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Arla Sarain
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Posted - 2014.09.15 16:13:00 -
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Micro and small Shield extenders are largely redundant outside of introducing new players to the module class. This not only makes T1 and T2 modules obsolete, but also the named and factions ones. That is quite a few modules.
Whilst their small fitting requirements may seem attractive their buffer levels do not warrant the sacrifice of a mid-slot, which are highly competitive resource, as modules in this slot offers a lot of utility (propulsion, ewar, etc).
I propose that these sizes of shield modules are given a flat increase in shield regen. A static amount will prevent larger ship classes from benefiting from this without taking any real penalty to PG and CPU.
Also passive shield regen tanking is down right non-existent on frigate/destroyer level. This introduces it.
If you insist on me picking numbers, I believe +15HP/s and +25HP/s on micro/small respectively would make them rather desirable. Assuming most frigates inflict about 100+ DPS, this change would introduce about 15% to 25% reduction in damage. Small and micro shield extenders are more suitable for sig tanking due to the lower penalty to sig. Sig tanking reduces incoming damage due to random damage depending on the hit chance. This offers a decent synergy.
Flame on. |
Kell Braugh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:39:00 -
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Micro and small extenders are not used because the PW usage for HP sucks, and the signature hit on the frig isn't worth it. That is what needs to change. Passive shield tanking kinda need a good amount of shield HP to start with to get any legit 'tank'. Any thing that gives that much HP would be OP for frigate size.
If you want flat increase to shield regen, try the other 2 modules that do that, shield power relays, and shield rechargers. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
535
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:50:00 -
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Make it harder to fit "oversized" shield extenders and make the smaller ones useful. Same goes for armor plates... This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
Arla Sarain
79
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Posted - 2014.09.15 19:24:00 -
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Kell Braugh wrote:Micro and small extenders are not used because the PW usage for HP sucks, and the signature hit on the frig isn't worth it. That is what needs to change. Passive shield tanking kinda need a good amount of shield HP to start with to get any legit 'tank'. Any thing that gives that much HP would be OP for frigate size.
If you want flat increase to shield regen, try the other 2 modules that do that, shield power relays, and shield rechargers. The sig hit is miniscule. Its like +1. This suggestion is meant to supplement the crappy HP buffer.
The modules you mention are percentile. 20% of a small amount is still a small amount. It would be insignificant and hence still give no purpose to micro and small shield extenders.
Passive shield tanking is not just buffer. It's passive regen too. This would give frigs a decent passive regen with little CPU/PG cost.
FT Diomedes wrote:Make it harder to fit "oversized" shield extenders and that will make the smaller ones useful. Same goes for armor plates... That should have been done ages ago. Too late for that now. The mentality has been ingrained. 400mm plates and medium shield extenders are the standed for buffer tanking on frigs/dessies. And it won't automatically make smaller size modules "useful". It will just make them the only viable choice. It can be argued that buffer tanking will be trumped in place of EWAR utility all together. |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.09.15 23:34:00 -
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This is a cool idea +1
Would be interesting to have ceptors with fast regen Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Arla Sarain
79
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Posted - 2014.09.16 19:34:00 -
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Moar. |
Catherine Laartii
Providence Guard Templis CALSF
280
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Posted - 2014.09.16 20:12:00 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:Micro and small Shield extenders are largely redundant outside of introducing new players to the module class. This not only makes T1 and T2 modules obsolete, but also the named and factions ones. That is quite a few modules.
Whilst their small fitting requirements may seem attractive their buffer levels do not warrant the sacrifice of a mid-slot, which are highly competitive resource, as modules in this slot offers a lot of utility (propulsion, ewar, etc).
I propose that these sizes of shield modules are given a flat increase in shield regen. A static amount will prevent larger ship classes from benefiting from this without taking any real penalty to PG and CPU.
Also passive shield regen tanking is down right non-existent on frigate/destroyer level. This introduces it.
If you insist on me picking numbers, I believe +15HP/s and +25HP/s on micro/small respectively would make them rather desirable. Assuming most frigates inflict about 100+ DPS, this change would introduce about 15% to 25% reduction in damage. Small and micro shield extenders are more suitable for sig tanking due to the lower penalty to sig. Sig tanking reduces incoming damage due to random damage depending on the hit chance. This offers a decent synergy.
Flame on.
Wouldn't it just make more sense to bump them all up a class size while keeping the name? I know I'd prefer larges to be on battleships and meds on cruisers and whatnot. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1252
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Posted - 2014.09.16 20:25:00 -
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Arla Sarain wrote: That should have been done ages ago. Too late for that now. The mentality has been ingrained. 400mm plates and medium shield extenders are the standed for buffer tanking on frigs/dessies. And it won't automatically make smaller size modules "useful". It will just make them the only viable choice. It can be argued that buffer tanking will be trumped in place of EWAR utility all together.
The only way out now is to scrap the lowest tier and make a new one at the top. Fitting 3200 mm plates and x-large shield extenders with even higher fitting requirement so people don't get their panties in a bunch over not beign able to fit medium on what was able to fit medium before. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.09.16 20:50:00 -
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My suggestion:
On the micro:
- Remove the skill requirements
- Remove the CPU / PG cost
- Remove the signature radius penalty.
- Increase droprate significantly.
- Hell it could even be renamed "civilian small".
On the small:
- Remove the signature radius penalty.
- Divide by two the CPU / PG cost
Clearly these modules are very hard to balance in a way that would make them popular without basically changing them into Mediums.
But they could be freed of their handicaps to help them at least fill a tiny niche. And, in the case of the micro, help shield tanking new players fill their empty slots. By the way, the "micro" reasoning could apply to 100mm plates. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
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Arla Sarain
79
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Posted - 2014.09.16 20:50:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Arla Sarain wrote: That should have been done ages ago. Too late for that now. The mentality has been ingrained. 400mm plates and medium shield extenders are the standed for buffer tanking on frigs/dessies. And it won't automatically make smaller size modules "useful". It will just make them the only viable choice. It can be argued that buffer tanking will be trumped in place of EWAR utility all together.
The only way out now is to scrap the lowest tier and make a new one at the top. Fitting 3200 mm plates and x-large shield extenders with even higher fitting requirement so people don't get their panties in a bunch over not beign able to fit medium on what was able to fit medium before. This is debatable, and IMO hinges on what CCP wanted in the first place. To clarify, Medium extenders and 400mm plates practically double EHP of frigs and destros. The question would be whether such a huge disparity in tank/no-tank fits was intended in the first place. To me it always seemed like Medium Extenders and 400mm plates on frigate hulls were simply an oversight. It might have been intended to be possible, but not efficient, as you'd be sacrificing slots for fitting mods. What it turned out to be though was that some hulls can compensate for fitting space in Rig slots, circumventing the slot cost, and enjoying the excessively large buffer.
But there is no reason to burn it all down. Passive regen tanking on frig scale is inexistent. The buffers are too small to get any real regen out of them and the recharges/power relays add too little for what small slot counts are present on frigate hulls.
Giving Micro/Small shield extenders some flat shield/s offers no downsides. |
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