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Diophantus Barviainen
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.16 23:37:00 -
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So far EVE has been interesting for me, I first heard about EVE from Scott Manley I am a fan of his since I'm a KSP nut.
His video that sparked my interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0M7jkv3xkQ&list=PLE075E16BD11172BB
At first I was dismissive of EVE and flat out didn't like it. Losing your ships, scammers, griefers etc... ewww not for me. After some time I got interested again and did some (a lot) of research about EVE. Watched many of scotts videos, found out about Johnnypew and EVE university. I look at the game in a new light, as a really cool idea: A MMO sandbox. I love sandbox games where you can make your own goals, or accomplish common goals in your own way. EVE is known for it's many hardships and being cruel. Maybe I have not been hit with the sledgehammer of the difficulty curve yet, but to me quite a few of them can be avoided with common sense. Is this true? Hate to toot my own horn but I consider myself quite genre savvy or at least above the average.
When I heard about scammers I didn't expect this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wB2ubIIDUs Who agrees to something without reading it! What am I, Kyle? I'll admit if I haven't read the guide I might have fallen for the margin trading one, or the one where you order an expensive item and get ganked when picking it up. But something like the "some assembly required" scam I saw in jita the other day where you have a fabulous deal for a decked out orca, when really the hefty fitting it there to generate a giant arse list of crap so you don't notice the Orca blueprint buried in there. Or the "You will need to contract your ships to us to join our corp so we can move them down to our base in X". Not buying it. What is the A-material I should watch out for?
As for player traps and PvP I'll have a tougher time with because it takes a bit more than knowledge to avoid. The general vibe I got is, don't make yourself an easy target, only fly ships you can afford to lose, know the region you're traveling in (and the people in it), you see a bear, don't poke it with a stick, BOOKMARKS, and so on. While PvP won't be my focus when beginning in EVE what/who would be a good way to learn the ropes with so I know how to deal with things when they go wrong. Would EVE UNI be a good corp to join? Also what is the danger zone for suicide ganking? I heard between 10-40mill ISK in cargo is when you look like a valid target in highsec.
I also want to play EVE as an learning experience:
Quote:The reason I want to try EVE online is because that I have this issue that shows up in games, of not going out of my comfort zone. I always try to manipulate my surroundings to make thing easier for me because I don't want to lose. I could probably tackle hard in a game, but I play on normal. It's a mental failing of being sheltered that I need to get rid of. Not only that, but it stunts my psychological growth. I'm smart for people of my age, but if I don't push myself to my limit because of laziness or fear of being wrong, I could pull a mental tortoise and the hare and be off even worse than failing. Even if you have all of the knowledge, experience, and ships that one could know about in EVE, one still will never be in absolute control of any situation. http://25.media.tumblr.com/acf3f65dc1ca040896fbc97987787246/tumblr_n1h5banOQE1rn4ocio1_250.jpgI will die in EVE, probably a lot. I have quite a bit of common sense, and glad for that as my ordeal might not be as severe as others, but I want to put my money where my mouth is and prove myself wrong, as I can't foresee every trap, gank, and scam. I want to learn to cope with failure. To be able pick up the pieces of my mistake and continue onwards rather than beating myself up for failing. I want to play EVE so I can better myself as an individual. A philosophical trial of my character, to get a taste of reality so I am better prepared to deal with the cold lessons in life beyond New Eden, which can be infinitely more unfair.
You think I'm crazy don't you? But there are lessons you can learn in New Eden that applicable to real life!
Some of the stuff I gleaned from the information I gathered:
Failure is a part of life. (though it's far harder to accept in practice, this applies to all of the lessons here btw.)
From some argument about CONCORD I learned, You can't always be protected and you got to hold up your end by not making yourself an easy target.
Ignorance, naivety, greed, and impatience are things to avoid in yourself-and look for in targets
From the stories of people buying bunches of plex and try to race their way to the top. Only to have their battleship quite literally blow up in their face because they did not have the training to properly fit it or the metagame experience to use it. There a clear difference in having power and knowing how to use it. Failure to make make that connection has caused frustration to the rich and failure for many an usurper.
