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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.23 13:50:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:It's basically one part "look at them, they're so bad", describing gamers as social misfits that, quote, smell and dress like ****. And one part "I'm better than them"
Actually I've never thought being a misfit is a bad thing (and the author self identifies as one). What is bad is the social consequences of being a misfit, some of which may be related to aspects of the topic of the thread.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.23 14:10:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Let me first state that I moved this thread here instead of taking the easy way and lock it when I found it, because I believe we do not live in splendid isolation. This topic is going to be debated and to a certain extend it concerns us, the EvE community, the EvE players, gamers in and of EvE. My thought was, we might as well debate about it among ourselves. Please, I implore you, do not make me regret this decision! That said, I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules:4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
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The use of profanity is prohibited on the EVE Online forums. This includes the partial masking of letters using numbers or alternate symbols, and any attempts at bypassing the profanity filter. 11. Discussion of warnings and bans is prohibited.
Such matters shall remain private between CCP and the involved user. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through email or private messaging. CCP respect the right of our players to privacy and as such you are not permitted to publicize private correspondence (including support ticket responses and emails) received from any member of CCP staff. 27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster. Thread unlocked. how do you get that worked up about the gaming "press", ope is such a peacfull place.
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colay Starwolf
HelpMyMissioners
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Posted - 2014.09.23 16:33:00 -
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its not all press for the most part it seams to be the press in the USA are pushing a ultra left idea or trying to push one on game makers.Some gamers some indie devs and others are fighting back. #gamergate was born EvE is a big mmorpg ( Many Men Online Role Playing Girls) game |
RoAnnon
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.23 16:42:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: how do you get that worked up about the gaming "press", ope is such a peacfull place.
It's mostly just a courtesy: the whole scandal/crisis is fabricated at great :effort:, it would be impolite not to rage and rant and discuss the **** out of it... So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
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Posted - 2014.09.23 17:30:00 -
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all I see in all of this is:
- someone traded favours (of the sexual kind, and I could say "allegedly", but it seems that it's more of a fact than allegation at this point), to someone in the gaming journalism (I felt dirty saying this here), so that their game could get some thumbs up.
- this came into light, and so people cried "ohnoes, gaming journalism is actually corrupt!".
- journalism outlets went "HELL NO THIS IS A MISOGYNIST PLOT!"
- cue in SJW's
- cue in "GAMERS ARE DEADED!"
- cue in more rage
- more fire
- more rage
- lots of doxxing
- EXPLOSIOOOONS!
...pretty much what I get here. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.23 17:49:00 -
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colay Starwolf wrote:its not all press for the most part it seams to be the press in the USA are pushing a ultra left idea or trying to push one on game makers.Some gamers some indie devs and others are fighting back. #gamergate was born so its just us media being us media then.
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2014.09.23 17:57:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:all I see in all of this is:
- someone traded favours (of the sexual kind, and I could say "allegedly", but it seems that it's more of a fact than allegation at this point), to someone in the gaming journalism (I felt dirty saying this here), so that their game could get some thumbs up.
- this came into light, and so people cried "ohnoes, gaming journalism is actually corrupt!".
- journalism outlets went "HELL NO THIS IS A MISOGYNIST PLOT!"
- cue in SJW's
- cue in "GAMERS ARE DEADED!"
- cue in more rage
- more fire
- more rage
- lots of doxxing
- EXPLOSIOOOONS!
...pretty much what I get here.
edit: also the Forbes article seems to be the most moderated I have read, and also bang-on on what I have said time and again: there are bad people on both sides, so don't get roped on them.
Basically it's the same situation as 15 years ago, except that the crazy per capita is a lot higher now. Mirrored eyes |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2392
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Posted - 2014.09.23 18:59:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Grimpak wrote:all I see in all of this is:
- someone traded favours (of the sexual kind, and I could say "allegedly", but it seems that it's more of a fact than allegation at this point), to someone in the gaming journalism (I felt dirty saying this here), so that their game could get some thumbs up.
- this came into light, and so people cried "ohnoes, gaming journalism is actually corrupt!".
- journalism outlets went "HELL NO THIS IS A MISOGYNIST PLOT!"
- cue in SJW's
- cue in "GAMERS ARE DEADED!"
