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Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:35:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:http://i.imgur.com/HmYt0eQ.png Ahh, the past must-¦ve been awesome.
And now you got paplinks xD |
Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.09.16 19:31:00 -
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Charlie Firpol wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:http://i.imgur.com/HmYt0eQ.png Ahh, the past must-¦ve been awesome. And now you got paplinks xD If only Goons were still like that. Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification. |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
337
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Posted - 2014.09.16 20:02:00 -
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Valleria Darkmoon wrote: If only Goons were still like that.
In this game any alliance that thinks they have something to lose gets like that.
Goons are no exception and within Goons there are splinter groups who still (mostly) just PVP because PVP is fun.
Elsewhere in nullsec there *are* entities that never call CTA's because people just come without being forced. They may eventually lose their space to some group that is better organized but they always seem to resurface somewhere. I guess it turns out after all that some EVE players just log in for a good time.... Imagine that!
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Arkus Kane
UNN Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2014.09.16 21:24:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Been playing the game for 10 years. Been in many alliances that would hold you accountable for the isk efficiency of your corp or in some cases of individual characters/FC's.
I had a bit of an epiphany yesterday. I killed about 800mil in ships with losses of about 60mil. After all was said and done we went out again and ended up welping a fleet of bombers on a surprise cruiser fleet.
turns out that old timers like me were like, "bloody hell, we should have won that" but the newbies in our fleet were like "OMG WE HOTDROPPED!!! THIS IS AWESOME!!!! FC <3 <3 <3"
That op had an isk efficiency of zero. We lost 15 bombers and a rapier to zero kills. But it was fun to listen to comms when the new guys were like. "set it up again!", "do it again!"
Man.... At what point did I lose that feeling?
FD8K isk efficiency.
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Yeah, I'd say EVE is at it's most fun when you're not constantly thinking about efficiency, ISK/hour, killed/lost, blah blah blah.
All that stuff makes your experience in game more "worthwhile", but it also turns the game into a second job alarmingly easily.
I've found lately that I spend hundreds of millions on making more ISK without much hesitation at all, but feel strangely guilty buying vaguely nice ships or fancy mods that I actually get fun from. Which makes no sense, but keeps hitting me.
So my goal is also to stop thinking about ISK I'm spending all the time when it starts to impact my actual enjoyment, and occasionally just splash out and have fun like this without giving a crap |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.09.16 21:43:00 -
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game 1. a form of play or sport, especially a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.
Eve is a game
When I play a game I play it to win. Obviously you can't win eve but you can at times say you are winning at Eve. This may not be true for everyone but in my case I enjoy winning. Now for those that don't care to win I will declare your stance as participating. Maybe my childhood is what makes my stance different from everybody else but I was expected to win/do my best. I was taught that losing is not fun and should not be acceptable.
I want a winning killboard with a winning isk efficiency!
I can't be the only one that thinks this way jack1974 > can still call me zeus :) if you want Danalee > Jack is more humble :) |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1629
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Posted - 2014.09.17 10:42:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:What is this isk efficiency you speak of????
For me, when evaluating a pilot I like to see around an 80% win rate. That's my 'good pilot' sweet spot. Does well, but isn't afraid to get over his head and see just what that dual plated thorax can do. If I see a pilot w/ 95% or better I think risk averse cream puff, big fleet F1 monkey or some other not good term. I like guys not afraid to lose.
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Some are risk averse.. others, like us are just infinitely better than you at eve. Both types exist. You cannot take a simple value as isk efficiency and try to make a psychological analysis of a person. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Daerrol
Death By Design Did he say Jump
7
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Posted - 2014.09.17 11:42:00 -
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Join DbD. Fight 3v1 (you are the 1) . Lose lots. Win more. Listen to the plebs rage you brought a t3 strategic winship to a faction party |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries Chelonaphobia
471
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Posted - 2014.09.17 12:52:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:What is this isk efficiency you speak of????
For me, when evaluating a pilot I like to see around an 80% win rate. That's my 'good pilot' sweet spot. Does well, but isn't afraid to get over his head and see just what that dual plated thorax can do. If I see a pilot w/ 95% or better I think risk averse cream puff, big fleet F1 monkey or some other not good term. I like guys not afraid to lose.
C
Some are risk averse.. others, like us are just infinitely better than you at eve. Both types exist. You cannot take a simple value as isk efficiency and try to make a psychological analysis of a person.
Yeah I can. It may not be 100% accurate. It may put a label on you that you don't like. I don't do any psychological analysis. I see your high efficiency and in your personal case your corp, add the 2 data points and come up with my conclusion. Then I do what I see fit. Trust me on this.... you'll be ok wether I like your eve piloting style or not.
My point was I don't go by isk efficiency, but a collection of things that work for me. I'll be honest here, I haven't and probably won't look at your character stuff. It just doesn't matter to me. I think you're in a merc corp. If that's true then here's some advice - get some thicker skin and don't worry about what I think.
Now if you're thinking of joining my corp, then I'll look into things. We are taking on a few folks sellectively. You may have the stuff or you may not, but I'm sure not going to waste time looking at you unless I get something out of it. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
682
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Posted - 2014.09.17 13:10:00 -
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I did care about efficiency at first mainly because of other people, when I welped something expensive, corpmates would usually be like wtf were you doing, but as I got more into PvP I started to care less and less. Nowadays I just fly whatever I feel like, and if I lose it stupidly without killing anything, I just go out and get another ship and start over. I fly ships within my wallet and I tend to prefer flying cheaper ships so I've managed to make more isk then I can lose, and as long as I have a solid isk buffer I don't care at all what I lose anymore. I think this lesson is learnt after losing many ships and realizing that there's nothing you can do it about it short of turning into a risk-averse-falcon-alt-links24/7-neutrallogi-20man-gank pilot.
