
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:11:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Noticeably, robbing a bank being illegal is actually written down somewhere, if someone wanted to look at it.
Which is not the case here.
Here's where CCP state their harassment policy, as well as policy on people breaking "real life" law: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-banning-policy/.
Here's a list of US state laws about cyber harassment: http://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-information-technology/cyberstalking-and-cyberharassment-laws.aspx.
Here's where the UK state their harassment (it encompasses cyber harassment) law: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1997/40/contents.
Here's a report by the European Highcourt about cyber harassment: http://etuce.homestead.com/publications2010/06.2010_report_closing_conference_bratislava_en.pdf.
Here's a statement from the United Nations about cyber harassment: http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/note6207.doc.htm.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7000
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:20:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:so racism
Lady Spank wrote:classic ransoming
Veers Belvar wrote:bonus rooms Much harrassement Such EvE
Wow! "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6043
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:22:00 -
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flower pot wrote:The things that bugs me are as follow... 1. CCP hasnt been consitent, going live and wishing the life out of someone gave 1 month ban, scamming someone on TS (bonusroom) permaban, shooting miners in highsec permaban.... thats just ****** up if you ask me. 2. massbaning... seriously, whats up with that??? baning ppl left and right and not letting the ppl know why is just wrong!! 3. CCP made this fun and lovely game into a carebear-game with all this crap about harassment, if ppl cant shoot anything/anyone without the fear of that the other person could be offended and report you, what is left of the game? remove guns and drones is perhaps the next step 4. the ******** responce CCP gives atm, all from we cant draw aline to ppl are ******** for not knowing where the line is...
this snowballed so much harder then CCP would hope it would do and my guess is alot of wars will start over some of the comments being said here, lets just hope ppl dont get offended and cry to CCP about cause soon there wont be many players left if all are banned
The thing that bugs me is as follows...
1. You are an idiot.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Dave Stark
6939
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:22:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Dave Stark wrote:so racism Lady Spank wrote:classic ransoming Veers Belvar wrote:bonus rooms Much harrassement Such EvE Wow!
well done on the hilarious selective quoting. |
Vanyr Andrard
Weaponised FuGu
32
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:30:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:
As far as I can tell, CCP really only has two choices: decide on a case-by-case basis depending on the circumstances, or draw a bright line that will be far too restrictive for the tastes of a lot of people in this discussion. (I talked about the various do-not-cross depth lines for submarines about twenty pages back in this thread; this would be equivalent to drawing a line at "test depth" and saying "do not cross or you will be banned".)
I liked your submarine analogy, it illustrated how many choices CCP has and how they pretend not to have them. If the bright line they would draw, at "test depth", would be too restrictive for the tastes of many people; then so be it--at least they would be honest about their restrictions. I simply can't agree that being shady and underhanded with the rules makes them more acceptable to anyone. Not only that, but they could draw the line lower than "test depth", they can draw the line anywhere they want. There are pros and cons to any level they would choose, just as in your analogy. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
52
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:32:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Most people are reasonable and smart enough to know when they're near that line you shouldn't cross. And they're sensible enough to steer clear from there.
The problem arises when you have people that make it a point to dance and pounce around the line and see how far they can test the limits and still get away with it. This is akin to primary school kids threatening to slap someone while waving a hand in front of your face saying "I haven't touched you, so you can't do anything about it!".
In other words, the only people that are legitimately affected by this "ambiguousness" in the rules are those intent in coming close to the line to begin with. All this "but what if I gank!1! will I be banned?1?!" and "OMG scamming is bannable now!1!" are just idiotic distractions and foolishness meant to fuel their own personal agenda. Nothing more.
Also, I don't think we need to know for what reasons they got banned. That is dirty laundry that needs to stay in the hamper and between CCP and the banned. If the banned party truly doesn't know why he has been banned (I very highly doubt this) then he needs to sort that out with CCP. Like I said, the rest of us know where that line lies and are not interested in coming near it.
My own personal opinion? They know exactly why they got banned. They want to know how much CCP knows. They want to build a case defense based on technicalities to wiggle themselves out of whatever mess they got themselves into. Unfortunately for them, this isn't court where your ticket may get dismissed if the street where you were 30 miles over the limit was misspelled precisely because CCP gives itself space to review the issue. CCP knows better than to entrap itself with technicalities.
This also allows players that may, for whatever reasons genuinely and unknowingly come close to the line an opportunity to have their case reviewed individually without a habitual perp with ill-intent claiming they should also get the ban because "it's in the rules".
