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Deirdre Semmes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.12 05:50:00 -
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Hi gals & guys,
I don't get T2 Rigs. They cost so much in calibration (300 out of the 400 your ship can bear) that I don't get their 'principle'? Is the aim here is to fit one T2 rig, one T1, 100 cal rig and leave the 3rd one empty?
I checked and even T2 ships have 400 calibrations, so they are not specifically for these ships... |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.12 06:01:00 -
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One of the bigger themes in EVE is that linear improvements in power come at exponential costs.
If you compare the stats and costs between Tech 1, Tech 2, Faction, Deadspace, and Officer items (and ships) you will see this theme there as well.
With the system, people who want that extra "edge" (who generally are older, richer players) must pay through the nose (both ISK and stat-wise) to be better than everyone else. But they can never gain that "edge" that makes them "untouchable." Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2014.09.12 06:43:00 -
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It's also worth noting that not all T2 rigs have a calibration of 300.
Some examples: Anti-explosive pump II: 75 Hybrid Ambit Extension II: 150
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Luwc
Brodozers Inc.
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Posted - 2014.09.12 06:57:00 -
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Deirdre Semmes wrote:Hi gals & guys,
I don't get T2 Rigs. They cost so much in calibration (300 out of the 400 your ship can bear) that I don't get their 'principle'? Is the aim here is to fit one T2 rig, one T1, 100 cal rig and leave the 3rd one empty?
I checked and even T2 ships have 400 calibrations, so they are not specifically for these ships...
well you get a decent bonus.
so why not use the calibration you have left ?
Especially with tanking or propulsion rigs. http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Belesia Velorea
The Fiendish Pixies
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Posted - 2014.09.12 06:58:00 -
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Stacking penalties factor in. Having multiple tech 1 rigs on top of modules that affect the same stat might put the stacking penalties so high that the second rig is giving very little bonus. In such a situation you might even find a single tech 2 rig gives as much or more increase over 2 tech 1 rigs. |
Cherri Minoa
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2014.09.12 08:57:00 -
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T2 modules generally (not always) give an advantage over T1 modules and people quite rightly train and fit accordingly. However, most people most of the time use T1 rigs. They will be all you need for the majority of your fits. Later you may find a requirement for T2 rigs, but don't worry about it to begin with. "If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:42:00 -
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Deirdre Semmes wrote:Hi gals & guys,
I don't get T2 Rigs. They cost so much in calibration (300 out of the 400 your ship can bear) that I don't get their 'principle'? Is the aim here is to fit one T2 rig, one T1, 100 cal rig and leave the 3rd one empty?
I checked and even T2 ships have 400 calibrations, so they are not specifically for these ships...
Uhm. Why fit T2 rigs?
Stop with the "normal MMO" thinking about bigger = better.
T2 rigs don't have to be better then T1 if you take into account more then just raw stats.
Why fit a T2 rig, when a T1 will suffice and make the ship a bit cheaper (in case of when it blows up) to replace for instance. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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Deirdre Semmes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.12 09:55:00 -
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The stacking penalty thing is a good tip though. This is where using one +15% over 2 +10% makes quite some sense. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:09:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Deirdre Semmes wrote:Hi gals & guys,
I don't get T2 Rigs. They cost so much in calibration (300 out of the 400 your ship can bear) that I don't get their 'principle'? Is the aim here is to fit one T2 rig, one T1, 100 cal rig and leave the 3rd one empty?
I checked and even T2 ships have 400 calibrations, so they are not specifically for these ships... Uhm. Why fit T2 rigs? Stop with the "normal MMO" thinking about bigger = better. T2 rigs don't have to be better then T1 if you take into account more then just raw stats. Why fit a T2 rig, when a T1 will suffice and make the ship a bit cheaper (in case of when it blows up) to replace for instance.
A perfect example is the Small Anti-EM shield rig. T1 costs 50k last I checked in jita. T2 costs around 5~8 mil. Most shield tanking frigs will want to plug their EM holes up especially in FW so they use those alot. Now imagine putting a t2 EM rig on your kestrel. I guarantee you that that T2 rig costs more than your entire hull+fittings. |
Major Trant
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:10:00 -
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A lot of going off at a tangent in this thread.
OP you seem to have assumed that all T2 rigs have a 300 calibration cost. This is not the case. Their actual cost is the T1 cost +50% in most cases. So with an Anti-EM rig the T1 Cost is 50 and the T2 cost is 75. With a rate of fire rig, the T1 cost is 200 and the T2 cost is 300.
You get a better rig but like T2 modules it comes with a bigger fitting cost which may lead to compromises with what you fit in those other rig slots. CTRL-Q - Minmatar FW - Low Sec PvP - Euro TZ - New Player Friendly Contact: Major Trant In game channel: FeO Public Recruitment thread: CTRL-Q |
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:08:00 -
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Also t2 ships only have two rig slots. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:30:00 -
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Deirdre Semmes wrote:The stacking penalty thing is a good tip though. This is where using one +15% over 2 +10% makes quite some sense.
the tech two burst aerator rigs are my favorite because of that. damage mods have a 10.5% rate of fire bonus and normal stacking penalty. As stacking penalties go from biggest to smallest you gain a much larger advantage by throwing a +15% on the front as opposed to the smallest possible value of 10% at the end. you add 100% of 15% and shift a 10.5% bonus from being not very effective to almost not effective at all vs a 1% of 10% on the end? I forget how the stacking penalty hits on the last few items, but in terms of 1000 dps I think it hits the tens place.
that said they do take up 300 calibration so that eats up nearly everything on a faction ship, and a ton on a t2/t1 ship. but when you have 4 damage mods a t2 damage rig is the only thing that will meaningfully push dps higher. (okay on my fof cnr with max skills and 5% implants I'm thinking about fitting a 5th bcu as I've left a bunch of ships in very low structure)
Also with all the changes that have hit over the years there are many places where fitting a t2 rig is very cost effective. And as pointed out many t2 rigs don't use 300 calibration. Like that one poster I wouldn't put an 8mil EM rig on a t1 frig, but I would put it on a faction frig. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2014.09.14 09:33:00 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:Also t2 ships only have two rig slots. I was skimming the replies thinking to myself 'why isn't anybody saying that T2 rigs make the most sense in T2 ships, because of the 2 rig slots and the higher hull value?'.
Then somebody said it.
Obviously Cara.
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Azda Ja
BUMP POW
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Posted - 2014.09.14 09:40:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Obviously Cara.
+1!
Always.
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2014.09.14 15:35:00 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Obviously Cara.
+1!
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.09.15 06:29:00 -
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Not sure if it was mentioned yet, but T2 ships only have 2 rig slots. Hence one may want to may the most effective use of them.
In general, T2 rigs are only used on ships that are less likely to be destroyed, however small T2 rigs and resist rigs in general are the least expensive. |
Areen Sassel
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Posted - 2014.09.15 10:27:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:With the system, people who want that extra "edge" (who generally are older, richer players) must pay through the nose (both ISK and stat-wise) to be better than everyone else. But they can never gain that "edge" that makes them "untouchable."
Well, yes, but the OP's point is that with T2 rigs one can pay through the nose and get less edge than with T1 rigs. (Yes, there are later posts actually answering that question, there is no need to reiterate them.) |
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