Ironically, the more you lose, the more fun you have. IMO |
Talas Dir
Super Happy Fun Corp
60
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Posted - 2014.09.17 19:11:00 -
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Getting more ISK just for the sake of having more ISK is stupid. The entire reason it's there is to accomplish goals that would be impossible without it (i.e holding sov over vast swathes of space) or getting a reaction (welping an expensive ship for instance). If all you do is watch that green number in your wallet get bigger just for the sake of it, you should ask yourself why you're playing an MMO in the first place. |
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1639
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:39:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:What is this isk efficiency you speak of????
For me, when evaluating a pilot I like to see around an 80% win rate. That's my 'good pilot' sweet spot. Does well, but isn't afraid to get over his head and see just what that dual plated thorax can do. If I see a pilot w/ 95% or better I think risk averse cream puff, big fleet F1 monkey or some other not good term. I like guys not afraid to lose.
C
Some are risk averse.. others, like us are just infinitely better than you at eve. Both types exist. You cannot take a simple value as isk efficiency and try to make a psychological analysis of a person. Yeah I can. It may not be 100% accurate. It may put a label on you that you don't like. I don't do any psychological analysis. I see your high efficiency and in your personal case your corp, add the 2 data points and come up with my conclusion. Then I do what I see fit. Trust me on this.... you'll be ok wether I like your eve piloting style or not. My point was I don't go by isk efficiency, but a collection of things that work for me. I'll be honest here, I haven't and probably won't look at your character stuff. It just doesn't matter to me. I think you're in a merc corp. If that's true then here's some advice - get some thicker skin and don't worry about what I think. Now if you're thinking of joining my corp, then I'll look into things. We are taking on a few folks sellectively. You may have the stuff or you may not, but I'm sure not going to waste time looking at you unless I get something out of it.
Then I shall make a similar analysis .. calling PoH risk averse means you are completely ignorant or a player so horrible that cannot grasp the concept of being good in PVP. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries Chelonaphobia
479
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:55:00 -
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I've re read and re read. It's clear to me that I've never actually proffered my opinion on you, your corp or anyone elses. I said I have an opinion, but I never gave it.
Here's my recommendation. Go to one of those day spa things. Get naked. Let them put the hot towel over your giblets. Let them put cucumbers over your eyes and the ooey gooey cream on your face. Get your toe nails done. Breath in the soft sweet aroma of that cangle on the back table. Breath deeply. Listen to the waterfall in the lobby. Just kind of sink back into your self and go with the Enya music playing in the back ground.
TL/DR
Please relax a bit. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1639
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:08:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I've re read and re read. It's clear to me that I've never actually proffered my opinion on you, your corp or anyone elses. I said I have an opinion, but I never gave it.
Here's my recommendation. Go to one of those day spa things. Get naked. Let them put the hot towel over your giblets. Let them put cucumbers over your eyes and the ooey gooey cream on your face. Get your toe nails done. Breath in the soft sweet aroma of that cangle on the back table. Breath deeply. Listen to the waterfall in the lobby. Just kind of sink back into your self and go with the Enya music playing in the back ground.
TL/DR
Please relax a bit.
I am paid to be angry at forums... so NO!! "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12320
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:09:00 -
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Charlie Firpol wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote:http://i.imgur.com/HmYt0eQ.png Ahh, the past must-¦ve been awesome. And now you got paplinks xD
Goonwaffe gets nothing from paplinks and does not care about them at all. Sky Captain of Your Heart
Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn |
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
760
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Posted - 2014.09.18 22:46:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I've re read and re read. It's clear to me that I've never actually proffered my opinion on you, your corp or anyone elses. I said I have an opinion, but I never gave it.
No anger from us. We pay Kagura to stay angry and do what he does best.
Might be a few non-fda approved drugs put in his drinks too..... woops. jack1974 > can still call me zeus :) if you want Danalee > Jack is more humble :) |
Dalto Bane
V I R I I Ineluctable.
135
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:28:00 -
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OP, your post is a breath of fresh air! I tend to keep an eye on my KB as to know when to tighten up my belt but I have found that not giving it too much emphasis is the only way to truly enjoy Eve. Dalto Bane for CSM10- Getting an early start. -á-My posts are my platform
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2014.09.19 15:46:00 -
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I'm surprised, to be honest, at the number of people who posted on this thread without saying, "the OP fails at EVE" or "the only thing worse than a loser is a loser who posts about it" .....or whatever. I was really expecting people to react to this with chest thumping and counting pubic hairs.
I'm flattered, in some way, by the number of people who have said that I somehow got my fingers behind the key to enjoying EVE. To be honest, I feel that way too.
I think for the next few weeks I'll run nothing but T1/T2 frigate roams so I can share this experience of realizing that winning and having fun are not necessarily the same.
Of course having fun AND winning is the bigger kick. Lets' not be naieve. But having fun MAKES you the winner... and I want to get this thinking out there. I can't pretend that I can cause a paradigm shift through all of EVE but I have access to a lot of newbies who are flying in their first fleets and I by my reaction to a fight I can help them realise that winning EVE and having fun in EVE are two different things.
Massive thank you to everyone who posted in this thread!
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