No, I disagree. There are several edge cases imaginable where people are partial or unknowing participants in something that eventually crosses "the line". It is not black and white. I could make up plenty of scenarios but there is no point - it is just speculation.
This isn't the main point though. The fact is they don't know why they are banned. We the community don't know why they are banned. If it is because they were all involved in Erotica 1's bonus room then just make a statement to that effect. Then we will know not to participate in bonus rooms (which to be fair, we already know this is verboten since Erotica 1's ban). But the problem is, several of those banned claim not to have been involved at all. You perhaps don't believe them, but there are enough of them that I have my doubts as to the precision of this ban wave or even if "bonus room participant" is the specific reason for these mass bans. And if I was mistakenly caught up in such a ban wave, or even if I full well knew which rules I broke, I would still want the specific actions I took provided to me so I could move on with a complete understanding of what had happened, or, use those details to point out that there is a mistake if that is the case.
There is no wiggling free. They can squirm all they want but CCP can just say no, you are out of here. I don't see why giving your customer the courtesy of a full reason for the termination of your relationship is a problem at all - in fact I see it as the only respectful thing to do. Sharing this reason with the community I can see as a more debatable point as it will make more work for the GMs dealing with rule lawyering (although this could be avoided if GMs were more consistent with applying the rules), but to me it seems it will only serve to provide an additional data point of behaviour that is not allowed and better define the sandbox, not handcuff CCP's future responses in anyway.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4977
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:33:00 -
[909] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:flower pot wrote:The things that bugs me are as follow... 1. CCP hasnt been consitent, going live and wishing the life out of someone gave 1 month ban, scamming someone on TS (bonusroom) permaban, shooting miners in highsec permaban.... thats just ****** up if you ask me. 2. massbaning... seriously, whats up with that??? baning ppl left and right and not letting the ppl know why is just wrong!! 3. CCP made this fun and lovely game into a carebear-game with all this crap about harassment, if ppl cant shoot anything/anyone without the fear of that the other person could be offended and report you, what is left of the game? remove guns and drones is perhaps the next step 4. the ******** responce CCP gives atm, all from we cant draw aline to ppl are ******** for not knowing where the line is...
this snowballed so much harder then CCP would hope it would do and my guess is alot of wars will start over some of the comments being said here, lets just hope ppl dont get offended and cry to CCP about cause soon there wont be many players left if all are banned
The things that bugs me are as follow... 1. You are an idiot. Mr Epeen
This is abuse.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9707
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:44:00 -
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*facepalm*
The first two of those real life ones have never once been upheld in cases in which you don't know said person's name. While a butthurt MP in Britain recently proposed banning scamming in WoW, that is in no way an actual law. I didn't bother reading the other two, since I assume you are making the same mistake as with the first. That being, equating hurt feelings about losing at a videogame to actual harassment.
I cannot "harass" in any real world legal definition, a character in a video game.
And of course we already have several precedents of outright doxxing being A-O-kay with CCP, since they have allowed it done to me, Remiel, and Lady Areola at least. Notably, we are all "bad guys" in this game, although one of us is female. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4978
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:50:00 -
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I have decided what I'm going to do about it all, though.
No more just letting people abuse me in mails, and local, and the forums, etc. Oh I'm still gonna shoot em, and extract the tears. It's how they choose to apply the tears that I'm interested in.
Because I get abused in game on a daily basis. I'm sure plenty of people do, and refrain from reporting because they find it more amusing than actually upsetting. Well, I'm done with amusing. I'm reporting each and every single one of them as it happens.
Someone posted a thread that the other day about what statistics we'd like to see. I'd like to see statistics on how many people doing the abusing because I'll bet with enough reporting of ALL the abuse that's actually taking place, most are actually the carebears, not the pirates, gankers, or 'villains' in general. I know we won't because "privacy policy" but, those are still the stats I'd like to see the most.
LS makes a perfect case in point.
Commence Operation REPORT ALL THE THINGS!! GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9707
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:55:00 -
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Remiel, I think I may join you in that endeavor.
Granted, I know the results ahead of time. They will be reported for saying vile, disgusting, ToS violating things in local, and they will keep on playing the game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4979
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Remiel, I think I may join you in that endeavor.
Granted, I know the results ahead of time. They will be reported for saying vile, disgusting, ToS violating things in local, and they will keep on playing the game.
