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Lazarus Nervantine
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Posted - 2006.08.03 12:52:00 -
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Can someone clue me in on the race, etc of the easiest path to creating a hauler alt/ore thief with minimum training time required?
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Tarn Krillin
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.03 12:54:00 -
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Lazarus Nervantine
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Posted - 2006.08.03 12:55:00 -
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Anywhere I see names like ghgkuiyg & p98up8ug mining & hauling...
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Burlock Ironfist
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2006.08.03 12:55:00 -
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whatever race has the highest perception.... (i think caldari has the highest) then train idustrial ship to lvl 1 and hull upgrades to lvl 1 and fit exapnders and your done... but dont expect to survive very often if the people you steal from shoot you.
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Lazarus Nervantine
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Posted - 2006.08.03 13:00:00 -
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Will my alt take a sec hit for stealing, or just get flagged?
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.03 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lazarus Nervantine Will my alt take a sec hit for stealing, or just get flagged?
just flagged _________________________________ just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean i'm not following!
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lazarus Nervantine Anywhere I see names like ghgkuiyg & p98up8ug mining & hauling...
If you steal from people you suspect of macro mining, without petitioning them first, you can be punished for it.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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CharlieMurphy
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 03/08/2006 14:39:59 what about if he suspects them of sweatshop farming ? sinse they are all payed accounts with people running them its no different from me running 2 accounts and mining and hauling for myself
probably best to not suspect anybody of anything leave the detective work to CCP and just play the game altho ore theft does seem an awful lot of effort for not much return
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: CharlieMurphy Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 03/08/2006 14:39:59 what about if he suspects them of sweatshop farming ? sinse they are all payed accounts with people running them its no different from me running 2 accounts and mining and hauling for myself
probably best to not suspect anybody of anything leave the detective work to CCP and just play the game altho ore theft does seem an awful lot of effort for not much return
If the GM's discover that they are macro miners, and that he has been profiting from them repeatedly without petitioning, he will be punished, even if he didn't suspect them. Otherwise all macro groups would use an 'unrelated' hauler character to launder their ore.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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CharlieMurphy
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:47:00 -
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my point is, how can you tell ? i dislike the idea of CCP handing out punishments because people cant tell what a macro miner looks like (obvious by some of the macro threads there have been) and yet ore theft from a perfectly honest player is allowed (griefing imo)
let alone the people that petition week after week and get no respose and the supposed macros sit in the same system
is there really honestly such thing as a macro miner in empire anyway ? the only 100% confirmed ones i know of are in the 00 alliances
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Lazarus Nervantine
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:49:00 -
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I'm doing this for fun, but I would like to make ISK as well.
So are you saying I cannot steal from a mining party and then sell the ore to make a profit? If they turn out to be macro miners and not farmers, even though I truly don't know at the time of theft, I could be banned?
If I petition as I'm stealing, what do I do with the ore? I have to just trash it?
How do other ore theives protect themselves against this possibility that they are stealing "tainted" ore?
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CharlieMurphy
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 03/08/2006 14:53:08 i wouldnt worry anyway, the petition list is 5 miles long and you dont get an answer for ages
petition everybody you steal from and you have covered yourself, and increased the list pointlessly
if the GMs would really punish somebody like that then i guess you have no choice unless you want to risk it
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lazarus Nervantine I'm doing this for fun, but I would like to make ISK as well.
So are you saying I cannot steal from a mining party and then sell the ore to make a profit? If they turn out to be macro miners and not farmers, even though I truly don't know at the time of theft, I could be banned?
If I petition as I'm stealing, what do I do with the ore? I have to just trash it?
How do other ore theives protect themselves against this possibility that they are stealing "tainted" ore?
If you petition you can do what ou like with the ore, no problems at all. It is like the GM's reward for bringing suspected cheats to their attention.