- cue in more rage
- more fire
- more rage
- lots of doxxing
- EXPLOSIOOOONS!
...pretty much what I get here.
edit: also the Forbes article seems to be the most moderated I have read, and also bang-on on what I have said time and again: there are bad people on both sides, so don't get roped on them. Basically it's the same situation as 15 years ago, except that the crazy per capita is a lot higher now. I blame the lack of natural selection for that [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Clementina
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2014.09.23 19:00:42 -
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Whenever you have a situation where a woman sleeps with a man with connections or access and by doing so gains something, like to speculate at random; gaming awards, coverage for a video game, or a job. it is a likely possibility that there is a woman who refused to sleep with said man and therefore did not get a job, or an award for a game, or coverage. |
colay Starwolf
HelpMyMissioners
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Posted - 2014.09.23 22:41:08 -
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Clementina wrote:Whenever you have a situation where a woman sleeps with a man with connections or access and by doing so gains something, like to speculate at random; gaming awards, coverage for a video game, or a job. it is a likely possibility that there is a woman who refused to sleep with said man and therefore did not get a job, or an award for a game, or coverage.
This is where #notyoushield gets a lot of support from ladys so many want to make it with talent but no pass for the one putting out.
EvE is a big mmorpg ( Many Men Online Role Playing Girls) game
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Keorythe
Terra Rosa Militia SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.25 02:23:38 -
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I think the sad part his is that the entire narrative has been focusing on the harassment and doxxing as the main issue. Granted, this is because the people connected to the issue also have the best media connections. No Youtube channel is going to get the same kind of traction as 10 articles dehumanizing "gamers" as a whole instead of just the harassers. Biting the hand that feeds you is going to get outcry and that's what happened here.
Zoe Quinn harassment over this issue was practically non-existent when this first started up. No one cared about it until people started realizing the implications of her relationship with the journalist, and then to Independent Game Festival judges. Suddenly there was a slew of claims of harassment and screams of misogyny. The narrative has since been derailed to only be about the harassment. Anna Sarkessian was NEVER part of the whole scandal. She was roped in later as support for Quinn due to the harassment....and later to be revealed that Quinn's PR firm works with Sarkessian.
Think about that for a moment. A handful of harassers are suddenly representative for gamers as a whole. But no one bothered to look at the counter harassment going on either and not by just anonymous actors either but by some of the very people involved here. It gets even worse when real independent people like TotalBiscuit and Boogie who had been supporting independent game development are turned on when they began to question some of the blatant collusion between the media and game devs.
Now, we not only have real issues with IGF judge rigging and a REAL RACKETEERING issue. One of those devs affected would have to file a charge against the IGF and follow through to the end. Probably causing the entire thing to collapse and go away. I don't see many wanting that.
But the worst thing to take out of this? It's that these writers treat harassment as a gamers only thing. The fact that Robert Ebert got death threats for movies he reviewed ought to be enough to show that this kind of thing has happened for decades. That was back in the paper mail days too. Only today it's just easier to hide behind an anonymous identity. If you're going to be a public and/or controversial figure, then you can expect to get hate mail from a handful of fringe types out of the millions of normal people who watch you stuff. Video games critics are no different.
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colay Starwolf
HelpMyMissioners
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Posted - 2014.09.28 17:09:31 -
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new video
EvE is a big mmorpg ( Many Men Online Role Playing Girls) game
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Jace Sarice
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Posted - 2014.09.28 17:20:59 -
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Yes, because this thread needed to stay active. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.09.28 17:36:09 -
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Facks given so far: zero.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.10.06 14:37:41 -
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I am apathy embodied.
Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on.
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2014.10.06 15:21:07 -
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I might be inclined to care more if I had ever, at any point, in my life gave a crud about game reviews. This girl behaved badly. That alone I can empathize with. Turning it into a massive spectacle for attention, I can not. Men are pretty much ruled by their schlongs. At least indirectly . Louis C.K said once that humans **** up and across. They never **** down. Unless they are lid to and somehow get convinced they are ******* up. |
Corvois
Sentinel Development Studio
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Posted - 2014.10.07 11:46:36 -
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How is this even a thing? There is no real money involved, no real stakes at all. Nothing.