Another concern of mine is that this is my first MMO. MMO's have obligations to be met and I dunno If I can make them. The time invested to them is a commitment, ... |
Diophantus Barviainen
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.16 23:43:00 -
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(continued)
Another worry is cost. Right now I made this account on a alt email to see if I like the game. I'll try to get an buddy invite from one of those youtubers I learned from to get an extended trial around christmas, so I have some money. But the 60K ISK question is how long does it take from going total rookie to self sufficient?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziv2UQDrJQk
But PLEX is about twice as much as listed in the video now so I guessing it would be a good idea pay for about a month or two of game time (~$30 USD) would be able buy me enough time? (LoL pun) |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4481
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Posted - 2014.09.16 23:52:00 -
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Reserved. In bed now on phone but your WoT require a WoT answer so I will be back tomorrow when I have access to a proper keyboard. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Diophantus Barviainen
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.16 23:59:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Reserved. In bed now on phone but your WoT require a WoT answer so I will be back tomorrow when I have access to a proper keyboard. Well I didn't want to miss any important bits, that can get you killed in new eden. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
6111
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Posted - 2014.09.17 00:09:00 -
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Welcome to EVE. I'll try to answer some of your PvP questions.
Diophantus Barviainen wrote:As for player traps and PvP I'll have a tougher time with because it takes a bit more than knowledge to avoid. The general vibe I got is, don't make yourself an easy target, only fly ships you can afford to lose, know the region you're traveling in (and the people in it), you see a bear, don't poke it with a stick, BOOKMARKS, and so on. It looks like you have the basic ideas down... just understand though that they are more "guidelines" to follow than actual rules.
- Sometimes you have to seem like an easy target to attract someone who wants to fight (either by flying a ship no one takes seriously, or sitting somewhere waiting for someone to get close). - Sometimes flying in a place you have no knowledge of means you (or a target) may miscalculate a scenario resulting in a fight. - Sometimes you want to smack the hornet's nest just to see what will happen (so you know what to expect for next time). - Sometimes just "Leeroying" into danger can teach more than any guide or lesson.
Diophantus Barviainen wrote:While PvP won't be my focus when beginning in EVE what/who would be a good way to learn the ropes with so I know how to deal with things when they go wrong. Personally... I would recommend buying up a whole bunch of frigates and destroyers (with the necessary mods), have them shipped down to low-sec (there are services for this), and then see how many people you can kill before you run out of ships. If you strike up a conversation with your killers and ask what you could have done better you will most likely be given sound advice, training, and/or even be invited to fly with them.
Even if you realize that you don't like PvP it is still a good experience to have because you begin to learn how "hunters" operate and can better protect any assets you may gain in the future.
Diophantus Barviainen wrote:Also what is the danger zone for suicide ganking? I heard between 10-40mill ISK in cargo is when you look like a valid target in highsec. The "danger zone" is variable.
A "gank Catalyst" can do something in the range of 300-400 damage per second and costs about 1 to 1.5 million.
In 0.5 security space CONCORD will arrive to kill any ganker within about 15 seconds (this is the longest CONCORD will take).
300-400 dps X 15 seconds = 4,500 - 6,000 damage.
Also know that all loot has a 50% drop rate.
What you want to do when hauling is keep the cargo value a little under double the value it takes to gank you.
Effort is another factor. While an industrial ship with 30,000 hitpoints and 200 million in cargo may be potentially profitable, the gankers will need a minimum of 5 or 6 guys to perform the gank... with maybe another one or two "just in case." If they do not have necessary amount of guys to pull it off, then the Industrial ship is safe (from them at least). Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20759
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Posted - 2014.09.17 00:26:00 -
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Diophantus Barviainen wrote:Also what is the danger zone for suicide ganking? I heard between 10-40mill ISK in cargo is when you look like a valid target in highsec. I tend to go with around 3000 isk for every hit point my hauler has as a maximum value. In my case my hauler packs around 40k effective HP against gankers in Catalysts, so the max l'll haul is about 115-120 million, I rarely get to within 50 million of it tbh.
