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Private Bank
Greifing is not a crime
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Posted - 2014.09.10 14:53:00 -
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Hi! Seems very weird from my sight. Why can't you password protect an SMA? from other members in corp? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6947
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Posted - 2014.09.10 14:59:00 -
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Why do you need to? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4754
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:03:00 -
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What Ramona is saying is, if you build a corp around people you can trust and work with, and have passed security checks, and you know how to set roles, which is corp management 101 (ie something you should learn or already know prior to setting up a corp and recruiting people), then you don't need a password. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
510
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:06:00 -
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Private Bank wrote:Hi! Seems very weird from my sight. Why can't you password protect an SMA? from other members in corp?
Because CCP is ******** sometimes... This is how majority of thefts occur in WH space. It seems like an easy change to make as well - just copy-paste code from secure freight containers.. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4755
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:07:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Private Bank wrote:Hi! Seems very weird from my sight. Why can't you password protect an SMA? from other members in corp? Because CCP is ******** sometimes... This is how majority of thefts occur in WH space. It seems like an easy change to make as well - just copy-paste code from secure freight containers..
No, the majority of thefts occur because corp members outsmart their dimwitted 'leaders', that's all. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
510
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:09:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Private Bank wrote:Hi! Seems very weird from my sight. Why can't you password protect an SMA? from other members in corp? Because CCP is ******** sometimes... This is how majority of thefts occur in WH space. It seems like an easy change to make as well - just copy-paste code from secure freight containers.. No, the majority of thefts occur because corp members outsmart their dimwitted 'leaders', that's all.
troll much?
welcome to my troll block list. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4755
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:10:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Private Bank wrote:Hi! Seems very weird from my sight. Why can't you password protect an SMA? from other members in corp? Because CCP is ******** sometimes... This is how majority of thefts occur in WH space. It seems like an easy change to make as well - just copy-paste code from secure freight containers.. No, the majority of thefts occur because corp members outsmart their dimwitted 'leaders', that's all. troll much? welcome to my troll block list.
WOOHOO!!
Wait....
Didn't you add me to that months ago already? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4785
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:11:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Private Bank wrote:Hi! Seems very weird from my sight. Why can't you password protect an SMA? from other members in corp? Because CCP is ******** sometimes... This is how majority of thefts occur in WH space. It seems like an easy change to make as well - just copy-paste code from secure freight containers.. No, the majority of thefts occur because corp members outsmart their dimwitted 'leaders', that's all. troll much?
welcome to my troll block list.lalalalalalalalalalaicanthearyousoimnotwronglalalalalalalalalalal =][= |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6947
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:14:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: the majority of thefts occur because corp members outsmart their dimwitted 'leaders', that's all.
Im not sure how pointing out that industrial AWOXing can happen is trolling. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4755
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:15:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: the majority of thefts occur because corp members outsmart their dimwitted 'leaders', that's all. Im not sure how pointing out that industrial AWOXing can happen is trolling.
Neither am I, but I don't argue with children. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
510
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:17:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Private Bank wrote:Hi! Seems very weird from my sight. Why can't you password protect an SMA? from other members in corp? Because CCP is ******** sometimes... This is how majority of thefts occur in WH space. It seems like an easy change to make as well - just copy-paste code from secure freight containers.. No, the majority of thefts occur because corp members outsmart their dimwitted 'leaders', that's all. troll much?
welcome to my troll block list.lalalalalalalalalalaicanthearyousoimnotwronglalalalalalalalalalal
And another one to block...
Sorry OP, looks like your post got derailed.
There are like 10-15 forums trolls here that do nothing but ****-post on the forums, it becomes a much better forum experience once you block them all, like scammers in Jita local. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6951
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:19:00 -
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So yes, as Im the "only" person apparently who hasnt derailed the thread by talking about trolls;
Can you tell me why you need to lock your corp members out of your SMA?
If you dont trust them it might be time to break out the kickhammer "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4761
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:22:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:....it becomes an echo chamber once you block the experienced voices of reason....