I would have thought that if gamers were to get up in arms about reviews, it would be how the mainstream part of an admittedly niche subset of the press churn out high ratings for the AAA title du jour with a surprising frequency. Not about the alleged misdeeds of gaming's working poor. |
Lady Areola Fappington
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Posted - 2014.10.08 03:11:32 -
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Corvois wrote:How is this even a thing? There is no real money involved, no real stakes at all. Nothing.
I would have thought that if gamers were to get up in arms about reviews, it would be how the mainstream part of an admittedly niche subset of the press churn out high ratings for the AAA title du jour with a surprising frequency. Not about the alleged misdeeds of gaming's working poor.
I've always felt that if you can't explain the relevance of Kayne & Lynch to gaming media (without google), then you've really got no reason to slag on Zoe Quinn.
It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . -á--CCP Soundwave
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Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.08 11:35:37 -
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Corvois wrote:How is this even a thing? There is no real money involved, no real stakes at all. Nothing.
I would have thought that if gamers were to get up in arms about reviews, it would be how the mainstream part of an admittedly niche subset of the press churn out high ratings for the AAA title du jour with a surprising frequency. Not about the alleged misdeeds of gaming's working poor. Well, it all started with a whiny rant of a loser and all the other failures found it to be a rally point for their own misery. Because it allowed them to blame someone else for being so pathetic. Also since such suckers aren't exactly appealing to women, they get rejected by them all the time, so that dumbass manifesto met the fertile ground of the "forever alone hate" of eternal virgins.
That's all what GamerGate is about: "I'm a loser and someone else is to blame for this."
I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.10.08 13:18:20 -
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Sebastian N Cain wrote: That's all what GamerGate is about: "I'm a loser and someone else is to blame for this."
That, and all the fraud, waste, corruption, and abuse.
But yeah, because it's a female, it couldn't possibly be about her reprehensible actions, it must be because vagina! Grr, men!
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.10 00:41:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Sebastian N Cain wrote: That's all what GamerGate is about: "I'm a loser and someone else is to blame for this."
That, and all the fraud, waste, corruption, and abuse. But yeah, because it's a female, it couldn't possibly be about her reprehensible actions, it must be because vagina! Grr, men!
There is all that, but if you want to go against this, you need to pick the right targets. It's the billion-dollar AAA publishers that are calling he shots, not some obscure indie-devs with hardly any money no one knows. Getting ubiquitous coverage about their new titles, hyping everyone into preorders and then it turns out to be a piece of **** that all the gaming press refuses to give negative reviews until it's too late, if ever... moneygrab schemes like DLCs, microtransactions becoming more and more widespread... this are the things that are actually ruining games. And they can do that because they have the millions of ad money, they are the ones giving game reviewers access and background info and everything and they are the ones blacklisting everyone that doesn't do as they say.
Sarkeesian critizising depiction of women in games? Maybe she is right, maybe she is not... it doesn't matter because nothing she does will have ever any consequences. She is just someone who made some youtube videos. That is absolutely unimportant and the only point is some intellectual interest about the topic. The only thing that really changes anything is the bottom line of the big publishers, nothing else. Quinn dating a Game Journalist? Who cares? He did never write about her after they got together, and the only thing he ever has written about her before that was just a passing mention in an article with a topic that wan't about her. Hardly anything more than acknowledging her existence. The entire site Kotaku -that he is working for- has not reviewed her game. So there wasn't anything like trading sex for good reviews. The only thing she did was that she dumped her ex. But given his whiny rant that he pushed anywhere he could think of... he had it coming. If you are the kind of guy that is so pathetic and then harrasses his ex of course you get dumped. People like him only exist to make fun of.
Choosing them as the main representatives of the problems in gaming is so hilariously mistaken as you can get and this is the reason why Gamergaters are not taken seriously at best, or only synonymous with ****/murder-threats. You don't even mention the issues that are really there in gaming, you don't disassociate yourself with the dipshits making those threats (some say a sentence or two how they don't condone this behaviour, but you don't boot them out or get yourself a new banner where these freaks aren't allowed in or do anything of consequence, so it's just lipservice and regarded as such). You are haring off to pursue some harebrained scheme where some small fries are actually running the whole gaming world with some conspiracy that is powered solely by Zoe Quinns genitals.
