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Nico Laitanen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:30:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Nico Laitanen wrote:I thought the whole point of doing smaller updates at a higher frequency was to avoid crap changes like nerfing a whole weapon system as it applies to one type of ship, with blatant disregard to how it effectively breaks other ships that use the same?
The feedback has been overwhelmingly negative. I suppose the changes could have been modified before the release, had the notes on this been published more than a week and change before the release date. But, I suppose that's not your fault, either. That's assuming, of course, that you read or care what's in these forums in the first place. of course the feedback has been overwhelmingly negative, it's a nerf that doesn't mean that they should change it
Point taken
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
440
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:34:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:John Bloodryder wrote:Well CCP has tried to fix something again, and again it screws me over..... looks like i have to train another racial frig to 5. Making the raptor slower really irks me. Now caldari interceptors are kind of useless in 0.0. THANKS CCP
the crow is retaining its 60km light missiles and thanks to the addition of a fourth launcher is not experiencing a significant loss of DPS with the removal of its kinetic misl bonus so I think you're probably fine Try fitting that fourth hardpoint with a LML without an increase in grid. These changes will kill LML crows because they will need a fitting mod just to fit a full rack of launchers, an MWD, and a point. Basically, they're turning the Crow into a rocket 'ceptor without being obvious about it. if only there was a mod that added a huge amount of grid to a frigate, outsized compared to its existing power grid
it'd be some sort of power core
since it's not the normal core it'd have to be an auxiliary core
and since it goes on a frigate I guess it'd have to be pretty small, like micro sized compared to other power cores |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:38:00 -
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I don't see the point of the Raptor balance, imo it's still inferior to the Taranis and it even got nerfed in terms of versatility by removing the utility slot (you know, the one for the prober/cloak ). I hope at least my taxi-fit still works I'm my own NPC alt. |
Feyrin
Unforeseen Consequences. The Unthinkables
31
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:38:00 -
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Just wow at this thread so far. The level of rage and entitlement on display are amazing. Let get this in perspective. Your LML complainers, its a 6% RoF reduction. Its a very small change. Grow up. LML project further with similar dps and better application than the other LR small weapons this isnt going to change that. To your crow whiners the changes mean you cant have range tank and speed all at the same time without compromising dps. This is balance, this is choices with meaning.
Please also remember that the module dev post isnt out yet and some of the mods being balanced like micro aux power cores are key on these ships until you have the full picture commenting further is premature. |
Martek Renalard
hirr Northern Coalition.
14
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:39:00 -
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Just remove ranged dps from all interceptors. |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
3813
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:41:00 -
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Push back implementation until Phoebe. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
440
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:42:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Push back implementation until Phoebe. why, this doesn't solve anything |
Ravcharas
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
349
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:43:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Push back implementation until Phoebe. Please, show some respect. It's Princess Consuela Bananahammock. |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
895
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:46:00 -
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we could rather do with that missile rebalance/ adding missile mods ..
- light missiles range is too good needs a nerf - HAMS range is too good needs a nerf - rockets range is too good needs a nerf - cruise missiles range is too good needs a nerf
but application could be better on HAMS/ rockets/torpedoes or maybe slight damage buff Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
247
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:47:00 -
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Kuhal wrote:Have to say that I'm not a big fan of an overall nerf to LML.
This hurts far more ships than just the Crow. The Talwar, Corax, Hawk, and Hookbill are all going to take a hit on this and none of them are considered too powerful; while the LML weapon system was strong it wasn't game-breaking. This is really just another slap in the face to anyone with SP in missiles.
This game is becoming Drones Online faster and faster.
Yup!
Drones are already a disgusting weapon system, and here goes CCP smashing missiles with a nerfbat again.
Meanwhile, the Ishtar hordes are still running rampant across Eve.
Calling CCP inept is putting it very nicely. |
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Bronson Hughes
Prophets of Fear
432
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:48:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:John Bloodryder wrote:Well CCP has tried to fix something again, and again it screws me over..... looks like i have to train another racial frig to 5. Making the raptor slower really irks me. Now caldari interceptors are kind of useless in 0.0. THANKS CCP
the crow is retaining its 60km light missiles and thanks to the addition of a fourth launcher is not experiencing a significant loss of DPS with the removal of its kinetic misl bonus so I think you're probably fine Try fitting that fourth hardpoint with a LML without an increase in grid. These changes will kill LML crows because they will need a fitting mod just to fit a full rack of launchers, an MWD, and a point. Basically, they're turning the Crow into a rocket 'ceptor without being obvious about it. if only there was a mod that added a huge amount of grid to a frigate, outsized compared to its existing power grid it'd be some sort of power core since it's not the normal core it'd have to be an auxiliary core and since it goes on a frigate I guess it'd have to be pretty small, like micro sized compared to other power cores Yes, and with that MAPC eating up half of your two available low slots just to mount a full rack of launchers, good luck achieving enough mobility to be remotely effective as a fast tackler. And with that full rack of launchers now having no damage bonus (-50% damage), and a 6% reduced RoF, good luck getting anything close to the kind of damage output you had before even with an extra launcher.
