Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 2 post(s) |
Sister Bertrille
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2014.09.17 14:28:00 -
[1] - Quote
This may be old news to some of you. Apologies if so but this information is worth an additional broadcast. There is almost a daily pirate/griefer gang going on in Uedama. They may not be on the gate when you get there but they are organized and arrive quickly. Especially freighter pilots....do not autopilot in or around this system, the griefer gangs are specifically looking for freighters. They will also target anyone that is idling in space or is undocked/afk. I understand the necessity of this trade route but the best advice is to avoid this system altogether. |
Bronson Hughes
Prophets of Fear
425
|
Posted - 2014.09.17 14:46:00 -
[2] - Quote
1. This is, indeed, old news. 2. It is generally a bad idea to autopilot anywhere, especially if you're hauling a large load of expensive goods. 3. It is also generally a bad idea to sit idle in space anywhere. Hisec is "safer", not "safe". 4. If you're hauling in a freighter, always use a scout, and whenever possible use web support to get the freighter into warp sooner. 5. The suicide gankers in question are not necessarily griefers. CCP has stated time and time again that hisec suicide ganking in and of itself is not griefing. See the link in my sig. To qualify as griefing, there must be a level of persistence and/or targeted harassment against a particular target, and ganking all comers through a particular system does not qualify. Some cross the line, but not most.
6. Tell Dryson that I send my regards. ;^) CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
57
|
Posted - 2014.09.17 15:41:00 -
[3] - Quote
Bronson Hughes wrote: 3. It is also generally a bad idea to sit idle in space anywhere. Hisec is "safer", not "safe".
The forum lacks the tools for me to emphasize this enough. The mechanics of highsec do not make it safe - they just impose a cost on a player if they wish to attack another there. If you are carrying valuable enough cargo and have not taken some other steps (like the ones so kindly outlined by Bronson above), another player may decide to pay those costs imposed by CONCORD and blow your ship up and take your stuff.
This is the reality of the risk vs. reward design of Eve and has nothing to do with "griefing".
Uedama is a popular, but not the only system in highsec that gankers operate in. CCP has provided a useful tool through the API that you can access directly, or through other sites like dotlan or eveeye, that can show you in near real-time which systems are currently a hot spot for ganking. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
172
|
Posted - 2014.09.17 19:18:00 -
[4] - Quote
Sister Bertrille wrote:but the best advice is to avoid this system altogether. Yes, well known and a hard system to avoid. Keeping your cargo value below 1.5 billion will help you not become a target. Some players will auto pilot for much of the route but manually pilot where needed.
This link will list recent freighter kills to find more trouble spots. Some will be wardec targets & many are in low-sec. zkillboard
|
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4148
|
Posted - 2014.09.17 20:08:00 -
[5] - Quote
Good luck avoiding Uedama and Niarja. |
Bronson Hughes
Prophets of Fear
428
|
Posted - 2014.09.17 20:17:00 -
[6] - Quote
Their location along the major trade routes, coupled with their 0.5 security status, is specifically why they are popular with gankers. Niarja in particular is bad because it's a major bottleneck: it's pretty much the only way to get to Amarr from Jita and Dodixie without going very far out of the way. (For Amarr to Jita it's 10 jumps vs 46.) CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Faylee Freir
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
38
|
Posted - 2014.09.17 22:10:00 -
[7] - Quote
I hate to be the first one to say it, but the OP is just wrong. There's nothing going on here and auto piloting is perfectly safe in hisec. In fact I regularly autopilot 5 freighters on different accounts at the same time. This guy probably accidentally set his desto to some lowsec system and went to fix himself a few hot pockets. Auto piloting is the best thing you can do. |
Sister Bertrille
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2014.09.18 00:03:00 -
[8] - Quote
Faylee Freir wrote:I hate to be the first one to say it, but the OP is just wrong. There's nothing going on here and auto piloting is perfectly safe in hisec. In fact I regularly autopilot 5 freighters on different accounts at the same time. This guy probably accidentally set his desto to some lowsec system and went to fix himself a few hot pockets. Auto piloting is the best thing you can do.
