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Random Womble
Emo Rangers Electric Monkey Overlords
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Posted - 2014.09.14 18:13:00 -
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It has just come to my attention the contrary to previous statements that CCP would not sell in game assets that would compete with the player driven market and production they are infact offering a limited number of items (as part of a set of "Add-ons" as well as their starter packs) in steam.
Where this differs from previous offerings is that items have been only attainable through packs and not able to be player produced these new Add-on packs include standard ships Sigil, breacher, heron and Epithal, minerals, items like cargo expanders and blueprints (presumably BPCs)
While the cost of these pack presumably makes them less efficient for getting the items than buying a plex the impact is potentially far worse and potentially the tip of a more direct pay to win iceberg.
Perhaps i have missed the boat on this and perhaps not everyone else will be so enraged
the links are as follows btw.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/320551/ http://store.steampowered.com/app/320552/ http://store.steampowered.com/app/320553/ http://store.steampowered.com/app/320553/
no doubt i am well behind in this |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
1347
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Posted - 2014.09.14 18:14:00 -
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PAY TO WIN BANTAMS! One of the oldest mission players in EVE designed a chart that explains stat priority in regards to mission running, compared Alpha, DPS, Ship Speed and Sig Radius and scores them. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24dbrfuWn1r86ax8o1_1280.jpg |
Paranoid Loyd
1850
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Posted - 2014.09.14 18:15:00 -
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We already went over this. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
12599
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Posted - 2014.09.14 18:25:00 -
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Random Womble wrote: While the cost of these pack presumably makes them less efficient for getting the items than buying a plex the impact is potentially far worse and potentially the tip of a more direct pay to win iceberg.
Could you explain the connection between the first half and second half of the sentence?
(1) they are a worse deal per dollar (2) none of the items received are anything but of the starter variety (3) all of them can be purchased in game
I think these don't fit the definition of pay to win. What kind of "winning" is somebody enjoying after buying one of these packs? Can you provide an example?
lol rolling on floor.. i would probably be laughing though.. not crying --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
257
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Posted - 2014.09.14 18:27:00 -
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In principle this is wrong.
While the value/quantity of stuff being magicked into existence is small, it sets a terrible precedent. CCP will probably point to this precedent later to justify far more sandbox-breaking, pay-to-win 'offers.' |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
12615
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Posted - 2014.09.14 18:37:00 -
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AkJon Ferguson wrote:In principle this is wrong.
While the value/quantity of stuff being magicked into existence is small, it sets a terrible precedent. CCP will probably point to this precedent later to justify far more sandbox-breaking, pay-to-win 'offers.'
Can you tell me the difference between the example below and the OP's links? http://venturebeat.com/2014/02/02/the-elder-scrolls-online-imperial-vs-standard-edition-preorder-comparison/
lol rolling on floor.. i would probably be laughing though.. not crying --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24552
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Posted - 2014.09.14 18:48:00 -
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This has been discussed many times over. This is no different than the starter packs they've offered before (aside from being rather bad deals in terms of what you get for your money).
The impact on the market is zero. The impact on the game is zero. The impact on competition is zero. The attractiveness for new players is +¦ GÇö not much, but it probably helps. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
684
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Posted - 2014.09.14 18:54:00 -
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Sometimes you really have to work hard to track down the source of the problems. Untangling everything can be so difficult. When I'm working really hard trying to track down the source of a conspiracy, I find that it helps a lot to put on a hat I had made especially for this situation. It calms me, soothes me, and it's orange with white letters across the front that say TINFOIL.
After I put on my hat, and I am calm, I just have to ask myself, "Qui Butthurt?" And everything falls into place. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon |
Solecist Project
9918
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Posted - 2014.09.14 18:57:00 -
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Hm... maybe start a female Trucker and honour Tippia with it ...
... but then there's this huge weird sexual flavour I would add ... ... because Truckers are lonely all the time...... ... flying through space, only their coms that give them company ......
.... and suddenly, a whole universe inflates inside my imagination ....
.... Amarrian, female Trucker ...... oooohhhhhhhh yessss ............. *snickers xD*
*sips green tea with honey* (: :) |
Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
92
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Posted - 2014.09.14 18:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:This has been discussed many times over. This is no different than the starter packs they've offered before (aside from being rather bad deals in terms of what you get for your money).