If only you had enough low slots to fit an MAPC, a speed mod, and a damage mod....
Or, you could suck it up, fit rockets, and take advantage of the application bonus to murder drones that get sent after you while you tackle something from 28-30km while going fast enough to actually function. But hey, your call. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
441
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:50:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: if only there was a mod that added a huge amount of grid to a frigate, outsized compared to its existing power grid
it'd be some sort of power core
since it's not the normal core it'd have to be an auxiliary core
and since it goes on a frigate I guess it'd have to be pretty small, like micro sized compared to other power cores
Yes, and with that MAPC eating up half of your two available low slots just to mount a full rack of launchers, good luck achieving enough mobility to be remotely effective as a fast tackler. And with that full rack of launchers now having no damage bonus (-50% damage), and a 6% reduced RoF, good luck getting anything close to the kind of damage output you had before even with an extra launcher. If only you had enough low slots to fit an MAPC, a speed mod, and a damage mod.... Or, you could suck it up, fit rockets, and take advantage of the application bonus to murder drones that get sent after you while you tackle something from 28-30km while going fast enough to actually function. But hey, your call. rigs
also, maybe the point is that the crow isn't supposed to have both uncatchable align and decent damage at the same time?? gee willikers |
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
81
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:51:00 -
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Why don't you just give Crows and Maledictions the same minus 30-50% flight time -treatment- as Mordus legion ships instead? Bam, range problems fixed and the ships still maintain the ability to do actual damage, just with an added risk to it. Crows were never bottlenecked by explosion radius at all and Maledictons aren't made for brawling. Overnerfing things and adding random and useless bonuses to the hulls aren't going to balance anything.
In the end people are just going to ignore those bonuses and still use LMLs because the core issues are not fixed. .. |
Goldensaver
Lom Corporation Brothers of Tangra
406
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:52:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:John Bloodryder wrote:Well CCP has tried to fix something again, and again it screws me over..... looks like i have to train another racial frig to 5. Making the raptor slower really irks me. Now caldari interceptors are kind of useless in 0.0. THANKS CCP
the crow is retaining its 60km light missiles and thanks to the addition of a fourth launcher is not experiencing a significant loss of DPS with the removal of its kinetic misl bonus so I think you're probably fine Try fitting that fourth hardpoint with a LML without an increase in grid. These changes will kill LML crows because they will need a fitting mod just to fit a full rack of launchers, an MWD, and a point. Basically, they're turning the Crow into a rocket 'ceptor without being obvious about it. if only there was a mod that added a huge amount of grid to a frigate, outsized compared to its existing power grid it'd be some sort of power core since it's not the normal core it'd have to be an auxiliary core and since it goes on a frigate I guess it'd have to be pretty small, like micro sized compared to other power cores Now, I'm not heartbroken because the Crow was actually broken. But in fairness to this, I was already running an MAPC on my Crows and the grid was a tight fit. Trying to cram in an extra launcher without a PG buff is going to be impossible. This is not even mentioning the loss of the low slot and the effect that's going to have.
Still, it'll be nice to see other 'Ceptors and ships. Now if only we could see something like this for the Ishtar. |
Kuhal
The Circus Corp Intrepid Crossing
1
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:58:00 -
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Feyrin wrote: Let get this in perspective. Your LML complainers, its a 6% RoF reduction. Its a very small change.
That's at least a 6% damage nerf to an entire weapon system. That isn't a tiny change. If sentry drones saw a 6% damage hit, such as on rate of fire, you would see people screaming from rooftops before hurling themselves off. A change to an entire weapon system is always a big consideration.
LML aren't broken on things like the Talwar and Corax which already are overshadowed by other destroyers like the Algos (drones), Catalyst (hybrid), and Thrasher (projectile).