Quote:Another concern of mine is that this is my first MMO. MMO's have obligations to be met and I dunno If I can make them. The time invested to them is a commitment, it's not that I don't have the free time. It's that I live with 5 other people in my home, so the amount of time I go undisturbed is random, I can get pulled AFK at any moment. Which is bad for a game like EVE. Ideally I could arrange a schedule with my folks so I have say a grace period of two hours a day that I don't have to worry about people barging in my room, and asking me to do some random errand. Ideally. If you're going to get pulled AFK the best advice I can give is to hit the dock button before you go, if there's no stations in the system you're in, have a safe spot and either log off or cloak. The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
635
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Posted - 2014.09.17 00:44:00 -
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Diophantus Barviainen wrote:(continued) Another worry is cost. Right now I made this account on a alt email to see if I like the game. I'll try to get an buddy invite from one of those youtubers I learned from to get an extended trial around christmas, so I have some money. But the 60K ISK question is how long does it take from going total rookie to self sufficient? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziv2UQDrJQkBut PLEX is about twice as much as listed in the video now so I guessing it would be a good idea pay for about a month or two of game time (~$30 USD) would be able buy me enough time? (LoL pun)
for buddy invites check out this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=9874&find=unread players tend to offer fairly nice rewards as when you sub they get a free month (or a plex) and scamming is not allowed in that thread.
that said you seem over prepared for eve. Just get in and shoot something already! You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Paranoid Loyd
1897
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Posted - 2014.09.17 01:11:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Diophantus Barviainen wrote:Also what is the danger zone for suicide ganking? I heard between 10-40mill ISK in cargo is when you look like a valid target in highsec. The "danger zone" is variable. A "gank Catalyst" can do something in the range of 300-400 damage per second and costs about 1 to 1.5 million. In 0.5 security space CONCORD will arrive to kill any ganker within about 15 seconds (this is the longest CONCORD will take). 300-400 dps X 15 seconds = 4,500 - 6,000 damage. Also know that all loot has a 50% drop rate. What you want to do when hauling is keep the cargo value a little under double the value it takes to gank you. Effort is another factor. While an industrial ship with 30,000 hitpoints and 200 million in cargo may be potentially profitable, the gankers will need a minimum of 5 or 6 guys to perform the gank... with maybe another one or two "just in case." If they do not have necessary amount of guys to pull it off, then the Industrial ship is safe (from them at least).
It should be noted a gank catalyst can only be used if the target is autopiloting. Don't ever do this. If I am bored enough the threshold of value can drop pretty low. I personally don't kill anything less than 200 mil (unless severely bored), but there are folks who will kill pretty much anything they can catch.
Vexor is the most common ship used for ganking T1 indys, if you see one on a gate with it's sentries out clinch your BH and pray you aren't the target when you start to align.
If you will be hauling a lot, train for blockade runners and deep space transports. Blockade runners can warp cloaked and cannot be scanned. Make sure you warp cloaked all the time even in hi-sec as "BR Roulette" is also a thing when extreme boredom is setting in. DSTs can sport huge tanks as well as carry more than any T1 hauler..
As mentioned this "threshold" is quite variable so remember the golden rule, don't fly what you can't afford to lose, as this includes what you are carrying.
Avoid Iteron, Bestower and Tayra as while they look attractive due to their cargo capacity, they have the least amount of tank and are the easiest to gank.
While it seems like a simple topic on the surface it does get quite complex, shoot me a mail if you have anymore questions regarding safe hauling. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1374
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Posted - 2014.09.17 01:23:00 -
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Read the first half of your post. Yes, you are ready for EVE. Probably more so than most new players. Also, EVE Uni is a fine place to get started. www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
Diophantus Barviainen
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.17 02:05:00 -
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Well, I have been playing for a couple days, I rather should have phrased it as "should I take up seriously playing an MMO".
As for the cargo thing I think I have a few clever ideas that will help keep me from being a target. Though I just want to know the likelihood of my heron getting blown up when returning from Hisec data sites. Basically would a typical suicide ganker think it would be be worth it to gank [Explo. Frigate here] if it had 10mil ISK in it's cargo hold, 30 mil? 50? Etc... |
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Clara Pond
Never Not Snazzy
105
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Posted - 2014.09.17 02:28:00 -
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You sound like you have a great attitude and will enjoy Eve, OP.
My only caution would be to avoid highsec CEOs who will suck the life out of the game for you, while filling your head with stuff that is either blatantly wrong or a product of too many years of highsec risk-aversion. Find the biggest alliance that you can get into, lose the ships that they will give you for free, prioritise fun over isk.
Diophantus Barviainen wrote:Basically would a typical suicide ganker think it would be be worth it to gank [Explo. Frigate here] if it had 10mil ISK in it's cargo hold, 30 mil? 50? Etc...