Keep records, add to watchlist, etc etc. If things don't improve, I'll be leaving and in my wake, a nice big long trail of CCP failure. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Pleistarchus Shikkoken
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:03:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:It isn't our job to dictate to people how to maintain a base standard of human decency toward one another, and we're not going to do so. So don't scam or gank, as these aren't acts of human decency. CCP Falcon wrote:The bottom line is that it's down to members of the community to know where the line crosses from common decency to harassment. Really? That's cute, because a good portion of your community believes that scamming and ganking constitute harassment.
So you have these 2 situations.
a) You destroy a ship from a guy in space and get going.
b) You destroy a ship from a guy in space, then convo him saying that you will give him a brand new fitted ship if he goes to a certain TS, and in there you start humilliating him always with the promisse that hif the guy supports the humilliation, he will be having the ship back. In the meanwhile you're recording the "conversation" and in the end, publish the entire "session" in the internet.
For you the situation is the same. There is no diference at all between both.
You either are just arguing because you want to be against or you're just stupid (sorry if you feel harrassed here). Probaly both. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20744
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:03:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:What concerns me (and frankly should concern everyone) is people are being banned because of who their friends are. Show me your friends and I will tell you who you are - unknownNo tears shed for anyone who got banned. Yeah so I went to school with this guy who decided to go to Syria this year & cut off peoples heads because of religion. We got along pretty well so by your definition I'm definately a terrorist. Sure why not. I don't particularly care whether you are innocent or not - should have kept better company dude. Hang with bad people - get treated as such. Welcome to the real world. This coming from a poster who has repeatedly condoned real world violence as retaliation for actions carried out in the context of a virtual world, involving virtual assets that ultimately belong to nobody but CCP.
You're far worse than those you despise.
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Josef Djugashvilis
2512
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:14:00 -
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How many players were banned, or are folk just assuming, 'lots' because it makes all the forum rage more fun?
What do folk know about the actual reasons for the alleged mass bans, rather than idle speculation on the forums because it is more fun than the possible reality of the alleged mass bans?
'I know someone, who met someone, who said he knew someone who was banned because they never ever did anything wrong, is not really good enough, even though it is more fun to post about in this threadnaught'. This is not a signature. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6046
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:22:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:How many players were banned, or are folk just assuming, 'lots' because it makes all the forum rage more fun?
What do folk know about the actual reasons for the alleged mass bans, rather than idle speculation on the forums because it is more fun than the possible reality of the alleged mass bans?
From what I've been able to find out, about six were banned. So it was a MASSIVE BAN WAVE!!!!!!!
No actual reasons have been forwarded by CCP. So it was BANNING FOR NO REASON!!!!!!!
Nothing like a good hysterical forum meltdown to something that happens every day in this game.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
evepal
Scholar of Rationality
54
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:23:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: The first two of those real life ones have never once been upheld in cases in which you don't know said person's name.
Quite the anecedotal statement to make, here's some evidence contrary to this statement:
Quote:"West Midlands officer detained after victim of harassment went to court to force Facebook to reveal details of her abusers." Source: - http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/aug/29/police-officer-arrested-facebook-trolling
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I didn't bother reading the other two, since I assume you are making the same mistake as with the first.
Here's a great example of a division fallacy.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I cannot "harass" in any real world legal definition, a character in a video game.
No one has said this. Please don't provide strawman examples.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:And of course we already have several precedents of outright doxxing being A-O-kay with CCP, since they have allowed it done to me, Remiel, and Lady Areola at least. Notably, we are all "bad guys" in this game, although one of us is female.
As noted prior Remiel has only anecdotal evidence to support this claim. Can you provide any evidence to support this?
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
539
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:30:00 -
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evepal wrote: demolishing Kaarous Aldurald
Kaarous Aldurald got #REKT! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
7001
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:34:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:evepal wrote: demolishing Kaarous Aldurald Kaarous Aldurald got #REKT!
No he didnt
Stop harassing him "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1383
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:34:00 -
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Hai space lawyer!
Please contrast your above links with the following ones...
This.
This
and recently...
This.
I welcome your insights on how 'common sense' can be uniformly applied by the multitude of players in the 'sandbox' to make the right call on grey areas, when CCP marketing and CCP banhammer aren't even evidently on the same page?
F
Would you like to know more? |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4980
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:35:00 -
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evepal wrote:
As noted prior Remiel has only anecdotal evidence to support this claim. Can you provide any evidence to support this?
