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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:57:00 -
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Hey everyone! As CCP Seagull mentioned in her coming in Oceanus dev blog, we're following up with Interceptors and Interdictors this release to apply some more polish.
The most significant bits in this set of Interceptor changes are the adjustments to the Crow and Malediction (which are a bit too good in their light missile configurations currently) and the Raptor (which has been struggling to meaningfully distinguish itself from the venerable Taranis).
One important module tweak that applies significantly to these ships (we'll be discussing it in more detail in an upcoming module balance blog) is that in Oceanus Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%.
Crow: Replace the 10% per level kinetic damage bonus with a 5% per level missile explosion radius bonus. -1 Lowslot +1 Highslot +1 Launcher +5 CPU
Malediction: Restrict the missile RoF bonus to only apply to Rocket Launchers -0.1 Inertia
Raptor: -1 Highslot +1 Midslot +5 CPU +51000 Mass +0.05 Inertia
Ares: Increase Small Hybrid tracking bonus from 7.5% to 10% per level -40000 Mass +0.1 Inertia +40 Capacitor +30s Capacitor Recharge Time
Stiletto: -10000 Mass
Taranis: -10000 Mass Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Klarion Sythis
Literally Solo
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Posted - 2014.09.17 22:59:00 -
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Whelp, time to sell my Maledictions. |
Belen Shields
Iskender Kebap Corp
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:04:00 -
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Decreasing the interia modifier of the malediction is a good feature. It should be More in line with the other inties. Cant sa+ƒ mich ab out the others, no EFT avaiable right now |
Suitonia
Eve is Easy.
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:07:00 -
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These seem like reasonable changes. Contributer to Eve is Easy:-á https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos
Check out my PvP Rifter guide for new players; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YReUNRTGcXo |
Dr Jihad Alhariri
Dr Jihad's School of Interstellar Terrorism Corrosive.
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:17:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:One important module tweak that applies significantly to these ships (we'll be discussing it in more detail in an upcoming module balance blog) is that in Oceanus Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%.
Does this RoF reduction include Rapid Light Missile Launchers? |
Liam Inkuras
Top Belt Heroes Black Rise Police Department
1273
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:20:00 -
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LML Alive in Serbia I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Ren Oren
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:24:00 -
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Long Crows
Short Mal's |
Gorski Car
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:26:00 -
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rip 4 speed mod + 3 speed rig lml maledictions. Those who will be sad shall not be named out of respect for their fitting skills. #GORSKI4CSM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4265138#post4265138
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:30:00 -
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Dr Jihad Alhariri wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:One important module tweak that applies significantly to these ships (we'll be discussing it in more detail in an upcoming module balance blog) is that in Oceanus Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%.
Does this RoF reduction include Rapid Light Missile Launchers?
No, just the frigate sized LMLs. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Omega Crendraven
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:31:00 -
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exodus you can live in the zoo now " REMOVE RLML remove rlml you are worst light missile, you are the missile idiot you are the missile smell. return to rubicon. to our hml cousins you may come our fitting. you may live in the hangarGǪ.ahahahaha" CCP Rise |
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God's Apples
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
430
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:32:00 -
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Raptor buff \o/ |
Liam Inkuras
Top Belt Heroes Black Rise Police Department
1273
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:33:00 -
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God's Apples wrote:Raptor buff \o/ Raptor no longer worse than Atron confirmed I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Capqu
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:34:00 -
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good crow changes imo, but it should get some fitting to compensate the dmg bonus turning into a launcher. it's good that it's being moved away from best at literally everything and thus ships like the stiletto as a 4 mid 3 low tackler might actually see use again
the malediction doesnt really need the rof nerf to lmls, i think a more appropriate change would be changing the bonus to damage/level instead of rof and slightly buffing rocket damage if you want people to actually use them
raptor changes are great, it was complete **** compared to the ranis but the 4th mid will probably make it viable in a lot of situations
ares changes idk, i really liked the initial version with split weapons and double damage bonuses to both
mass changes are irrelivant
when you say rof reduction, i assume you mean a dps decrease as lmls are pretty dominant in frigate/destroyer sized fleets - so it's reasonable.