A suicide ganker will gank you if they can gank you. There are enough ways to pay the bills that the profitability of a gank isn't a factor. Pay attention, be at your keyboard, and you'll be fine. Or you won't, and you'll lose a ship, and learn a lesson. It's a game, enjoy it either way. |
Paranoid Loyd
1897
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Posted - 2014.09.17 02:29:00 -
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Diophantus Barviainen wrote:Well, I have been playing for a couple days, I rather should have phrased it as "should I take up seriously playing an MMO".
As for the cargo thing I think I have a few clever ideas that will help keep me from being a target. Though I just want to know the likelihood of my heron getting blown up when returning from Hisec data sites. Basically would a typical suicide ganker think it would be be worth it to gank [Explo. Frigate here] if it had 10mil ISK in it's cargo hold, 30 mil? 50? Etc...
Also tips for selling off that loot, like those multimillion ISK data chips? Under normal circumstances no, with the exception of you autopiltoing or if you happen to come across someone who is bored. That being said catching a frigate that is not autopiloting is somewhat difficult as you align pretty quickly. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Diophantus Barviainen
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.17 02:47:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Diophantus Barviainen wrote:Well, I have been playing for a couple days, I rather should have phrased it as "should I take up seriously playing an MMO".
As for the cargo thing I think I have a few clever ideas that will help keep me from being a target. Though I just want to know the likelihood of my heron getting blown up when returning from Hisec data sites. Basically would a typical suicide ganker think it would be be worth it to gank [Explo. Frigate here] if it had 10mil ISK in it's cargo hold, 30 mil? 50? Etc...
Also tips for selling off that loot, like those multimillion ISK data chips? Under normal circumstances no, with the exception of you autopiltoing or if you happen to come across someone who is bored. That being said catching a frigate that is not autopiloting is somewhat difficult as you align pretty quickly. Even 50 million ISK worth of loot still won't make you a (likely) target? How high does it go? But Yeah, I never use auto pilot, and my frigate is especially hard to catch because I have a pair of these bad boys in the low slots.
Also I think I'm going to be an explorer for my current EVE career. My heron is based on this build. Though I changed out one of the scan pinpointing arrays with a prototype freight sensor as I got it free from a rat during the rookie missions, very useful. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
635
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Posted - 2014.09.17 03:05:00 -
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Diophantus Barviainen wrote:Well, I have been playing for a couple days, I rather should have phrased it as "should I take up seriously playing an MMO".
As for the cargo thing I think I have a few clever ideas that will help keep me from being a target. Though I just want to know the likelihood of my heron getting blown up when returning from Hisec data sites. Basically would a typical suicide ganker think it would be be worth it to gank [Explo. Frigate here] if it had 10mil ISK in it's cargo hold, 30 mil? 50? Etc...
Also tips for selling off that loot, like those multimillion ISK data chips?
if you are flying an exploration frigate you should be moving fast enough no one has a chance to get a shot off on you. I also make undock bookmarks so I can warp right to the undock point of a station so I can instantly dock. sometimes when you warp to a station you land a few km out of dock range and people can get a shot off on you then. And of course the insta undock bookmarks for stations you frequent. fly a few 100km away from the station and make a bookmark so when you undock you can warp out there and not give people an easy shot at you.
I've hauled many billions in shinys in frigs. The only real risk imo is a completely random smartbomb attack. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Paranoid Loyd
1899
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Posted - 2014.09.17 03:52:00 -
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Diophantus Barviainen wrote:Even 50 million ISK worth of loot still won't make you a (likely) target? How high does it go? But Yeah, I never use auto pilot, and my frigate is especially hard to catch because I have a pair of these bad boys in the low slots. Also I think I'm going to be an explorer for my current EVE career. My heron is based on this build. Though I changed out one of the scan pinpointing arrays with a prototype freight sensor as I got it free from a rat during the rookie missions, very useful.
