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Dal Denai
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Posted - 2006.08.03 00:09:00 -
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Just a curious thought, if Tux and Hammer recognize that a MWD cap bonus is rather trashy, changing it to the suggested mass redux bonus, which looks rather nice, is it probable to see the bonus on other ships like the Thorax, Deimos, Vigilant, etc. changed
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Bazman
Caldari The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.08.03 00:16:00 -
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screw the mass reduction, might as well stick it with the 7.5% armour rep efficency bonus. Lets be serious, the Hyperion can only be reasonably balanced if its top speed is equal to or only slightly less than the fastest of the teir 2/3 Battleships. Mass reduction is just going to turn it into a Hyperbond :p -----
Sig removed, maximum allowed image dimensions are 400x120 and maximum allowed size is 24,000 bytes. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -wystler Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
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Pattern Clarc
Dark Destiny Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.03 00:17:00 -
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and whats wrong with a hyperbond ???!11?! with 1200 dps, i'll take that, thankies.
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Bazman
Caldari The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.08.03 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Pattern Clarc and whats wrong with a hyperbond ???!11?! with 1200 dps, i'll take that, thankies.
Though the thought of a Hyperbond interests me, I don't think its worth bringing down the End of Days on the forums :p -----
Sig removed, maximum allowed image dimensions are 400x120 and maximum allowed size is 24,000 bytes. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -wystler Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
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Pattern Clarc
Dark Destiny Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.03 00:21:00 -
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the demios needs a serious boast, as a one trick pony, it's extremely vunible. With weapon ranges so small, it makes sence having some reasonible speed boosts.
ATM it's
Mimitar . . Amarr Gallente . . Caldari
In the speed table.
Gall shouldn't get direct speed increases, but should atleast be faster than the amarr, or be more effiecient in speed boost tech.
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Dal Denai
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Posted - 2006.08.03 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pattern Clarc Gall shouldn't get direct speed increases, but should atleast be faster than the amarr, or be more effiecient in speed boost tech.
Which is exactly what a %mass reduction bonus, like the currently proposed one for the Hyperion, would do.
Base speed would remain unchanged, but the reduced mass would make ABs and MWDs have a much increased effect, and the reduced mass would make those ships a good bit more agile, and who doesn't want an agile Deimos?
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Pattern Clarc
Dark Destiny Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.03 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dal Denai
Which is exactly what a %mass reduction bonus, like the currently proposed one for the Hyperion, would do.
Base speed would remain unchanged, but the reduced mass would make ABs and MWDs have a much increased effect, and the reduced mass would make those ships a good bit more agile, and who doesn't want an agile Deimos?
LoL Are you dissagreeing or agreeing with me? :P
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Sovereign533
Caldari 133rd Ghost Wing
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Posted - 2006.08.03 00:30:00 -
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yeah, make the Deimos even stronger, it's not powerfull enough. sry for the sarcasm, but with 5 t2 medium drones, 5 t2 blasters.. and taking the double dmg bonus + falloff bonus in count.. it is really dangerous.. and i know that blasters use more cap then rails, you also need to run a tank.. so every bit of cap helps.. this ship is dangerous at short range..
but i bet i misunderstand this.. what is so bad with 25% less cap penalty for the Deimos?
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Hamatitio
Caldari Fate. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.03 01:36:00 -
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Deimos' look good on paper, but IMO they are definitely in the bottom 3 of the HAC world. ---
Originally by: Wrangler ...why do you people always have to verbally assault each other over things that doesn't matter anyway?
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Sovereign533
Caldari 133rd Ghost Wing
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Posted - 2006.08.03 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio Deimos' look good on paper, but IMO they are definitely in the bottom 3 of the HAC world.
but why is that then? nice resistances, bonusses seem nice, drone bay is nice, speed is nice..
and love your sig btw ^_^
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.03 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sovereign533
Originally by: Hamatitio Deimos' look good on paper, but IMO they are definitely in the bottom 3 of the HAC world.
but why is that then? nice resistances, bonusses seem nice, drone bay is nice, speed is nice..
and love your sig btw ^_^
the mass and agility sucks, it has marginally better fittings when compared with the thorax. -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Darpz
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.08.03 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sovereign533
Originally by: Hamatitio Deimos' look good on paper, but IMO they are definitely in the bottom 3 of the HAC world.