FTFY. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Xuse Senna
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:26:00 -
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Trust Issues http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7501/mindgamesceptionfinaldr.jpg |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4786
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:31:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: And another one to block...
Success!
n++(^o^)n+Å =][= |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:34:00 -
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Private Bank wrote:Hi! Seems very weird from my sight. Why can't you password protect an SMA? from other members in corp?
I think this will be adressed down the line once POS code and roles are rewritten. Would make operational security much easier to handle.
There is also another possibility - CCP intentionally wants to keep SMAs unprotected. Corp thefts, like it or not, do make the news.
But its silly, because how much stuff can you really take from an SMA - some mods, a couple of tengus? Couple of bil? Come on, its childs play. The real big thefts occur on director-level, and involve master wallets, not some line members' SMA with a ratting tengu in it. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:40:00 -
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Private Bank wrote:Hi! Seems very weird from my sight. Why can't you password protect an SMA? from other members in corp? If you lock other corp members out of it they can't refit ships on the fly unless there's an Orca with the SMB opened to corpmates available, something of some importance when you live out of a POS.
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:44:00 -
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Probably because CCP wants to keep awoxing alive. I mean, they made an entire trailer about it didn't they?
Corp friendly fire, rules for kicking players from corps, and this are all examples. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6956
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:56:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:Probably because CCP wants to keep awoxing alive. I mean, they made an entire trailer about it didn't they?
Corp friendly fire, restrictions on kicking undocked players from corps, and this are all examples. These mechanics have few practical purposes beyond allowing players to go rogue.
Forming a corp should be like *******
No glove, no love
Never put it in someone you dont know where theyve been
or be like me and keep it in the family.
Oh..
Wait....
No... THats not right...
ew "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4771
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Posted - 2014.09.10 15:57:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Jur Tissant wrote:Probably because CCP wants to keep awoxing alive. I mean, they made an entire trailer about it didn't they?
Corp friendly fire, restrictions on kicking undocked players from corps, and this are all examples. These mechanics have few practical purposes beyond allowing players to go rogue. Forming a corp should be like ******* No glove, no love Never put it in someone you dont know where theyve been or be like me and keep it in the family. Oh.. Wait.... No... THats not right... ew
It's not?
I've been doing it wrong then.
And I regret nothing. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24519
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:10:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:No, the majority of thefts occur because corp members outsmart their dimwitted 'leaders', that's all. troll much? How does that in any way constitute trolling?
Quote:Sorry OP, looks like your post got derailed. Not really, no. Someone just brought up the obvious and almost universal counter-point GÇ£why is this a problem?GÇ¥, or perhaps more accurately, GÇ£what is the problem you're trying to solve?GÇ¥
If the problem is one of corp culture and management, then mechanics is not a good (or even possible) solution to that problem. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Private Bank
Greifing is not a crime
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:18:00 -
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"why is this a problem" does it have to be a problem before it needs the option? Yes? Well lots of things have been added on which worked perfectly before, so why not just add this option. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24519
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:21:00 -
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Private Bank wrote:"why is this a problem" does it have to be a problem before it needs the option? Plenty of options already exists. Unless there is a problem, there's no reason to make even more complicated. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Nalia White
Tencus
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:22:00 -
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well it's a big issue i think... i already read threads from players asking why every corp they apply to rejects it for beeing a possible spy... if new players without any connection to existing players can't find a good corp because the corps are overly paranoid about beeing awoxed how can this be a good thing?
it's way to easy to awox in this game imo even if you are very careful as this example proofs when the obvious solution is: don't recruit... |
Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:23:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Private Bank wrote:Hi! Seems very weird from my sight. Why can't you password protect an SMA? from other members in corp? Because CCP is ******** sometimes... This is how majority of thefts occur in WH space. It seems like an easy change to make as well - just copy-paste code from secure freight containers.. No, the majority of thefts occur because corp members outsmart their dimwitted 'leaders', that's all. troll much? welcome to my troll block list.
So how much exactly did you lose because you trusted the wrong person?
