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Kaivar Lancer
Unlimited Speciality Networks
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:44:00 -
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A year ago PLEX was "only" 500-600M. Today it's about 800m. However, isk/hr from most activities remain the same. I thought about re-subbing my dormant alt account, but if PLEX rises 30%+ each year, I don't see much point.
Multi-boxing and alt accounts will become prohibitively expensive later on. I'm wondering if higher PLEX prices are forcing people out of the game, and perhaps might explain why Eve's online population is back at 2008 levels? |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1364
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:46:00 -
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First!!! I like plex threads when they are young and full of commitment. Edit:
TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Paranoid Loyd
1884
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:49:00 -
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"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
13200
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:50:00 -
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Second
Edit: Ganked by Loyd (and not surprised) lol rolling on floor.. i would probably be laughing though.. not crying --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
114
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:50:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:A year ago PLEX was "only" 500-600M. Today it's about 800m. However, isk/hr from most activities remain the same. I thought about re-subbing my dormant alt account, but if PLEX rises 30%+ each year, I don't see much point.
Multi-boxing and alt accounts will become prohibitively expensive later on. I'm wondering if higher PLEX prices are forcing people out of the game, and perhaps might explain why Eve's online population is back at 2008 levels?
I doubt it's forced people out of the game, it's certainly had an effect on alt accounts though.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1296
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:52:00 -
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Uh, fifth?
Subscription paying master race reporting in. [witty image] - Stream |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4938
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:56:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Uh, fifth?
Subscription paying master race reporting in. Likewise, actually I think I'll sell a plex, thanks op for reminding me =]I[= |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
2789
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:57:00 -
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Pay subscription fee or grind ISK like a wild monkey grinds bananas. The idea here, to put it in graphic terms for once, is to turn s**t into gold.
http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =ƒÿü |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4478
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Posted - 2014.09.16 15:58:00 -
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Posting in:
Grrrr PLEX prices AND Grrr Goons (as its their fault one way or another). AND Grrr AFK cloakers (as now I cant farm ISK for PLEX)
P.s. If the game loses mindless drones who only grind ISK to grind more ISK the next month, please let the price rise more.
I have multiple accounts and NEVER used PLEX to keep them running, I rahter work a couple of hours at work and sub an account for a year. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5280
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Posted - 2014.09.16 16:01:00 -
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If you're playing for isk/hour, you're not playing for fun/hour.
EVE's a game, man. Enjoy it, don't work it. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
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Christopher AET
hirr Northern Coalition.
813
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Posted - 2014.09.16 16:19:00 -
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PLEX is a privilege not a right. I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
2002
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Posted - 2014.09.16 16:24:00 -
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Some would say we're better off without 20-character/single-player isboxer stripmining and gank cata fleets. Some would say that more accounts is better for CCP.
However, because most of those multiple-alt account players are just buying PLEX off the market... which has already been purchased by someone else, so CCP already got paid, with or without the roving single-man gangs of belt-cleaning/Orca-boosted barges.
I'm not an economist, though. But I don't understand how anyone can do nothing but mine, and never interact with the community. At least Chribba heavily participates in the social aspect of the game. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
leich
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
46
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Posted - 2014.09.16 16:37:00 -
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If you want plex prices to go down.
Spend all of your hard on cash on plex.
Sell on the market.
if you invest enough real life isk the plex price will go down.
problem solved. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
2062
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Posted - 2014.09.16 16:41:00 -
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Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2320
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Posted - 2014.09.16 16:54:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Pay subscription fee or grind ISK like a wild monkey grinds bananas.
Or find better ways of making isk. No subscription fee or monkey grinds. win/win |
Nishachara
True Enlightenment
0
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Posted - 2014.09.16 16:55:00 -
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I wont advertise here but for those without rl income and who want to play the game while not being able to grind real isk so well, there are places on the internet where you can earn for two eve subscriptions a month by clicking commercial adds for few hours a day. Either that or grind isk, whatever do you prefer..XD |
Remissus Rinah
Associated Descendants of Eve
32
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Posted - 2014.09.16 16:56:00 -
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Chiming in as a single account holder.