So if you are serious about creating a movement that is making gaming better for everyone, create a new banner to rally to without the freaks, kick them out when they appear, do some research where the real issues are and then do your campaign to adress these issues. Then you can be taken seriously and get some respect. I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2014.10.20 20:27:05 -
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Well now I just KNEW this was going to happen.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
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Posted - 2014.10.20 22:31:22 -
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A quick question for the Gamergate supporters: If this is all about ethics in journalism, why are you going after female developers and critics, and not the journalists?
The only logical answer I can come up with is that you really just don't want women talking about games. |
stoicfaux
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Sebastian N Cain wrote: That's all what GamerGate is about: "I'm a loser and someone else is to blame for this."
That, and all the fraud, waste, corruption, and abuse. But yeah, because it's a female, it couldn't possibly be about her reprehensible actions, it must be because vagina! Grr, men! What reprehensible actions? All the reputable news sites flag the ex as having made false accusations.
As for the gaming press in general, the first clue of a problem is that the reviewers rely on advertising money from the games they review. And this was back during the pre-internet days of magazines.
As for adolescent male sexism in games, yup there is a huge amount of it. Do women want to play sexist games? Doubtful. Do publishers want to tap into the '50% of people are female' market? Yes. Does this mean that guys will have to see Ubisoft and EA spend their finite resources developing non-guy games? Yup. Are guys going to have to accept change and disruption? Yes.
Or has anyone not noticed how expensive AAA games are to make? At the current rate, Mass Effect V will need to include bejeweled and FarmVille mini games to break even while running on the iPhone VIIII. As a groknard, the people complaining about SJWs watering down their games haven't heard me rant about how consoles have dumbed down games tremendously. Just imagine how good Halo or Bioshock could have been if they were PC only games. Seriously, Halo was crap and I loathe Microsoft for making Bungie make it console only.
As for the gamergate cause, it never had a chance of being successful. If your Rosa Parks is a jilted ex boyfriend making up nasty rumors about his ex, then you'll never gain the moral high ground because you'll be too busy defaming the girlfriend with wild accusations to drown out questions about the credibility of the boyfriend (and why you're continuing to side with a deranged ******* instead of trying to distance yourself.). That's a downward spiral of a paradigm you can readily see everyday from politicians to celebrities to neighbors. And it never ends well.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.10.21 15:59:08 -
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Souxie Alduin wrote:A quick question for the Gamergate supporters: If this is all about ethics in journalism, why are you going after female developers and critics, and not the journalists?
Aside from being ******* tired of this ridiculous circus, gender is the last thing on my mind when developers and journalists lapse in ethics and clearly display a behavior that they have no professional integrity whatsoever.
Souxie Alduin wrote:The only logical answer I can come up with is that you really just don't want women talking about games.
Again, and echoing what I said about gender. I don't care as long as they can talk about games rather than a knee-jerk tunnel visioning on things that can be interpreted as sexual advances (as in the case of Lara Croft) or ridiculous portrayal of female characters or the lack of. I don't know about you but I have yet to see a single review by a female critic/reviewer that hasn't somehow been negatively influenced by the examples above rather than focusing on other flawed parts of the game which only tells me that portrayal of women in games is more important to women than game design, mechanics and story.
Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on.
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Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
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Posted - 2014.10.21 18:57:33 -
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Alpheias wrote:Souxie Alduin wrote:A quick question for the Gamergate supporters: If this is all about ethics in journalism, why are you going after female developers and critics, and not the journalists? Aside from being ******* tired of this ridiculous circus, gender is the last thing on my mind when developers and journalists lapse in ethics and clearly display a behavior that they have no professional integrity whatsoever. Souxie Alduin wrote:The only logical answer I can come up with is that you really just don't want women talking about games. Again, and echoing what I said about gender. I don't care as long as they can talk about games rather than a knee-jerk tunnel visioning on things that can be interpreted as sexual advances (as in the case of Lara Croft) or ridiculous portrayal of female characters or the lack of. I don't know about you but I have yet to see a single review by a female critic/reviewer that hasn't somehow been negatively influenced by the examples above rather than focusing on other flawed parts of the game which only tells me that portrayal of women in games is more important to women than game design, mechanics and story.