It's OK. We are here for you. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6960
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:25:00 -
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Private Bank wrote:"why is this a problem" does it have to be a problem before it needs the option? Yes? Well lots of things have been added on which worked perfectly before, so why not just add this option.
Because it gives terrible CEOs yet another excuse to be terrible?
Why do you want it is really what Im asking.
Why do you need this? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24519
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:27:00 -
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Nalia White wrote:well it's a big issue i think... i already read threads from players asking why every corp they apply to rejects it for beeing a possible spy... if new players without any connection to existing players can't find a good corp because the corps are overly paranoid about beeing awoxed how can this be a good thing? What you're talking about there are useless corps run by incompetent people. Again, the tools they need already exist and making corp (and POS) management even more complicated than it already is will not make those corps and people less useless and incompetent GÇö it'll just give them more ways to fail. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4779
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:36:00 -
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Nalia White wrote:well it's a big issue i think... i already read threads from players asking why every corp they apply to rejects it for beeing a possible spy... if new players without any connection to existing players can't find a good corp because the corps are overly paranoid about beeing awoxed how can this be a good thing?
it's way to easy to awox in this game imo even if you are very careful as this example proofs when the obvious solution is: don't recruit...
In its history, RIGID (A Rather Intimidating Group Of Individuals) Alliance, currently on hiatus, recruited over 200 players, a mix of newbs and veterans, giving plenty of people that exhibited a keen attitude the opportunity to fly with and learn from us and our community, and was never awoxed once. Apart from the few times Praethis or I decided someone was annoying enough to blow up, but that's different.. Cases of mistaken recruitment most of the time.
Anyway, the point is, what you just posted was a load of bollux. It's easy to awox if the corp in question is stupid. It is most certainly not easy to awox in a well established community. And there's not a paranoid bone amongst us, to be quite honest. Caution =/= paranoia. Caution is just smart. If more people exercised it, I'd have less killmails. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:51:00 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:
So how much exactly did you lose because you trusted the wrong person?
It's OK. We are here for you.
I lost nothing, nor will I lose anything of value. Because I only allow normal people in my POS.
And even if my POS password somehow leaks and my hangars get emptied - I keep my stuff compartmentalized, so my losses will be limited to a few T3's and a carrier hull - a few bil at most - nothing that cant be replaced in a day.
"Whatever is in the wormhole, is already considered lost." - wise words.. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:53:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Private Bank wrote:Hi! Seems very weird from my sight. Why can't you password protect an SMA? from other members in corp? Because CCP is ******** sometimes... This is how majority of thefts occur in WH space. It seems like an easy change to make as well - just copy-paste code from secure freight containers.. No, the majority of thefts occur because corp members outsmart their dimwitted 'leaders', that's all.
This, actually.
In my 10 years of eve I have had roughly 5 actual corp theifts:
1) when I first started I had a director go inactive for a long while and I did not remove his roles, when he came back he took 300m (this was in 05 my corp had little money so was a big loss)
2) I borrowed isk for a director and was sloe to pay back, so he decided to steal money with intrest from the corp (if he had just taken what I owed I would of been cool, this one bothers me little, because well, it was me being stupid)
3) A director gave the 'config star base' role to a new wh member.. yea that did not well. (he ejected all ships and offlined pos. Th same director was on at thei time and was able to stip his roles and reolnie the pos, but it took an hour and a few ships were blown up/swipped before the got the theif out) I was not happy about that.
4) I had been in a c5 recently for about a year, my corp is semi mothballed. I had a director who was on military deployment and would play sometimes. Well he came home and I was semi inactive. Turns out I did not realize he was parked in my wh with his alt. He let his main in and proceded to clear out all the hangers. Took around 10b. Semes I did not learn my damn lesson from 10 years ago
Theift happens when you are stupid. If you pay attention and don't give out random roles you are fine. There are plenty of ways to midigate theft. I will however agree, corp roles and pos roles SUCK and need an overhaul. But not to stop theft, as that should still happen, but to make some of the roles easier to understand/give out, as well better access levels would be nice. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
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