The way I see it, higher PLEX costs only /really/ hurt the people who still think having heaptons of alt accounts is the way to go. With just my one account to worry about, and instead of alts relying on my corpmates (who in turn rely on me) to help make ISK, it becomes a heck of a lot simpler to keep myself in-game and PLEX'd up. ~ Remissus |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13230
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Posted - 2014.09.16 17:24:00 -
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8 hours of level 4 missions in highsec pays for a plex. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1298
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Posted - 2014.09.16 17:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:8 hours of level 4 missions in highsec pays for a plex. If it was a choice between eight hours of missions or quitting the game, I'd quit the game. [witty image] - Stream |
Sariyah
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
0
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Posted - 2014.09.16 17:33:00 -
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I used to pay for 3 accs and cover expenses with isk making activities. Since I'm not actively playing, perhaps skilling 1 account is cheap enough to do it with rl money. No need to replace dreads carriers t3s and whatnot monthly... |
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
45
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Posted - 2014.09.16 17:37:00 -
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these threads grow/show/sprout fast i can't keep up. :) Just Add Water |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
129
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Posted - 2014.09.16 17:37:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:A year ago PLEX was "only" 500-600M. Today it's about 800m. However, isk/hr from most activities remain the same. I thought about re-subbing my dormant alt account, but if PLEX rises 30%+ each year, I don't see much point.
Multi-boxing and alt accounts will become prohibitively expensive later on. I'm wondering if higher PLEX prices are forcing people out of the game, and perhaps might explain why Eve's online population is back at 2008 levels?
Yes it is. When plex was around 400m, I ran with 8 accounts. I made enough from missions alone to plex 2-3 accounts and still have plenty of game time in the month for pvp and other activities. However, now I only have 2 accounts and dont bother doing any pve to earn plex. I just pay ccp to add time to my accounts. If I have to earn enough isk in game to plex now, it's just not worth playing because PVE in EVE is so damn boring that it's no longer playing. Rather its just working to plex an account to do it all over again next month.
If I need isk, I just buy a plex from ccp, sell it in game, and proceed to enjoy the game.
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Jax Kazen
Prometheus Deep Space Mining and Salvage
5
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Posted - 2014.09.16 17:49:00 -
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Interestingly, if you think about who this impacts the most, it actually would benefit the same people.
So if we are saying that Plex prices will affect people with alt accounts, who traditionally has the most alt accounts? Miners. So as miners have less alts, mineral supply starts to choke. As mineral supply chokes, the cost per unit increases. As cost per unit increases, miners profit more per unit (though overall probably stay about the same total income as they are supplying less units to market).
The people who will be pinched will be non-miners as price per unit increases but resources required to build remain constant. Losses will start to matter more as cost per loss will increase. People ganking miners will actually be hurting themselves as it will further constrain the market driving prices up.
So long and short, if Plex prices are truly reducing alts, it's probably a good time to speculate in minerals. Especially the high risk ones. |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
564
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Posted - 2014.09.16 18:03:00 -
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I pay rl cash for 1 account and usually plex 4 others. I let acct #4 sit out this month because I had just sold the last toon on it and already have a couple more "in the hopper" on other accts and TBH I cba to fool with yet another one right now. Maybe next month.
There are means of making ISK that are largely protected from / immune to inflation. The method I use is a lot simpler with 2 accounts but can certainly be done with 1. If you think about a list of the relatively more common ways people make money in Eve, it's probably on that list. Not trying to sound cryptic but I'd like to help without flat out instantly turning you into a competitor Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6460
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Posted - 2014.09.16 18:17:00 -
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PLEX were even higher last month.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1343
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Posted - 2014.09.16 18:24:00 -
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Everytime a PLEX thread opens a kitten is fed into that Iceland volcano with a really long name to appease the angry forum gods. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8220
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Posted - 2014.09.16 18:32:00 -
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Altirius Saldiaro wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:A year ago PLEX was "only" 500-600M. Today it's about 800m. However, isk/hr from most activities remain the same. I thought about re-subbing my dormant alt account, but if PLEX rises 30%+ each year, I don't see much point.