4 stars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpMiT5qpyI |
Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:39:00 -
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Most of the changes aren't too bad, though with the nerf to LMLs i don't think the restriction on the malediction is needed. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
814
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:48:00 -
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when are you fixing light missiles, as you said you would about 2 years ago? |
Capqu
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
638
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Posted - 2014.09.17 23:51:00 -
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following up on why the malediction restriction really isn't needed:
http://puu.sh/bDlY8/7bdd0cf571.jpg current top ships on zkb
stiletto is even on the list despite it's current state but malediction is not. the lml nerf alone nerfs the ship enough if you really think it needs one, but honestly it isn't seeing widespread use for a reason. the range bonus on the crow is one of the reasons it excels and lacking it puts the malediction at a distinct disadvantage in a lot of situations. the tank bonus on the malediction is often irrelevant and the end result in restricting it would be a ship with half a bonus that never sees any use
i personally love the current malediction, and used to use it all the time to kill ratters with a friend - which would not be possible or even close to possible with rockets. the sole reason a crow could not do it was being locked into a damage type, which is going to be removed post patch. sure it's going to need creative fitting but the role will remain
the current malediction also does not overlap with the crow at all, the difference between a 30km range armor lml ceptor and a 60km shield lml ceptor is huge
it just feels like a change aimed at making rockets viable, as opposed to a tweak for the malediction - rockets currently are in a very bad state for this role in particular and i can't see the malediction being used with anything but 125mm gattling autos if this change went through. unless you are planning significant rocket fitting adjustments it just doesn't make sense to fit them over lmls and removing the lml bonus is not the solution to that problem
tldr plz dont nerf the malediction for no reason https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpMiT5qpyI |
Reagalan
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:00:00 -
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The crow change does not go nearly far enough, and by that I mean, it doesn't do what it needs to.
The problem with the crow and malediction is their extreme range. Not the dps, not the tank, not the mobility; it's the range that lets them kite all the other interceptors to death and practically everything else as well. It's the range that has driven them to the top.
The malediction fix (by applying its bonus only to rockets) is entirely reasonable and does do what it needs to, nerfs the range of the malediction. This should fix it.
This crow fix does not do that. This crow fix merely increases the amount of time needed for a crow to kill something. For some reason it has even gained a damage bonus against small targets, which will make this ship even higher on the interceptor ladder.
No changes to LMLs were needed (which also affect hawks and kestrels and other not-broken-at-all ships). No changes to the slot layout, none of this. The crow can be fixed by doing to it what was done with the malediction: make the bonus only apply to rockets.
That was all you needed to do. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:05:00 -
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whats the intended effect of reducing the mass on ares so (from my perspective) drastically comnpared to the rest? |
Capqu
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
639
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:09:00 -
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Reagalan wrote:The crow change does not go nearly far enough, and by that I mean, it doesn't do what it needs to.
The problem with the crow and malediction is their extreme range. Not the dps, not the tank, not the mobility; it's the range that lets them kite all the other interceptors to death and practically everything else as well. It's the range that has driven them to the top.
The malediction fix (by applying its bonus only to rockets) is entirely reasonable and does do what it needs to, nerfs the range of the malediction. This should fix it.
This crow fix does not do that. This crow fix merely increases the amount of time needed for a crow to kill something. For some reason it has even gained a damage bonus against small targets, which will make this ship even higher on the interceptor ladder.
No changes to LMLs were needed (which also affect hawks and kestrels and other not-broken-at-all ships). No changes to the slot layout, none of this. The crow can be fixed by doing to it what was done with the malediction: make the bonus only apply to rockets.