The impact on the market is zero. The impact on the game is zero. The impact on competition is zero. The attractiveness for new players is +¦ GÇö not much, but it probably helps.
Not entirely zero impact. But probably not a significant impact.
These starter packs, offer clothing items, some of which were previously only available for a brief time for a promotional boxed copy of EVE in i think Russia (the red/gold female coat), or on the EVE Collectors edition box (the green/gold coats). As time goes by, then those items would have increased supply, and probably drop in prices.
Other than that, vOv |
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
514
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Posted - 2014.09.14 19:12:00 -
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This is the greatest miscarriage of all that is good, proper, and fair since they put OJ in jail!
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2001
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Posted - 2014.09.14 19:18:00 -
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Quote: The Colonist Add-On Pack includes: The Epithal industrial ship A full set of skillbooks and equipment to kit out and fly your ship Cargo expander modules to increase your shipGÇÖs cargo capacity Command Centers for creating planetary colonies Avatar apparel: male GÇ£EsquireGÇ¥ and female GÇ£ExecutorGÇ¥ coats (red/gold)
Yes, game breaking stuff right here!!! EVE needs more Pssshhhh |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2915
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Posted - 2014.09.14 19:44:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Hm... maybe start a female Trucker and honour Tippia with it ...
... but then there's this huge weird sexual flavour I would add ... ... because Truckers are lonely all the time...... ... flying through space, only their coms that give them company ......
.... and suddenly, a whole universe inflates inside my imagination ....
.... Amarrian, female Trucker ...... oooohhhhhhhh yessss ............. *snickers xD*
*sips green tea with honey*
Time to say that your current avatar is one of the most sexually suggestive I've seen ever. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Solecist Project
9918
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Posted - 2014.09.14 19:50:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Time to say that your current avatar is one of the most sexually suggestive I've seen ever. I am happy to say that I finally started enjoying your thread in OOPE... (: Tiny steps...
And thanks... :) (: :) |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4467
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Posted - 2014.09.14 20:15:00 -
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Random Womble wrote:It has just come to my attention the contrary to previous statements that CCP would not sell in game assets that would compete with the player driven market and production they are infact offering a limited number of items (as part of a set of "Add-ons" as well as their starter packs) in steam. Where this differs from previous offerings is that items have been only attainable through packs and not able to be player produced these new Add-on packs include standard ships Sigil, breacher, heron and Epithal, minerals, items like cargo expanders and blueprints (presumably BPCs) While the cost of these pack presumably makes them less efficient for getting the items than buying a plex the impact is potentially far worse and potentially the tip of a more direct pay to win iceberg. Perhaps i have missed the boat on this and perhaps not everyone else will be so enraged the links are as follows btw. http://store.steampowered.com/app/320551/http://store.steampowered.com/app/320552/http://store.steampowered.com/app/320553/http://store.steampowered.com/app/320553/no doubt i am well behind in this
So wow....you get items worth about 1 mil ISK.
YEAH REAL Pay2Win is here
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JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1129
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Posted - 2014.09.14 20:17:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Hm... maybe start a female Trucker and honour Tippia with it ...
... but then there's this huge weird sexual flavour I would add ... ... because Truckers are lonely all the time...... ... flying through space, only their coms that give them company ......
.... and suddenly, a whole universe inflates inside my imagination ....
.... Amarrian, female Trucker ...... oooohhhhhhhh yessss ............. *snickers xD*
*sips green tea with honey*
Put on a shirt! |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.14 20:30:00 -
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Buy Plex, Sell for ISK, get more stuff than those packages.
Forum Main |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5841
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Posted - 2014.09.14 20:56:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:Buy Plex, Sell for ISK, get more stuff than those packages.
Or simply do some tutorial missions and get even more for free.
Must be a slow conspiracy day for EVE. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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Solecist Project
9921
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:37:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Put on a shirt! Why don't you ........................ ....................... take yours off? ;) (: :) |
Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
109
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Posted - 2014.09.14 22:27:00 -
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So op you feel this is the start of pay-to-win.
Well, too early to say.
Might be the start of seeing more items being sold, but even that might not turn out to be pay-to-win.
I did actually notice those packs whilst browsing one website (not Steam) that was selling them.
Would be great if you got 3 mil sp to use as you will in a starter pack, it would get you into your profession quicker. |
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Carmen Electra
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
5968
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Posted - 2014.09.14 23:30:00 -
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OP, so tl;dr do you want me to be mad?