Please dont post irrelevant sarcatsic spam/crap in this forum/thread. I'm trying to help the industrial people of this game. |
Faylee Freir
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
38
|
Posted - 2014.09.18 00:29:00 -
[9] - Quote
Sister Bertrille wrote:Faylee Freir wrote:I hate to be the first one to say it, but the OP is just wrong. There's nothing going on here and auto piloting is perfectly safe in hisec. In fact I regularly autopilot 5 freighters on different accounts at the same time. This guy probably accidentally set his desto to some lowsec system and went to fix himself a few hot pockets. Auto piloting is the best thing you can do. Please dont post irrelevant sarcatsic spam/crap in this forum/thread. I'm trying to help the industrial people of this game. Please don't post threads that are irrelevant to this specific sub-forum. This belongs in crime and punishment. Let's get back on topic though, autopiloting is such a handy feature. It should definitely be used more. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5584
|
Posted - 2014.09.18 00:39:00 -
[10] - Quote
Sister Bertrille wrote:...griefer gang
...griefer gangs
Griefing is specifically banned in the EULA/TOS. If someone is griefing you, file a petition. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
|
Faylee Freir
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
38
|
Posted - 2014.09.18 01:48:00 -
[11] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Sister Bertrille wrote:...griefer gang
...griefer gangs Griefing is specifically banned in the EULA/TOS. If someone is griefing you, file a petition. Sorry, but ganking in hisec is not griefing. This belongs in C&P. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5585
|
Posted - 2014.09.18 01:51:00 -
[12] - Quote
Faylee Freir wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Sister Bertrille wrote:...griefer gang
...griefer gangs Griefing is specifically banned in the EULA/TOS. If someone is griefing you, file a petition. Sorry, but ganking in hisec is not griefing. This belongs in C&P.
That was my point. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Faylee Freir
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
38
|
Posted - 2014.09.18 02:02:00 -
[13] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Faylee Freir wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Sister Bertrille wrote:...griefer gang
...griefer gangs Griefing is specifically banned in the EULA/TOS. If someone is griefing you, file a petition. Sorry, but ganking in hisec is not griefing. This belongs in C&P. That was my point. Oh, then good point. This man has good points. |
Bronson Hughes
Prophets of Fear
430
|
Posted - 2014.09.18 11:00:00 -
[14] - Quote
Faylee Freir wrote:I hate to be the first one to say it, but the OP is just wrong. There's nothing going on here and auto piloting is perfectly safe in hisec. In fact I regularly autopilot 5 freighters on different accounts at the same time. This guy probably accidentally set his desto to some lowsec system and went to fix himself a few hot pockets. Auto piloting is the best thing you can do. I see what you did there.... CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Bronson Hughes
Prophets of Fear
430
|
Posted - 2014.09.18 11:04:00 -
[15] - Quote
Sister Bertrille wrote:I'm trying to help the industrial people of this game. Your OP is precisely how you can best help the industry/hauler folks in this game: education. Props to you for trying to educate people as to the nature of the game and the dangers associated with playing instead of calling for a particular style of gameplay that you dislike to be nerfed.
Now, if you could just learn the difference between a ganker and a griefer.... CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
173
|
Posted - 2014.09.18 13:38:00 -
[16] - Quote
Faylee Freir wrote:Auto piloting is the best thing you can do. Don't forget that small loads waste a lot of space fuel and create pollution. Be sure to carry as much as possible while auto-piloting. Cargo rigs and modules help with this.
|
|
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1628
|
Posted - 2014.09.18 15:06:00 -
[17] - Quote
Removed some trolling/derailing posts.
Please stay respectful and on topic. ISD LackOfFaith Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums. |
|
Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux
84
|
Posted - 2014.09.18 21:39:00 -
[18] - Quote
Title should read "Do Not Autopilot" as in at all, ever... |
Faylee Freir
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
39
|
Posted - 2014.09.19 03:34:00 -
[19] - Quote
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Removed some trolling/derailing posts.
Please stay respectful and on topic. I still think this belongs in crime and punishment. |
Airto TLA
Puppeteers of Doom
59
|
Posted - 2014.09.19 03:41:00 -
[20] - Quote
It makes sense here, since newer industrialist often look in this forum, and they are the ones the "bad guys" are out to gank.
and since most big haulers are so dreadfully boring to fly, almost everyone autopilots for some part of the journey ( even so they can do something on an alt.) |
|
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5586
|
Posted - 2014.09.19 03:45:00 -
[21] - Quote
Airto TLA wrote:It makes sense here, since newer industrialist often look in this forum, and they are the ones the "bad guys" are out to gank.
Why would someone gank someone for rifters?