That was all you needed to do.
idk i think you're overestimating this whole "kite to death" ****
the raisin the crow is so overpowered is it's a stiletto (read: 4 mids, 3 lows) with 60km range the malediction is not in the same boat because it cannot fit the standard fleet tackle setup (mse, mwd, point, scram) and fitting a plate generally means gimping yourself in other ways (less nanos due to maux, guns instead of missiles etc). as a fleet ship the malediction can be strong sure but it is not format warping in the same way the crow is, as evidenced by killboards everywhere. being armor comes with inherent disadvantages but i won't go into that because i don't think its relevant to the malediction alone
crow needed nerfs because right now there is no reason to get into the old "king of tackle" aka the stiletto because it does literally the same things but also shoots 70 dps to 60km. the malediction does not have the same impact, and would be receiving the 6%~ rof nerf anyway. the restriction just seems heavy handed and like it's been thrown in with the crow, when it really doesn't deserve to be.
i agree with you about the crow and i think these (very significant) nerfs will go a long way. it loses a damage bonus, gains a useless high and loses a low. end result will be a much weaker, much slower ship with the advantage of 60km range - the stiletto can once again compete as king of tackle with its pathetic armaments and is a good tradeoff in terms of speed etc vs application https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpMiT5qpyI |
Legetus Shmoof Metallii
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:13:00 -
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Yay Raptor Buff! I always preferred it to the Crow anyways... but I'm a crazy man... up until now! |
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:13:00 -
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Capqu wrote:it just feels like a change aimed at making rockets viable...
Javs and you can barely hit a target in OH scramrange if it's not AB'ing to quickly. 13.5k scram cold with 10k navy rockets isn't cool either. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Capqu
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
639
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:14:00 -
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Legetus Shmoof Metallii wrote:Yay Raptor Buff! I always preferred it to the Crow anyways... but I'm a crazy man... up until now!
they're completely different ships with completely different roles and you shouldn't compare them directly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpMiT5qpyI |
t3hWarrior
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:23:00 -
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Why are the ceptors getting so many changes when the Ishtar is so overpowered and broken? |
MonkeyBusiness Thiesant
randomly named no tax corp v2
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:26:00 -
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Looking at the mass/inertia effects on align times, the only difference is to the Malediction. Currently it has 3.5 sec align, and to get under 3s you need to use a nano or a t2 low friction rig. Now you'll be able to get under 3s with a t2 polycarbon (which has +6.6% speed also, the low friction only adds agility). Helpful for some fits in freeing up a low.
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Kenneth Skybound
Gallifrey Resources
109
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:29:00 -
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The change to the crow addresses ENTIRELY the wrong aspect.
Their dps is low to begin with. That's not the issue.
Their fitting is in a good spot. That's not the issue.
Their range is unparalleled, spewing very applicable damage whilst being nigh untouchable. THAT is the issue.
No other interceptor weapon system allows such uncontestable damage, no regard for tracking (as there is none) and no regard for avoiding threats to the ship. While there exist some counters, they're nothing compared to the sheer range and control the crow has.
Swapping around the damage and fitting leads to a more difficult fit, but one that applies *even better*, whilst doing absolutely nothing about the ship's range and speed.
Please reconsider this change. Please reconsider why it is that crows are considered so overpowered. Their DPS and number of launchers certainly is not what people will reasonably quote. |
Capqu
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
642
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:41:00 -
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t3hWarrior wrote:Why are the ceptors getting so many changes when the Ishtar is so overpowered and broken?
this is a very good question
why isn't the crow getting a 2.5% per level nerf? would solve everything right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpMiT5qpyI |
BadAssMcKill
ElitistOps
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:46:00 -
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What's the point of an application bonus to a weapons system that applies perfectly to everything . |
Liam Inkuras
Top Belt Heroes Black Rise Police Department
1274
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:49:00 -
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BadAssMcKill wrote:What's the point of an application bonus to a weapons system that applies perfectly to everything Rage rockets vs. other frigs I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
Lumpymayo
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
94
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Posted - 2014.09.18 00:52:00 -
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The only use the Raptor had was that it could be fitted as a travel interceptor. Caldari no longer have a travel interceptor option. Time to train a Taranis and reprocess all my Raptors. |
Suitonia
Eve is Easy.
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Posted - 2014.09.18 01:01:00 -
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Are you kidding? The Raptor will be a very good brawl interceptor now with 4 mids. Contributer to Eve is Easy:-á https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos
Check out my PvP Rifter guide for new players; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YReUNRTGcXo |
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