If your frig got attacked while on autopilot, they probably are not going after your cargo, they most likely are trying to kill your pod, as some try to kill pods just to see how much they are worth. I realize you said you don't ever autopilot that is a good thing, but I wanted you to know that some people specifically target pods and it is something that should always be kept in mind. Don't ever linger in your pod or any small ship. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
635
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Posted - 2014.09.17 04:13:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Diophantus Barviainen wrote:Even 50 million ISK worth of loot still won't make you a (likely) target? How high does it go? But Yeah, I never use auto pilot, and my frigate is especially hard to catch because I have a pair of these bad boys in the low slots. Also I think I'm going to be an explorer for my current EVE career. My heron is based on this build. Though I changed out one of the scan pinpointing arrays with a prototype freight sensor as I got it free from a rat during the rookie missions, very useful. If your frig got attacked while on autopilot, they probably are not going after your cargo, they most likely are trying to kill your pod, as some try to kill pods just to see how much they are worth. I realize you said you don't ever autopilot that is a good thing, but I wanted you to know that some people specifically target pods and it is something that should always be kept in mind. Don't ever linger in your pod or any small ship.
I've seen some very high value frig/shuttle on AP kills. I killed one frig with around 500mil in cargo, and I missed a shuttle with a slave set (maybe they were +5s but whatever, point stands). I used to gank in arty thrashers, and sometimes ruptures, because I saw so many high value frigs/shuttles that I just couldn't quite get in another ship. I also went after a shuttle with a rokh blueprint, turns out it was a BPC but hey I still made money on that. not quite sure how it works out with tiericide, and frig ehp profiles,
ah well, once again the lesson is don't use autopilot. Oh yea and don't just fly around in your pod, see -10 thrashers flying around the pipes just looking for small ships/pods to pop for lulz You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Paranoid Loyd
1901
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Posted - 2014.09.17 05:21:00 -
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True, there are people who target small ships for their cargo. I should have been more clear. I can confirm thrasher and rupture are the correct tools. However I would argue the ratio of people targeting small ships to go for the pod to people targeting them to get good cargo is very largely weighted to the former. But as you said the lesson is DONT EVER AUTOPILOT! "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2014.09.17 06:53:00 -
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Diophantus Barviainen wrote:Quote:The reason I want to try EVE online is because that I have this issue that shows up in games, of not going out of my comfort zone. I always try to manipulate my surroundings to make thing easier for me because I don't want to lose. I could probably tackle hard in a game, but I play on normal. It's a mental failing of being sheltered that I need to get rid of. Not only that, but it stunts my psychological growth. I'm smart for people of my age, but if I don't push myself to my limit because of laziness or fear of being wrong, I could pull a mental tortoise and the hare and be off even worse than failing. Even if you have all of the knowledge, experience, and ships that one could know about in EVE, one still will never be in absolute control of any situation. http://25.media.tumblr.com/acf3f65dc1ca040896fbc97987787246/tumblr_n1h5banOQE1rn4ocio1_250.jpgI will die in EVE, probably a lot. I have quite a bit of common sense, and glad for that as my ordeal might not be as severe as others, but I want to put my money where my mouth is and prove myself wrong, as I can't foresee every trap, gank, and scam. I want to learn to cope with failure. To be able pick up the pieces of my mistake and continue onwards rather than beating myself up for failing. I want to play EVE so I can better myself as an individual. A philosophical trial of my character, to get a taste of reality so I am better prepared to deal with the cold lessons in life beyond New Eden, which can be infinitely more unfair. You think I'm crazy don't you? But there are lessons you can learn in New Eden that applicable to real life! There is some truth to this indeed. Although it does make you a bit crazy... and me too .
As a nerd I'm typically a bit of a pushover in real-life, and in most instances I'd bend to people's will simply for the sake of ease. Each day I play EVE I get a bit more snarky. Where as old me would never tell a stranger to F off, new me does that on a regular basis now. Like this one dude downtown who was stepping in people's way, shaking their hand, and trying to sell them some lame service. Most people were stopping, listening while visibly annoyed, and telling him "sorry not interested" then waiingt for him to move. I just looked at his hand, looked him the eye, and said, "Umm... no". He moved immediately. |
voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
267
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Posted - 2014.09.17 08:03:00 -
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Looks like you have done alot of research. I'd agree that Eve University would be a good place to start.
They also have a wiki entry on the most common scams, though you seem to have identified most of the popular ones. |
Experiment 32423
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2014.09.17 08:55:00 -
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Scams are easy to avoid if you aren't greedy and are the proud owner of more than two working brain cells. What you really have to watch out for, and worry about, is trust. No matter who you are dealing with, you should always try to minimize risk of loss that could occur through misplaced trust. Everything else you mentioned, are just the common, low-effort scams that only catch the really stupid.