That wasn't noted at all. I have the evidence right here. Showing it to you would endanger ongoing police investigations. As far as I know, you're the person who doxxed me on an alt.
Despite that, are you willing to bet the safety of people you care about on the chance that we're making this **** up? Are you willing to trivialise our experiences?
I don't give much of a toss whether you think I'm making **** up or not tbh, who the **** are you that it matters? CCP have the evidence as well, I gave them all of it when I filed both petitions. That's what matters to me. My point, and my entire point, was that it was posted for everyone to see earlier in the year, and ignored, and I get to tell THOSE people, I told you so. You weren't there, so I'm not telling you. And I'm also not answering to you. Capiche?
And LS. Nobody's getting 'REKT' my dear. But you are engaging in more venomous abuse, again. When you call people sadists, do you do it with a straight face? That would both impress and concern me at the same time, but only temporarily because a few moments later I'll stop caring.
So you're number two on my Operation Report All The Things. I'm sorry I couldn't make you number one like you did me the other day, that was sweet of you but someone else beat you to it. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
evepal
Scholar of Rationality
55
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:39:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Hai space lawyer! Please contrast your above links with the following ones... This. Thisand recently... This. I welcome your insights on how 'common sense' can be uniformly applied by the multitude of players in the 'sandbox' to make the right call on grey areas, when CCP marketing and CCP banhammer aren't even evidently on the same page? F
Quite easily. Those refer to in game actions, made possible by game mechanics. No one here has been banned for in game villainy. As the original post quite clearly states "Real Life Harassment", which is in line with the harassment policy posted above.
Common sense in of itself refers to the nature of general consensus amongst the public. That's how it's "common". Personal incredulity doesn't absolve you from conducting harassment, there's no grey area in that regards. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
539
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:44:00 -
[924] - Quote
Remiel Pollard's butthurt level:
#VOLCANIC! |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4980
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:48:00 -
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And now you're trying to incite a reaction from me for your own sadistic pleasure. This is actual, legitimate harassment of me now LS, you know this right? It's the same kind of targeted and childish harassment you've been raging about others doing.
I'm glad we're getting to know each other though. It's been very enlightening for me, at least. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
845
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:49:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Hai space lawyer! Please contrast your above links with the following ones... This. Thisand recently... This. I welcome your insights on how 'common sense' can be uniformly applied by the multitude of players in the 'sandbox' to make the right call on grey areas, when CCP marketing and CCP banhammer aren't even evidently on the same page? F Sigh. This discussion is near impossible when you don't understand the difference between in-game and real life. I'm not blaming you for not understanding. Just trust me when I say (or not) that when CCP states you can be the "villain" or "everything is fair game" they mean in game. It doesn't apply to real life.
Successfully doinitwrongGäó since 2006.
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
539
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:50:00 -
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evepal is undefeated, standing tall at 3-0 and counting.
He will be moving up to the winner's bracket at this pace. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1383
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:51:00 -
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evepal wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Hai space lawyer! Please contrast your above links with the following ones... This. Thisand recently... This. I welcome your insights on how 'common sense' can be uniformly applied by the multitude of players in the 'sandbox' to make the right call on grey areas, when CCP marketing and CCP banhammer aren't even evidently on the same page? F Quite easily. Those refer to in game actions, made possible by game mechanics. No one here has been banned for in game villainy. As the original post quite clearly states "Real Life Harassment", which is in line with the harassment policy posted above. ... What about no actions? What about guilt-by-association bans? How does evidence that occurred contrast with the above links? If you are cool with those, you missed a key link to the communist manifesto...
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Would you like to know more? |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4980
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:52:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:evepal is undefeated, standing tall at 3-0 and counting.
He will be moving up to the winner's bracket at this pace.
EVE Forum Alt Circlejerk Detected. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
65
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:52:00 -
[930] - Quote
There is a perfect example of the kind of reprehensible conduct I'm talking about at https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=199310&p=27
After using bumping to trap a freighter, and the pilot choosing to self destruct rather than pay a ransom, the pilot came on the Eve forums to complain about the bumping mechanic and state that he was quitting the game. Instead of the ganker just being happy with the loot and moving, he came to the forum to rub it in with the comment "Can i haz ur stuffs?. The sole purpose is to further antagonize an already upset person for "tear harvesting" purposes. That's the kind of garbage that serves no purpose, leads to the kind of insults, etc... that we would like to avoid, and should have no place in the game. |
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