Multi-boxing and alt accounts will become prohibitively expensive later on. I'm wondering if higher PLEX prices are forcing people out of the game, and perhaps might explain why Eve's online population is back at 2008 levels? Yes it is. When plex was around 400m, I ran with 8 accounts. I made enough from missions alone to plex 2-3 accounts and still have plenty of game time in the month for pvp and other activities. However, now I only have 2 accounts and dont bother doing any pve to earn plex. I just pay ccp to add time to my accounts. If I have to earn enough isk in game to plex now, it's just not worth playing because PVE in EVE is so damn boring that it's no longer playing. Rather its just working to plex an account to do it all over again next month. If I need isk, I just buy a plex from ccp, sell it in game, and proceed to enjoy the game.
Nothing wrong with any of that but if you use pve to earn isk for plex and the price of plex "catches up" to the point where it turns into a grind, then it's time to modify how you make isk (that is if you want to keep plexing).
Back when plex was 450 mil or so, I kept my 4 accounts up but ratting with a Vindicator and 2 FoF heavy missile Tengus on Alts. it was a nasty slaughter, back then Forsaken Hubs didn't have frigates. All together I think my highest take was 250 mil isk per hour sustained not counting Faction Commander spawns and escalations.
And CCP saw-eth this, and said it was bad, and they did then nerf-ith they hell out of Forsaken Hubs, heavy missiles and tracking enhancers. Plex kept going up and my ability to easily rake in isk for plexes went down. Even today still doable but mech, can't be arsed.
Nowadays i use the same characters to roflstomp faction warfare missions in a small personal stealth bomber swarm, I have 2 of those same characters in a wormhole corp that does those monstrous cap escalations, and I keep a number of carriers in lvl 5 mission hubs (so I don't have to cyno around) to do lvl 5 missions. If the pve doesn't pay at least 350 mil an hour (ie 1 plex in less than 3 hours), I don't do it lol.
When plex hit's 2 bil then i'll freaking sub, not before hashtag LineInTheSand.
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
962
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Posted - 2014.09.16 18:49:00 -
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*bangs head into wall*
why did you not search? there are 50000000000000000000000000000000000000000 threads whining about plex, the answer is the same:
Plex prices are set by players NOT ccp
No ccp should not do anything
If you want plexs to fall buy a boat load and sell for cheapers then whats on the market. OR buy that's all on the market and resell for a loss.
Don't want to do that? then oh well too bad for you.
I can make the isk for a plex in 3 hours of gameplay if I focus. Yes.. 3 hours. No I am not shuddering, yes THREE HOURS. if it takes you longer you are doing it wrong OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
962
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Posted - 2014.09.16 18:56:00 -
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but to answer, yes I am sure some game play was effected. People who wanted cheap alts no longer have cheap alts. I have a 4th account i'm prolly not gonna renew cause I can't be assed to fork out the isk. And I decided that what I was gonna use it for is not gonna work the way I wanted. So i'll spend iskies on ships to lose instead of a plex. But getting isk for plex with a little focus is easy, you can do that in a c4 in about 3 hours, will cost you about 3b isk to start though. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
565
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Posted - 2014.09.16 19:05:00 -
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Even if you cant do it in a day or two, if you break it down, a plex takes appx 26M isk per day, give or take. That's still CHEAP, man. Yeah when I started playing a whle back they were like 550, but what most people (and probably you) experience is more akin to "sticker shock" than it is you actually breaking down how much and how easy you can make that money.
26M isk per day, you can do it man, I believe! I believe!!!!
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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