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Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
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Posted - 2014.09.17 08:50:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:Oh yea, the fact that rage rolling is still nessecary is a ******* joke as well. Why don't you fix that CCP, then maybe this change wouldn't be so bad. Fact is that w-space is not populated enough (no thanks to Hyperion), and there is no method of navigating effectively to where you want to go in w-space. Rage-rolling is the answer to both of these and I think this should be your top priority to fix because it's the worst emergent gameplay ever -- basically:
1) ROLL DICE 2) WASTE 2 MORE HOURS ROLLING DICE BECAUSE IT TAKES A GAJILLION HOURS 3) ???? 4) Eventually profit after rage rolling long enough that you managed to get deep vein thrombosis for sitting in your chair too long.
Rage Rolling is not "necessary" by any means. Just stick to the system you're connected with. If you don't like it, venture deeper. That way you will also be able to look into a lot of systems without the need to roll any holes.
Maybe I didn't understand the concept of -space but I thought those were lawless systems connected by ever shifting wormholes. I don't know how you want to "navigate effectively" in such an environment. Of course you shouldn't be able to tell beforehand which exact system a wormhole leads into nor should you be able to choose. What "fix" do you suggest that wouldn't completely alter the ruleset of w-space? |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
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Posted - 2014.09.17 14:01:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:
If you warp to the hole with 2 caps and an orca, and then jump through, nobody is possibly going to be able to scan down that new exit and respond with a fleet to kill you before you can--in the worst case scenario--slowboat your caps back to the wormhole.
I too rage roll with 2 caps and orca. Even works with a c4 static. ~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/ |
Papa Django
CosmoTeK LTD La Division Bleue
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Posted - 2014.09.17 14:04:00 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote: Rage Rolling is not "necessary" by any means. Just stick to the system you're connected with. If you don't like it, venture deeper. That way you will also be able to look into a lot of systems without the need to roll any holes.
Maybe I didn't understand the concept of -space but I thought those were lawless systems connected by ever shifting wormholes.
You don't know what you are talking about.
RR is necessary for wh entities like warping for a ship. |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.09.17 14:43:00 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:Rage Rolling is not "necessary" by any means. Just stick to the system you're connected with. If you don't like it, venture deeper. That way you will also be able to look into a lot of systems without the need to roll any holes.
No its not but its the most efficient way to find a wh you're looking for. With rage rolling I am guaranteed to jump into a c5 system every ~5mins. If I could guarantee that to some degree just by scanning, I'd do it.
When you're rage rolling its not even worth it to scan out the static's c5 unless they can scan it down in less then a minute because caps are landing on the hole and rolling by that time. Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.09.17 14:56:00 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote: Rage Rolling is not "necessary" by any means. Just stick to the system you're connected with. If you don't like it, venture deeper. That way you will also be able to look into a lot of systems without the need to roll any holes.
Orly? (no, this isn't our current chain - but it could be) |
Kirasten
No Vacancies
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Posted - 2014.09.17 15:02:00 -
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Maduin Shi wrote:Angsty Teenager wrote: #rant
So PL has a wormhole presence? This I didn't know.
Pot, meet kettle.
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.09.17 16:07:00 -
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Maduin Shi wrote:Angsty Teenager wrote: #rant
So PL has a wormhole presence? This I didn't know.
YEAH LET'S TOTALLY DISCOUNT SOMEONE'S OPINION BECAUSE OF THEIR CORP. **** you're a downie If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
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Posted - 2014.09.17 16:25:00 -
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:
No its not but its the most efficient way to find a wh you're looking for. With rage rolling I am guaranteed to jump into a c5 system every ~5mins. If I could guarantee that to some degree just by scanning, I'd do it.
I do understand. I know how it works. But if rr is the tried and tested most efficient way to find what you're looking for, why does someone consider it worth of fixing? Why all the hate for rr when there is no better way?
Do you really want a drop down list at each wh letting you chose where to go? |
MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.09.17 17:11:00 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:Aquila Sagitta wrote:
No its not but its the most efficient way to find a wh you're looking for. With rage rolling I am guaranteed to jump into a c5 system every ~5mins. If I could guarantee that to some degree just by scanning, I'd do it.
I do understand. I know how it works. But if rr is the tried and tested most efficient way to find what you're looking for, why does someone consider it worth of fixing? Why all the hate for rr when there is no better way? Do you really want a drop down list at each wh letting you chose where to go?
There really should not be debate on this point. Scanning down chains will get you access to targets that are mostly behind VoC wormholes or sloppy. The VoC wormholes make engaging a full capital escalation fleet iffy because you don't know if you'll get 12 members through or 2. The sloppy people aren't that much fun to shoot because usually they're terrible.
The thing that makes RR different is that you're making a new WH. That means that even someone who rolled their incomings and VoC'ed their static is still vulnerable AND you can bring 3B mass worth of friends.
Scanning chains is fine for finding null/losec targets and sloppy miners, but for killing WH capital escalation bears there is no replacement for RR. |
Maduin Shi
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.18 04:34:00 -
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Kirasten wrote:Maduin Shi wrote:Angsty Teenager wrote: #rant
So PL has a wormhole presence? This I didn't know. Pot, meet kettle.
Ehh... it was an innocent question, I had no idea whether he had a wormhole alt and AT was his posting toon or if PL had some branch of itself living in a wormhole somewhere like goonswarm has (or used to have). He'll probably never say one way or the other in here so w/e.
Wasn't intended as a troll or discounting of his opinion. Actually I agree with him, its just that his post was a bit too long so I snipped it. |
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Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.18 07:37:00 -
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Maduin Shi wrote: So PL has a wormhole presence? This I didn't know.
well, carebearing in WH once all the WH have been collapsed is way more secure than doing it in NS, because even if there is a cloaky camper, they cant do much until they have scanned and checked out the existing static exit to call in reinforcement... In WH you are not at risk of hot drops and on top of that the ISK making is way higher.. The only risk is log traps, but those are not easy to implement without being scouted in a busy WH...
Of course you will have a lot of alts with already **** ton of money and equipment exploiting these ISK sources, to funnel them into the big K-space do-nuts...
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
Jez Amatin
Enso Corp
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Posted - 2014.09.18 08:22:00 -
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I'd stop with the tinfoil conspiracy theories, and stick to feedback on the changes. PL may / may not have an alt corp doin WH stuff. Although I seriously doubt that would be Snigg. Test I believe has 2 WH, although they'll prob end up rolling themselves out :3. Goons keep trying. -A- tried to "control" wspace or some other delusional scheme... Personally I don't care, it means more ppl to shoot at which is fine by me.
Don't forget null alliances need boots on the line, not bearing it up in some hole. WRT income, if you think about the renting empires, the moon goo, the ratting opportunities, and perhaps the recent Indy changes... Even the most committed bears would struggle to make that kind of isk for an alliance. some individual groups may try, but I can't see it being sanctioned at alliance level. Therefore if u get invaded, papa goon not going to save u. |
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