Maybe half the worlds population are sick of being portrayed as either boobs-with-legs or damsels in distress.
And what are these lapses in ethics you mention? Saarkesian sleeping around for reviews? If so, you know that's not actually true, right? |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.10.21 20:14:52 -
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Souxie Alduin wrote:Maybe half the worlds population are sick of being portrayed as either boobs-with-legs or damsels in distress.
Which is a fair argument to make in the year 2014 where we like think of ourselves as a "progressive species". The damsel in distress trope has been along for centuries and have been the quick and dirty way to tell a story.
I do agree though that these days we need to look in different directions for ways to tell our stories than to build a story around a damsel in distress. Using a damsel in distress as a sub-plot (rescue Leia from the Deathstar) is fine though, in my book.
Souxie Alduin wrote:And what are these lapses in ethics you mention? Saarkesian sleeping around for reviews? If so, you know that's not actually true, right?
Professional ethics. And to my knowledge, Sarkeesian was not the one that allegedly slept around for reviews, it was Zoey Quinn. Which had nothing to with Gamergate or Sarkeesian' original video " Tropes vs Women", that is on Zoey Quinn alone and regardless if Zoey Quinn did, or did not, sleep around for reviews, is at this stage irrelevant when you have two sides so utterly hell-bent of shutting up the other that the original conversation about sexism in games and women in these two industries have largely been lost.
Look no further than twitter to witness the toxicity between the two.
Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on.
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Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
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Posted - 2014.10.21 20:20:31 -
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Souxie Alduin wrote:A quick question for the Gamergate supporters: If this is all about ethics in journalism, why are you going after female developers and critics, and not the journalists?
The only logical answer I can come up with is that you really just don't want women talking about games. a question from the third side:
will this argument will finally stop or will you people will build hate upon hate on each other for an eternity?
seeing people screaming "MISOGYNY!" at people screaming "MISANDRY!" and vice-versa for the last 2+ months is akin to beating a dead horse.
also, it stopped being funny long ago.
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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote]
ain't that right
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance
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I feel compelled, as a female video game player, that while tired and cliched, being portrayed in an objectified manner or the use of damsel in distress plot lines don't offend me in the slightest. And even if it did...guess what? I have the power to simply not buy the game. Nor would I ***** about it. Because, while I might not personally be a fan of such a game...someone else may be. And they should be able to have the ability to game how they like.
If you don't like the content just don't purchase it. I don't like beets. So when I go to the store, I don't get any. I don't complain to beet farmers about being offended by their disgusting produce. |
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
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Posted - 2014.10.21 21:43:17 -
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Alpheias wrote:Souxie Alduin wrote:Maybe half the worlds population are sick of being portrayed as either boobs-with-legs or damsels in distress. Which is a fair argument to make in the year 2014 where we like think of ourselves as a "progressive species". The damsel in distress trope has been along for centuries and have been the quick and dirty way to tell a story. I do agree though that these days we need to look in different directions for ways to tell our stories than to build a story around a damsel in distress. Using a damsel in distress as a sub-plot (rescue Leia from the Deathstar) is fine though, in my book. Souxie Alduin wrote:And what are these lapses in ethics you mention? Saarkesian sleeping around for reviews? If so, you know that's not actually true, right? Professional ethics. And to my knowledge, Sarkeesian was not the one that allegedly slept around for reviews, it was Zoey Quinn. Which had nothing to with Gamergate or Sarkeesian' original video " Tropes vs Women", that is on Zoey Quinn alone and regardless if Zoey Quinn did, or did not, sleep around for reviews, is at this stage irrelevant when you have two sides so utterly hell-bent of shutting up the other that the original conversation about sexism in games and women in these two industries have largely been lost. Look no further than twitter to witness the toxicity between the two.
I don't have a problem with the occasional Damsel in Distress plot-line. I do have a problem with it always being a Damsel. There's never a Dude in Distress. It reinforces the stereotype that men are heroes and women are victims.
And yeah, I meant Zoey Quinn (who dated a reporter who never reviewed her game). My bad. So many women in gaming have received horrible death and **** threats lately I get them mixed up.
And what about professional ethics? Examples? |
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