Waiting for the entire perspective is probably a good idea, but it's doubtful any of it will change that this is a substantial nerf to a weapon system enjoyed by many non-OP ships. |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
247
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:59:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:John Bloodryder wrote:Well CCP has tried to fix something again, and again it screws me over..... looks like i have to train another racial frig to 5. Making the raptor slower really irks me. Now caldari interceptors are kind of useless in 0.0. THANKS CCP
the crow is retaining its 60km light missiles and thanks to the addition of a fourth launcher is not experiencing a significant loss of DPS with the removal of its kinetic misl bonus so I think you're probably fine Try fitting that fourth hardpoint with a LML without an increase in grid. These changes will kill LML crows because they will need a fitting mod just to fit a full rack of launchers, an MWD, and a point. Basically, they're turning the Crow into a rocket 'ceptor without being obvious about it. if only there was a mod that added a huge amount of grid to a frigate, outsized compared to its existing power grid it'd be some sort of power core since it's not the normal core it'd have to be an auxiliary core and since it goes on a frigate I guess it'd have to be pretty small, like micro sized compared to other power cores
You already have to do that to get 3 launchers and an MSE on there....
Do you actually fly the Crow, or just needlessly attack those with valid points?
Educate yourself, woman. |
Bronson Hughes
Prophets of Fear
432
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:00:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: if only there was a mod that added a huge amount of grid to a frigate, outsized compared to its existing power grid
it'd be some sort of power core
since it's not the normal core it'd have to be an auxiliary core
and since it goes on a frigate I guess it'd have to be pretty small, like micro sized compared to other power cores
Yes, and with that MAPC eating up half of your two available low slots just to mount a full rack of launchers, good luck achieving enough mobility to be remotely effective as a fast tackler. And with that full rack of launchers now having no damage bonus (-50% damage), and a 6% reduced RoF, good luck getting anything close to the kind of damage output you had before even with an extra launcher. If only you had enough low slots to fit an MAPC, a speed mod, and a damage mod.... Or, you could suck it up, fit rockets, and take advantage of the application bonus to murder drones that get sent after you while you tackle something from 28-30km while going fast enough to actually function. But hey, your call. rigs also, maybe the point is that the crow isn't supposed to have both uncatchable align and decent damage at the same time?? gee willikers This is actually my point precisely. The Crow won't be able to do everything anymore, and I think this is a very good thing. This is why I'm saying that the new Crow will function best with rockets instead of LMLs because it is better served with mobility than DPS. With enough mids to fit a web and a bonus to explosion radius, a new Crow fit with rockets will make a fabulous drone killer in addition to a good fleet tackler.
People have been complaining in this thread about Drones Online when CCP just handed us a fabulous tool to fight them.
Adapt people. Adapt. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
247
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:00:00 -
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Feyrin wrote:Just wow at this thread so far. The level of rage and entitlement on display are amazing. Let get this in perspective. Your LML complainers, its a 6% RoF reduction. Its a very small change. Grow up. LML project further with similar dps and better application than the other LR small weapons this isnt going to change that. To your crow whiners the changes mean you cant have range tank and speed all at the same time without compromising dps. This is balance, this is choices with meaning.
Please also remember that the module dev post isnt out yet and some of the mods being balanced like micro aux power cores are key on these ships until you have the full picture commenting further is premature.
Please tell me where the Isthar compromises.
Oh you can't?
Funny. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
442
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:09:00 -
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Phaade wrote:You already have to do that to get 3 launchers and an MSE on there....
Do you actually fly the Crow, or just needlessly attack those with valid points?
Educate yourself, woman. now you may have to compromise a bit to get everything you want
just like every other non-LML interceptor |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
442
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:31:00 -
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here, a buddy of mine got me an updated EFT for these changes so I went ahead and made some fits so y'all can see the difference
http://imgur.com/a/4wi8k
LML, MSE, point, EM ward amp, grid stuff, and filled out the rest with align
you lose 0.4s align and 14 dps going to oceanus
horror of horrors |
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
802
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:32:00 -
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Phaade wrote:Feyrin wrote:Just wow at this thread so far. The level of rage and entitlement on display are amazing. Let get this in perspective. Your LML complainers, its a 6% RoF reduction. Its a very small change. Grow up. LML project further with similar dps and better application than the other LR small weapons this isnt going to change that. To your crow whiners the changes mean you cant have range tank and speed all at the same time without compromising dps. This is balance, this is choices with meaning.