(Newbie industrialists don't have the money to be worth ganking, and old players new to industry quite simply should know better.) "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Junkiloton
Junk's Empire Welfare and Utilities
0
|
Posted - 2014.09.19 04:34:00 -
[22] - Quote
Most ganks are done for lulz, regardless of payload. Ganker knows he gets insurance + half his mods/inventory back, plus whatever their hauler/salvager snags from the wrecks. Sometimes, just knowing that they screwed someone out of a 1.5b isk ship is payment enough, since each of your gankers is unlikely to have lost more than an hour of their own time as far as isk goes.
Actually having a load they can steal only improves your chances of getting ganked. Flying something that's untanked raises this chance further, and autopiloting comes close to guaranteeing it.
That being said, back in the day, I used to frequent the Amarr-Jita highway in a fenrir rather frequently. Did this for full on a year or so without issue. I've also done deep-space logistics and rarely lost ships to anything other than blatant idiocy. Pretty much don't haul 3b+ of goods and don't autopilot and you'll be safe in high-sec. Also don't put freighter toons in player corps that aren't part of a major alliance. That never ends well. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5586
|
Posted - 2014.09.19 04:57:00 -
[23] - Quote
Junkiloton wrote:Ganker knows he gets insurance
Did we find a time machine? This hasn't been true for three years.
Quote:Pretty much don't haul 3b+ of goods and don't autopilot and you'll be safe in high-sec. Also don't put freighter toons in player corps that aren't part of a major alliance. That never ends well.
But if ganks are done for the lulz why would you be safe with under 3b? Or is it that gankers tend to gank high value targets because those are profitable and you think 3b is not valuable enough? "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Faylee Freir
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
39
|
Posted - 2014.09.19 11:19:00 -
[24] - Quote
Airto TLA wrote:It makes sense here, since newer industrialist often look in this forum, and they are the ones the "bad guys" are out to gank.
and since most big haulers are so dreadfully boring to fly, almost everyone autopilots for some part of the journey ( even so they can do something on an alt.) Yeah, this still has nothing to do with Science and Industry. This thread is a travel advisory for haulers, which should be kept to crime and punishment. You know, because ganking haulers is a crime and is met with.... punishment?
I'm sure that ganking empty freighters happens, but I'd say most are targeted at those flying with expensive cargo. You know how all you isk efficiency nerds are. There are pvp'ers that feel the same way.
Junkiloton wrote:since each of your gankers is unlikely to have lost more than an hour of their own time as far as isk goes. This sentence is disgusting. Is EVE a second job for you? Time = fun, my friend. |
SamuelAdams
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
|
Posted - 2014.09.19 13:31:00 -
[25] - Quote
The target audience is in this forum. If you discuss moving threads, you are off topic . Pitares will shoot almost anything in Uedama that is sitting still or on autopilot. |
Sister Bertrille
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2014.09.19 13:38:00 -
[26] - Quote
My target audience is in this forum. Its an advisory for Science and Industry players. Not the kill board boys that hang out in C&P.
And the griefers (yes I said griefers) that hang out in Uedama will shoot pretty much anything thats sitting still or autopiloting. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5586
|
Posted - 2014.09.19 18:35:00 -
[27] - Quote
Sister Bertrille wrote: And the griefers (yes I said griefers)
Then why haven't you reported them to CCP? "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Ginger Barbarella
2016
|
Posted - 2014.09.19 21:25:00 -
[28] - Quote
Sister Bertrille wrote: And the griefers (yes I said griefers) that hang out in Uedama will shoot pretty much anything thats sitting still or autopiloting.
It's OK to call them griefers... that's what they call themselves. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Bronson Hughes
Prophets of Fear
437
|
Posted - 2014.09.20 00:45:00 -
[29] - Quote
Sister Bertrille wrote:And the griefers (yes I said griefers) that hang out in Uedama will shoot pretty much anything thats sitting still or autopiloting. Randomly shooting any comers is, by definition, not griefing. Giefing involves persistent targeting of an individual that elevates to the level of harassment.
CCP bans players that meet their definition of griefing. How many suicide gankers get banned? Astonishingly few.
Regardless, autopiloting through Uedama is never a good idea, even if the gank fleets aren't running. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Faylee Freir
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
39
|
Posted - 2014.09.20 11:04:00 -
[30] - Quote
Sister Bertrille wrote:My target audience is in this forum. Its an advisory for Science and Industry players. Not the kill board boys that hang out in C&P.
And the griefers (yes I said griefers) that hang out in Uedama will shoot pretty much anything thats sitting still or autopiloting. Since when is PVP griefing? Suicide ganking is a part of this game. You should probably find another game to play |
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |