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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4691
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:20:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Abrazzar wrote:This thread is a living example on how the media works on this: Instead of talking about the causes of GamerGate, there is a discussion about death threats and harassment. It went completely off-topic. The harassment is completely on-topic. It is a representation of the gaming community and its excessive reaction to what amounts to bad journalism. It's an attempt to invalidate the opinion of the many with the actions of a few. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
14324
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:22:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote: It's an attempt to invalidate the opinion of the many with the actions of a few.
And how do you feel about the actions that the few have taken on everyone's behalf?
Do you approve of them? Do you think they're completely irrelevant to the discussion? my brains not functioning.. need somethign meaningful to say here --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4691
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:28:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Abrazzar wrote: It's an attempt to invalidate the opinion of the many with the actions of a few.
And how do you feel about the actions that the few have taken on everyone's behalf? Do you approve of them? Do you think they're completely irrelevant to the discussion? I consider the questions completely irrelevant. Let the authorities deal with that. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
14324
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:36:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Abrazzar wrote: It's an attempt to invalidate the opinion of the many with the actions of a few.
And how do you feel about the actions that the few have taken on everyone's behalf? Do you approve of them? Do you think they're completely irrelevant to the discussion? I consider the questions completely irrelevant. Let the authorities deal with that.
I'm sure the "few" appreciate your tacit approval of their actions, then.
my brains not functioning.. need somethign meaningful to say here --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
359
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:40:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Abrazzar wrote: It's an attempt to invalidate the opinion of the many with the actions of a few.
And how do you feel about the actions that the few have taken on everyone's behalf? Do you approve of them? Do you think they're completely irrelevant to the discussion?
So you know these people personally? Or have communicated with them enough to have been told that they made these threats on behalf of a community that for the most part doesn't even know they exist?
I don't recall voting for them to represent me or my friends.
And what is your personal problem with allowing the authorities to determine who is at fault, or if any crime was committed?
That's the problem with SJW's, they don't believe in "innocent until proven guilty", they believe in "guilty until we eliminate them, then we'll figure out what actually happened, and if it doesn't fit our agenda, we'll conveniently shove it under the rug." Profit favors the prepared |
Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
2130
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:42:00 -
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I may be naive, but in my opinion people don't mention "death threats are bad and an abominable response", because that should be clear to anyone who isn't completely out of touch with reality.
So there really isn't much to discuss about death threats.. everyone should agree that they are bad, really. I cannot imagine any remotely sensible and constructive discussion where people defend death threats.
On the other hand, discussion about sexism, what is?, what is not?, why? and so on .. you can have a discussion about those things. So I understand why people would rather talk about that instead of letting the topic derail into a mutual confirmation of something which should be clear anyway: "Death threats are bad"
With the above I am talking about sensible people looking for a discussion.
Then there are trolls and maybe worse. They naturally target the more controversial topic, too. As mentioned, nothing about death threats should be controversial.
So in my opinion, that's why more people talk about sexism in video games than death threats.
If there really are people who consider death threats alright, just because it isn't said at every opportunity, then I really am worried for humanity.. |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12385
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:45:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Abrazzar wrote: It's an attempt to invalidate the opinion of the many with the actions of a few.
And how do you feel about the actions that the few have taken on everyone's behalf? Do you approve of them? Do you think they're completely irrelevant to the discussion? https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg
But in purple, I'm stunning!
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
693
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:45:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Well, I don't really think so. I mean, it's a very small segment of the "gaming community" that has even heard of this. I'd never heard anything about it till this thread was made, so I don't think it's fair to say that "the gaming community" has dismissed or ignored the ill deeds of the few and therefore given their tacit approval of it.
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Think about it this way, how many things go on in this world that you and probably most reasonable people believe are wrong? Are we giving our tacit approval to all the evil deeds of mankind if we dont speak out against each and every one?
You make a good point here. .
Ty. BUT, that's not to say that you shouldn't speak out against something you feel strongly about, indeed, you SHOULD speak your conscience, it's just that everybody picks and chooses their battles, so to speak, because there's just not enough time to hit em all. I just don't want people thinking that those who dont actually make an effort to speak out are giving tacit approval, that's all.
Speak your mind
\m/ O.o \m/
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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12386
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:47:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Abrazzar wrote: It's an attempt to invalidate the opinion of the many with the actions of a few.
And how do you feel about the actions that the few have taken on everyone's behalf? Do you approve of them? Do you think they're completely irrelevant to the discussion? I consider the questions completely irrelevant. Let the authorities deal with that. I'm sure the "few" appreciate your tacit approval of their actions, then. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg
But in purple, I'm stunning!
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
14325
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:51:00 -
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Here's yours: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter
I enjoy this game. my brains not functioning.. need somethign meaningful to say here --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12386
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:55:00 -
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So you're not trying to steer the conversation away from the conflict of interest story? If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg
But in purple, I'm stunning!
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
14325
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:59:00 -
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Ila Dace wrote:
So you're not trying to steer the conversation away from the conflict of interest story?
The topic is about conflict of interest now instead of sexism in video games as stated by OP?
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
my brains not functioning.. need somethign meaningful to say here --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12386
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:00:00 -
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The conflict of interest story was the counter-argument to the accusations of sexism. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg
But in purple, I'm stunning!
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
14325
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:06:00 -
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Yeesh, I'll drop my harassment diatribe. I would love to say I have your energy, but I will freely admit I do not.
OP, I apologize for the excursion from the topic at hand.. are games as sexist as they are accused of being? I'll be happy to see you steer the discussion accordingly.
my brains not functioning.. need somethign meaningful to say here --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
14327
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:10:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote: So you know these people personally? Or have communicated with them enough to have been told that they made these threats on behalf of a community that for the most part doesn't even know they exist?
I don't recall voting for them to represent me or my friends.
And what is your personal problem with allowing the authorities to determine who is at fault, or if any crime was committed?
That's the problem with SJW's, they don't believe in "innocent until proven guilty", they believe in "guilty until we eliminate them, then we'll figure out what actually happened, and if it doesn't fit our agenda, we'll conveniently shove it under the rug."
I think that one mistake I have made here, that you've pointed out, is in assuming that these threats are not staged. You (and Abrazzar) are right.. the authorities should deal with that and they shouldn't be treated as facts in an argument (as I have done).
my brains not functioning.. need somethign meaningful to say here --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
14327
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:14:00 -
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Riyria Twinpeaks wrote: So there really isn't much to discuss about death threats.. everyone should agree that they are bad, really. I cannot imagine any remotely sensible and constructive discussion where people defend death threats.
Well that's a good point which I hadn't considered.
You don't post very often on the forums, but it's good you wrote something up that stopped me in my tracks.
my brains not functioning.. need somethign meaningful to say here --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5472
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:39:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:This thread is a living example on how the media works on this: Instead of talking about the causes of GamerGate, there is a discussion about death threats and harassment. It went completely off-topic.
That was the goal of the threat and all the reason why I think it was fabricated.
Ironically, it's all about *some* women doing the very things that women will deliver the "not all women are like that" (NAWALT) line to us while one of the women who is proven to be like that is claiming to have been threatened while trying to indict an entire community, thus doing the very thing the motivates them to use the NAWALT line.
That's the kind of thinking that will destroy civilization. Not like I care though. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
694
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Posted - 2014.09.18 21:54:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
That's the kind of thinking that will destroy civilization. Not like I care though.
Oh man, that ship started sinking a long time ago. When I was younger I used to hope that the sheeyat would hit the fan in my lifetime so I could fight against it. Now I just want to live in peace and pretty much be left alone.
\m/ O.o \m/
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2286
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Posted - 2014.09.18 22:19:00 -
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Thread temporarily locked for some cleaning. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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colay Starwolf
HelpMyMissioners
43
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:40:00 -
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thank you sir i made this because i think it should be talked about EvE is a big mmorpg ( Many Men Online Role Playing Girls) game |
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colay Starwolf
HelpMyMissioners
43
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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:35:00 -
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updated op EvE is a big mmorpg ( Many Men Online Role Playing Girls) game |
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
251
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Posted - 2014.09.21 02:29:00 -
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I didn't know about gamergate, because that isn't a thing of interest here in Germany. But after getting a cursory glance at it it's clear that those gamergate people and their supporters are the whiniest and most pathetic failures i have ever heard of.
Well, i guess if i could be bothered to think about it i would probably remember worse, i'm not new to the internet after all but seriously, how can anyone take these guys not just as a bunch of losers?
First of all hey take a irrelevant topic (friggin game reviews) and go apeshit about their quality. But not because big publishers are threatening to take their millions of dollars ad money somewhere else if the reviews aren't rigged for them... nooope, it's one unknown woman trading sex for good reviews on an unknown indie game that ruins game journalism. All his is about is that said woman had allegedly affairs with some people, none of whom had ever writen a review about her game. The only ones who would make a fuss out of this are either the pope, because disapproving of sex outside marriage comes with his job, or people without a sex life of their own, because of jealousy.
Then they go out of their way to find out adress and phone number and spend a ton of time formulating elaborate death threats to women that are affecting them exactly zero because that is the only way they can feel like they are competent and have a slice of power as opposed to their situation in their useless lives.
And when they are called out on that they whine about "beta-male indoktrination" and how there is a conspiracy against men in general and against them especially because they need someone else to blame for their failures, otherwise all hey had left is to face the fact that it is just their own ineptitude and their own stupid mistakes that are responsible for what became of them. They are living a life of fear of others and of the truth about themselves and lashing out is the only response they are capable of.
Rather pitiful than deserving of scorn actually. I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4699
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Posted - 2014.09.21 14:11:00 -
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People that don't quite know what this is all about might want to read the summary of things in this article posted at Forbes. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
colay Starwolf
HelpMyMissioners
44
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Posted - 2014.09.21 16:40:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:People that don't quite know what this is all about might want to read the summary of things in this article posted at Forbes.
thanks added to op EvE is a big mmorpg ( Many Men Online Role Playing Girls) game |
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
159
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Posted - 2014.09.23 02:22:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:People that don't quite know what this is all about might want to read the summary of things in this article posted at Forbes.
That's the best piece of writing I've read on the whole issue so far. Actually, it's the only good piece of writing I've read about GamerGate so far. It's refreshing to finally come across a level-headed and properly nuanced outlook at this whole mess, that doesn't resort to hysterics, ideologies, and over-simplistic emotion-driven thinking.
Not that I agree with everything written there, and I do think the writer is informed by a characteristically American perception bias where the political discourse is for the most part very bipolar, and things have to be put in terms of a neat liberal-versus-conservative dichotomy. But it was a very refreshing piece to read nonetheless. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
14679
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Posted - 2014.09.23 02:41:00 -
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Didn't see this piece by Devin Faraci in OP. I think it's a good read.
Why I Feel Bad For - And Understand - The Angry #GamerGate Gamers
Capairkspia numver 3 . Hajahhahah -á-á-á[and later..] -á-áWe popded a russkie 2 day aho. \o/-á--Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
Ria Nieyli
21049
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Posted - 2014.09.23 10:32:00 -
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That article is rather dehumanising. And it's written that way on purpose. Shame on Faraci. Mirrored eyes |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
14820
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Posted - 2014.09.23 10:56:00 -
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Explain. Capairkspia numver 3 . Hajahhahah -á-á-á[and later..] -á-áWe popded a russkie 2 day aho. \o/-á--Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9882
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Posted - 2014.09.23 11:02:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:That article is rather dehumanising. And it's written that way on purpose. Shame on Faraci.
Coming from someone like you, that's pretty funny.
Why haven't you biomassed yet? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Ria Nieyli
21049
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Posted - 2014.09.23 11:44:00 -
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It's basically one part "look at them, they're so bad", describing gamers as social misfits that, quote, smell and dress like ****. And one part "I'm better than them" Mirrored eyes |
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