I can be mad if u want me to be. eve is not dying |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
12665
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:15:00 -
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All I see is snipe.. lol rolling on floor.. i would probably be laughing though.. not crying --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
GordonO
The Oasis Group
64
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:19:00 -
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Pay to win has been here for a while now.. buy plex.. but a character .. buy more plex, sell in game.. and buy stuff.. . |
Rain6637
Team Evil
18892
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:22:00 -
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the coats aren't available on NES, so the clothing items were free for the rest of us.
the other things... command centers... lol. really don't care what people do with command centers.
it could involve different items and be pay to win, but in this case it's pay to do the same thing everyone else can do for free.
if this ever goes 7its up, the even better thing than unsubbing is continuing to play using plex harvested from PVE.
we can all play the magic isk faucet game. there are plenty of ISK sources that can be scaled to accomodate all of eve President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5847
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:26:00 -
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GordonO wrote:Pay to win has been here for a while now.. buy plex.. but a character .. buy more plex, sell in game.. and buy stuff.. ... all of which are available to anyone in game without paying a cent.
Pay to win? Not so much. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
Ranger 1 Presents https://www.youtube.com/user/Ranger1Presents |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5184
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:34:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Quote: The Colonist Add-On Pack includes: The Epithal industrial ship A full set of skillbooks and equipment to kit out and fly your ship Cargo expander modules to increase your shipGÇÖs cargo capacity Command Centers for creating planetary colonies Avatar apparel: male GÇ£EsquireGÇ¥ and female GÇ£ExecutorGÇ¥ coats (red/gold)
Yes, game breaking stuff right here!!!
Also, if I remember correctly, didn't those coats go out to a whole bunch of people for Christmas last year or something? I had was, Rem was wearing it for ages.... until I noticed everyone else wearing it as well, anyway. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5184
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:39:00 -
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GordonO wrote:Pay to win has been here for a while now.. buy plex.. but a character .. buy more plex, sell in game.. and buy stuff..
And what is it that you win doing things this way? Cuz a newbro who knows nothing about the game sure won't accomplish much.
Also, it's not pay to win. Let me tell you why. Whatever brief, marginal advantage throwing a bunch of money at the game does for one guy, there's always a blob out there somewhere full of people who spent a fraction of what he did in a Tornado gang waiting to take what he spent all that money on away from him, permanently. That's right, you got it. Permaloss = not pay to win. Once it's gone, you ain't getting it back. Ain't no 'binding' or 'collections' in EVE like in SWTOR. Once that ship pops, and thos officer modules drop, they're gone for good - unless you dump another thousand bucks into it or somesuch...
Anyway, EVE is less "pay to win" than it is "pay at your own risk". GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
952
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:40:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Quote: The Colonist Add-On Pack includes: The Epithal industrial ship A full set of skillbooks and equipment to kit out and fly your ship Cargo expander modules to increase your shipGÇÖs cargo capacity Command Centers for creating planetary colonies Avatar apparel: male GÇ£EsquireGÇ¥ and female GÇ£ExecutorGÇ¥ coats (red/gold)
Yes, game breaking stuff right here!!! Also, if I remember correctly, didn't those coats go out to a whole bunch of people for Christmas last year or something? I had was, Rem was wearing it for ages.... until I noticed everyone else wearing it as well, anyway.
yes my 'bank' alt has them either x-mas or with the SD:SE i forget which OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Carmen Electra
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
5968
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:44:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:All I see is snipe.. GÖÑ eve is not dying |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1272
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:56:00 -
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GordonO wrote:Pay to win has been here for a while now.. buy plex.. but a character .. buy more plex, sell in game.. and buy stuff.. Well, the fact that the gameis not pay to win has been elaborated upon already, all I'll add is that you can't pay to win in a game you can't win.
The more popular model than pay to win these days is pay to progress faster. EVE does have this in a sense, however unlike for example War Thunder, the progression system in EVE is not a tacked on grind to get to the 'good stuff' that makes the game a chore to play to encourage you to pay, rather it is what makes the game an RPG, and the good stuff is found at all levels.
So really, even if you do buy characters or whatever, you're not really progressing faster, you're just cutting out some of the substance of the game to get to the bigger explosions faster, doing no-one but yourself a disservice in the process. [witty image] - Stream |
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