Please also remember that the module dev post isnt out yet and some of the mods being balanced like micro aux power cores are key on these ships until you have the full picture commenting further is premature. Please tell me where the Isthar compromises. Oh you can't? Funny. i think the only person who doesn't agree the ishtar needs some heavier nerfing asap is rise |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
442
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:33:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Phaade wrote:Feyrin wrote:Just wow at this thread so far. The level of rage and entitlement on display are amazing. Let get this in perspective. Your LML complainers, its a 6% RoF reduction. Its a very small change. Grow up. LML project further with similar dps and better application than the other LR small weapons this isnt going to change that. To your crow whiners the changes mean you cant have range tank and speed all at the same time without compromising dps. This is balance, this is choices with meaning.
Please also remember that the module dev post isnt out yet and some of the mods being balanced like micro aux power cores are key on these ships until you have the full picture commenting further is premature. Please tell me where the Isthar compromises. Oh you can't? Funny. i think the only person who doesn't agree the ishtar needs some heavier nerfing asap is rise remember, sentries have enormous downs |
RomeStar
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
525
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:38:00 -
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Grenouielle wrote:There are people out there flying rocket Crows. Just saying.
And they are fail. Just saying. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |
Kuhal
The Circus Corp Intrepid Crossing
1
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:50:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote: you lose 0.4s align and 14 dps going to oceanus
horror of horrors
That's a huge DPS nerf, 16% nerf to DPS. That's substantial.
.4s align isn't that big, but it's still pushing the ship further from the important 2s mark so isn't something to be ignored.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
820
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:52:00 -
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Raptors finally not being useless \o/
Crow changes depends on how the fitting will work, because what gets lost in paper dps (after the fourth launcher) might get buffered by the explosion radius bonus, both on navy and fury lights. It certainly isn't the end of day.
Light missile blanket nerf doesn't convince me.There are certain ships (They shall not be named) that are very powerful with LMLs, whereas others are already subpar, especially the two destroyers, and will get an unnecessary hit.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
ArmyOfMe
Origin. Black Legion.
307
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:54:00 -
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Honestly, i dont mind any of these changes at all, but could you for the love of god actually focus some bloody effort on fixing the claw? At least try and make it usefull for something other then beeing a expensive shuttle. QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
802
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:55:00 -
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Kuhal wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: you lose 0.4s align and 14 dps going to oceanus
horror of horrors
That's a huge DPS nerf, 16% nerf to DPS. That's substantial. .4s align isn't that big, but it's still pushing the ship further from the important 2s mark so isn't something to be ignored. no ship should be under the 2s mark |
Torei Dutalis
IceBox Inc. Lasers Are Magic
14
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:58:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:here, a buddy of mine got me an updated EFT for these changes so I went ahead and made some fits so y'all can see the difference http://imgur.com/a/4wi8kLML, MSE, point, EM ward amp, grid stuff, and filled out the rest with align you lose 0.4s align and 14 dps going to oceanus horror of horrors
I'm sure more fits could reinforce this point, but yes, percentages aside, I believe the crow is still going to be doing the exact same thing it was before. I don't know if the same can be said for the malediction though. This of course begs the question of, what is the point of this nerf even? Instead of maledictions and crows it will just be crows. Let's not kid ourselves about the idea of rockets on the malediction, nobody wants to do that, and in fact, people will likely still fit light missiles despite the MASSIVE reduction in efficacy they will be experiencing on the ship.
I also think that the proposed light missile nerf should also be addressed here, everywhere, and as much as possible as it effects many ships that are, at least in my opinion, nowhere near problem ships. For those of you that feel like 6% is a inconsequential number, that's the equivalent of 2 levels of rapid launch, i.e. very significant. |
Novacrow
Blue Tridents Sev3rance
13
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:58:00 -
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Crow Nerf - Doesn't address the issue
Malediction - Won't fly. For it's range it simply is not worth using with rockets with the damage it gets. I would use a taranis instead.
Crusader - Still sucks. |
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises The Marmite Collective
90
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:04:00 -
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Falah Louvre wrote:Hey Fozzie,
Heres a thought, how about you remove the immunity to interdiction bubbles from interceptors because it makes them nearly impossible to catch? Honestly, who thought that was a good idea? It's not like interceptors had a hard time burning out of bubbles before you added that. These changes are meaningless until you fix that mess.
Verifying the Obvious. Not to mention that due to insane agility/align time, Interceptors enter Warp before the gate cloak comes off completely, giving Zero chance to lock them. But no, that can't possibly be OP. Leave the instawarps to Pods and ultra fast align->warp to shuttles. Give the Bubble Immunity to Interdictors, cause well, that should have been an obvious choice perk for that ship class verse the interceptor. eëÆWhomever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my AutocannonseëÆ eÉà |
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