TL;DR: Stop thinking about ISK doubling scams and start thinking about elaborate trust scams. |
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Diophantus Barviainen
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.17 19:31:00 -
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I have another question. This is just a trial account to see if I like EVE. When the trial times out, can I still post on the forums? Also when I play for real and get good enough to afford/run an alt, can I resurrect this account via PLEX injection and have my main give the ISK to myself to get the PLEX? I may have missed it, but is there a way to give/contract items to a specific player?
Also time investment is a big factor for me if I'm going to be in it for the long haul. Would say ~2 hours on weekdays (maybe more) be enough to enjoy EVE? And I can play as long as I'd like on weekends. Also how long does it take to become self sufficient again? (ISK income that allows to no longer buy PLEX in $) |
Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.09.17 19:58:00 -
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Diophantus Barviainen wrote:Even 50 million ISK worth of loot still won't make you a (likely) target? How high does it go? But Yeah, I never use auto pilot, and my frigate is especially hard to catch because I have a pair of these bad boys in the low slots.
50 usually are not enough. Frigates can mostly make it through but in somce cases...not, people will blow up your ship even for 10m or less. Forget about the Nanos, learn about instalock.
Diophantus Barviainen wrote:Also time investment is a big factor for me if I'm going to be in it for the long haul. Would say ~2 hours on weekdays (maybe more) be enough to enjoy EVE? And I can play as long as I'd like on weekends. Also how long does it take to become self sufficient again? (ISK income that allows to no longer buy PLEX in $)
Forget about that damn crap. Annual sub is 99 EUR/USD for the first time. But if you want you can work for me, will pay 3 USD/EUR an hour, be sure to wear old clothes. |
Terminator 2
Omega Boost
27
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Posted - 2014.09.17 21:06:00 -
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This and similar topics are just stupid.
Play it and find out if you like it or do not play it and leave us alone with your brilliant mind and thought.
Why do you think there is the kindness of a trial presented to you? To make you think if you might/should/want/want not/play it or maybe something else?
So why have you wasted my time reading and thinking about if your brains still work as they should? |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4484
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Posted - 2014.09.17 21:33:00 -
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Terminator 2 wrote:This and similar topics are just stupid.
Play it and find out if you like it or do not play it and leave us alone with your brilliant mind and thought.
Why do you think there is the kindness of a trial presented to you? To make you think if you might/should/want/want not/play it or maybe something else?
So why have you wasted my time reading and thinking about if your brains still work as they should?
And yet, here you are posting on the thread, taking time to write an utterly useless post that adds nothing to the thread.
Stay in GD with that type of stuff, it's why they invented GD. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Jimmy O'Shanty
The Westies
31
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:48:00 -
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Diophantus Barviainen wrote: Another concern of mine is that this is my first MMO.
That's an advantage. If you really want to start off on the right foot, go out right now and do something illegal. Nobody is your friend. You're an adventurous space privateer with utterly nothing to lose!
Steal, swindle and plunder your way to the top!
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Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
1282
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Posted - 2014.09.18 01:44:00 -
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Yes. You are ready to embark on the ultimate journey. Godspeed, pilot. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik
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Diophantus Barviainen
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.09.18 02:13:00 -
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So far I have been liking EVE. I'm trying to do exploration as a beginning way to make some ISK, though I have some troubles finding anything. Seems like wherever I go in highsec all of the systems have been mined out of data sites. Maybe I just had an unlucky day? I try to go to the places with low player count in the last half hour. I heard that exploration sites respawn at a certain time of day, if that's the case they might be all gone before I even get on. (I live in Central Time Zone (UTC-06:00)) If that's the case I might try to explore earlier in the day.
Also tips for selling the loot from those data sites? Should I undercut the value a bit so they sell fast, or mark them up? Should I sell them in Jita? (which is pretty close to me) |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
96
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Posted - 2014.09.18 09:54:00 -
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"Ready for EVE"... What does that even mean? It's not like you need a PhD to play EVE. |
Trigger Zo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2014.09.18 11:17:00 -
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So as a new player myself i just wanted to thankyou for askimg so many important questions, which have been answered by many excellent answers! |
Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.09.18 11:18:00 -
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Diophantus Barviainen wrote:Also tips for selling the loot from those data sites? Should I undercut the value a bit so they sell fast, or mark them up? Should I sell them in Jita? (which is pretty close to me)
Don't get me wrong but this starts getting ridiculous now. |
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