but why is that then? nice resistances, bonusses seem nice, drone bay is nice, speed is nice..
and love your sig btw ^_^
the main reason is Blasterships need 4 slots to work. Deimos has only 3, that added with the marginal fittings and you have your reason
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Bloodst0ne
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.03 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sovereign533
Originally by: Hamatitio Deimos' look good on paper, but IMO they are definitely in the bottom 3 of the HAC world.
but why is that then? nice resistances, bonusses seem nice, drone bay is nice, speed is nice..
and love your sig btw ^_^
yes on paper they are indeed nice.. try fitting one and they seem.. well crappy. Without a doubt I would say it is in the bottom 3 hacs
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Sovereign533
Caldari 133rd Ghost Wing
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Posted - 2006.08.03 13:42:00 -
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wow, i didn't knew this.. i don't fly gallante.. thanks for explanation i now know i'm not going to train for the Deimos anymore..
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OhMyGodess
Caldari Xeno-Genesis Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.03 13:46:00 -
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i think new bonus is kinda sexy, in theory at least.
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Nahia Senne
Fortunis Novum Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.03 16:43:00 -
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does this mean deimos will finally be able to get in range and actually kill something?
please also boost the grid abit so i can actually fit it aswell ^^
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.03 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sovereign533
Originally by: Hamatitio Deimos' look good on paper, but IMO they are definitely in the bottom 3 of the HAC world.
but why is that then? nice resistances, bonusses seem nice, drone bay is nice, speed is nice..
and love your sig btw ^_^
With MWD active only the Caldari HACs are slower. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.03 17:11:00 -
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Im wondering how minmatar ships are supposed to keep their range from the blasterboats if all gallente ships suddenly become faster and more agile?
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ElCoCo
Gallente KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Im wondering how minmatar ships are supposed to keep their range from the blasterboats if all gallente ships suddenly become faster and more agile?
I'm with the opinion that a blasterboat should be faster when using mwd than the equivalent minmatar ship, meaning it has less top speed but also less mass/more agility,.
That way the get-to-range bit of the fight will be ok for the blasterboat, while the minmatar would be more able to dictate range without using the mwd.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dal Denai Just a curious thought, if Tux and Hammer recognize that a MWD cap bonus is rather trashy, changing it to the suggested mass redux bonus, which looks rather nice, is it probable to see the bonus on other ships like the Thorax, Deimos, Vigilant, etc. changed
Highly unlikely, but in some of those cases needed. Especially the Deimos needs that one ('though it'd mean the Thorax'd have it's bonus changed which I don't think is too much of a problem now that it can't sprout quite as many drones) Dark skies torn apart Heavens open before me I, the light of death |
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Nyxus
GALAXIAN
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:47:00 -
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As much as I like to hear about matari dying left and right, I think the mass reduction will create mass Hyperbonds. Not something I want to see. HUGE close range dps + HUGE speeds means everything else will be complete crap by comparison.
I would be fine with the Gallente/Brutix +7.5% armor boost per level. I mean, it's good enough for the Maelstrom and it would provide nice symmetry of bonuses to the Tier 3
Caldari - 25% shield res Amarr - 25% armor res Gallente - 30% armor boost Matari - 30% shield boost
Nyxus
Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/08/2006 18:50:33
Originally by: Nyxus
I would be fine with the Gallente/Brutix +7.5% armor boost per level. I mean, it's good enough for the Maelstrom
Except everyone hates it, and Tuxford is considering changing it. Its different though, since the Hyperion is not supposed to be a fleet ship.
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Xoduse
Beasts of Burden Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus As much as I like to hear about matari dying left and right, I think the mass reduction will create mass Hyperbonds. Not something I want to see. HUGE close range dps + HUGE speeds means everything else will be complete crap by comparison.
I would be fine with the Gallente/Brutix +7.5% armor boost per level. I mean, it's good enough for the Maelstrom and it would provide nice symmetry of bonuses to the Tier 3
Caldari - 25% shield res Amarr - 25% armor res Gallente - 30% armor boost Matari - 30% shield boost
Nyxus
7.5% at BS level V would be 37.5% bonus to shield and armor tanking
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