As for how you can tell: If you are repeatedly able to steal someones ore, without them seemingly to notice or care, then it would be safer to petition them.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: CharlieMurphy Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 03/08/2006 14:53:08 i wouldnt worry anyway, the petition list is 5 miles long and you dont get an answer for ages
petition everybody you steal from and you have covered yourself, and increased the list pointlessly
if the GMs would really punish somebody like that then i guess you have no choice unless you want to risk it
You can't do that either. If you petition everyone without reason to suspect them, that is abuse of the petition system, for which you can be punished.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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CharlieMurphy
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Posted - 2006.08.03 14:58:00 -
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lol just cant win can you ?!
perhaps we could get some guidelines on how to recognise a macro
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Lazarus Nervantine
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: CharlieMurphy Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 03/08/2006 14:53:08 i wouldnt worry anyway, the petition list is 5 miles long and you dont get an answer for ages
petition everybody you steal from and you have covered yourself, and increased the list pointlessly
if the GMs would really punish somebody like that then i guess you have no choice unless you want to risk it
I would hate to add unnecessary petitions to simply cover my ass. I've never petitioned before, and really don't want to start now. Just doesn't seem right considering the petition log I've been hearing so much about.
I was getting bored with EVE, and just wanted to try this out, maybe it's not worth the risk.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: CharlieMurphy lol just cant win can you ?!
perhaps we could get some guidelines on how to recognise a macro
Well, I'd say if you can take 2 cans of ore without the miner reacting to you in any way, it would be worth considering a petition. As the miner has to be at the keyboard to jetison his ore, in the time he takes to fill the cans he should have noticed you take some of it.
If he doesn't talk, lock, move, or anything indicating that he is at the keyboard in that time, I would petition.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Lienzo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.03 16:08:00 -
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Just open notebook and write:
"I don't actually know if this guy is a macroer or not, but I am going to steal his ore, so here's your default requirement for notifying you guys in case I want to interact with another player in your game.[type target name here]"
Copy/Paste
Send this petition in a dozen times a day in your ore relocation career.
This is the real reason why CCP implemented the can flagging. Forget all the game-related ideas and ethics.. they're just doing damage control on their petitions queue by theoretically lowering the number of ore theives.
I really like Avon's apologia for CCP's actions about the laundering. That the same reason why my bank won't allow me to use the same tools I could use back in 1999, and why I have to go back to using credit cards or paper: terrorists might use it.
That's crap. Total and utter dross.
Seven Deadly Sins
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Isip
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Posted - 2006.08.03 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Isip on 03/08/2006 16:34:15 The only risk is repeatedly "steal" ore from macro'ers and not from other players. If you only steal from macro'ers, when CCP investigates the macro'ers you would appear to be their hauler and not an ore theif. If you steal from a variety of players then you are obviously a theif and not a macro'er. If the logs have enough detail to connect you with macro'ers then they also have enough detail to show that you are a general ore theif. Spreading your work around will also limit anyones ablity to claim that you are greifing. Ore theft is a recognized activity that does not violate the spirit of the game. However if you pick on a single person with the intent of harasing them, that would be griefing. With indiscrimate ore theft your only risk is that someone might shoot back, and you would likely lose your hauler. I expect that you would get away more times than not so it is likely to be profitable if you can find victims.
-- Edit -- It is recommended to petition known macro'ers. I would recommend that you send a petition if you can steal from the same person 3 or so times without them responding in some way. People should learn from their mistakes, or atleast complain about the set back, macros can't learn from experience, so will not adapt to your invasion.
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Jetzin
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Posted - 2006.08.03 16:34:00 -
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I think caldari vessels are the best for it, just dont forget to put smartbombs on it a warp scrambler incase u got a hauler are drones from a barge attacking you.
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Guvnor RBM
Welsh Commanders Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.03 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jetzin I think caldari vessels are the best for it, just dont forget to put smartbombs on it a warp scrambler incase u got a hauler are drones from a barge attacking you.
You mean WCS ???
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lienzo
This is the real reason why CCP implemented the can flagging. Forget all the game-related ideas and ethics.. they're just doing damage control on their petitions queue by theoretically lowering the number of ore theives.
That theory may have had some weight if ore theft was petitionable, which it wasn't.
I bet the introduction of can flagging brought about more petitions that ore theft ever did.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Jetzin
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Guvnor RBM
Originally by: Jetzin I think caldari vessels are the best for it, just dont forget to put smartbombs on it a warp scrambler incase u got a hauler are drones from a barge attacking you.
You mean WCS ???
I mean why would you warp scam a drone :)
You take out the drones and kill (smartbomb)the ship they came from. Very handy.
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