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Grenouielle
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:22:00 -
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RomeStar wrote:Grenouielle wrote:There are people out there flying rocket Crows. Just saying. And they are fail. Just saying.
You not beeing able to fly them properly doesn-¦t make them fail. |
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises The Marmite Collective
90
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:33:00 -
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Shizoku Tian wrote:As someone who catches interceptor on a daily base i think the ships and there bonuses are not that much of a problem, of course a buff for the less used ones is good.
The real problem in my opinion is that its impossible to catch interceptors when they do fleetwarps and are fitted for max agility. You can and will get them alone, but because of serverlag its impossible to catch them if they fleetwarp....CCP should not nerf maleditions. I like how they kill all the AFK-Ratters =P (and get all the loot when we catch them ;) )
Don't confuse catching dumb pilots, with being able to catch instawarp interceptors. Even with 4000+ scan res, you can't catch a decent interceptor pilot on gate that just wants to blow through your camp. I've rolled through a number of camps in Null with an interceptor SOLO, with ZERO worry. I'm well into warp before cloak even begins to dissipate... Laughing all the way with my loot. CCP might as well name all interceptors "The Gingerbread Man." eëÆWhomever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my AutocannonseëÆ eÉà |
Black Ambulance
5
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:33:00 -
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Well , time to un-sub again , and re-sub when they are buffed back.
+5 cpu for a launcher is a ******** joke.
o7 |
Krystyn
Serenity Rising LLC Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
185
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:37:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone! As CCP Seagull mentioned in her coming in Oceanus dev blog, we're following up with Interceptors and Interdictors this release to apply some more polish. The most significant bits in this set of Interceptor changes are the adjustments to the Crow and Malediction (which are a bit too good in their light missile configurations currently) and the Raptor (which has been struggling to meaningfully distinguish itself from the venerable Taranis). Stiletto:-10000 Mass Taranis:-10000 Mass
Why are they getting faster? The Taranis is already FAR AND AWAY the highest DPS ceptor and its going to move faster wtf! |
Alenn G'kar
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
6
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:38:00 -
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Goonies lost too much off their Shitstars by Maledictions, time to nerf. |
Black Ambulance
5
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:40:00 -
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Alenn G'kar wrote:Goonies lost too much off their Shitstars by Maledictions, time to nerf.
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:49:00 -
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Krystyn wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone! As CCP Seagull mentioned in her coming in Oceanus dev blog, we're following up with Interceptors and Interdictors this release to apply some more polish. The most significant bits in this set of Interceptor changes are the adjustments to the Crow and Malediction (which are a bit too good in their light missile configurations currently) and the Raptor (which has been struggling to meaningfully distinguish itself from the venerable Taranis). Stiletto:-10000 Mass Taranis:-10000 Mass Why are they getting faster? The Taranis is already FAR AND AWAY the highest DPS ceptor and its going to move faster wtf!
Because blaster ranis has to be on top of its target to do damage, putting it at risk of neut/web. So it stands to reason, it should be faster than other ceptors that have range and can avoid web/neut. |
Krystyn
Serenity Rising LLC Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
185
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:50:00 -
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Novacrow wrote:Crow Nerf - Doesn't address the issue
Malediction - Won't fly. For it's range it simply is not worth using with rockets with the damage it gets. I would use a taranis instead.
Crusader - Still sucks.
My maledictions are going to gather dust with rockets as they will suck compared to taranises then. how does mabye 70-80 dps from rockets compared to double that from blasters and the taranis has drones as well.
I don't see how they are so good with light missiles I only get 49 dps with faction missiles I need two volleys to kill a friggin pod even. They are fast tackle that's what they are supposed to do--tackle things quickly. I need help to kill stuff.
Well maybe I will just skip any sort or guns or launchers...kinda silly but no one ever thought CCP made much sense with most of their fixes. Dual prop maledictions since you wont need grid for launchers anymore
The raptor just plain sucks they could buff that and I doubt anyone would complain. Crusader could use a little love too |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:53:00 -
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So the Garmur is now the only frigate to benefit from the LML ludicrious range. Nerf it please. |
Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:56:00 -
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Raptor buff looks promising, now with a web/mse/scram and 2 MFS it will get 5k EHP and over 200dps with blasters.. plus with null you can scram kite with around 170dps. Very promising indeed. |
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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
248
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:59:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:here, a buddy of mine got me an updated EFT for these changes so I went ahead and made some fits so y'all can see the difference http://imgur.com/a/4wi8kLML, MSE, point, EM ward amp, grid stuff, and filled out the rest with align you lose 0.4s align and 14 dps going to oceanus horror of horrors
You fit inertia stabilizers and an em ward field.....
Credibility lost. |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
249
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:02:00 -
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Krystyn wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone! As CCP Seagull mentioned in her coming in Oceanus dev blog, we're following up with Interceptors and Interdictors this release to apply some more polish. The most significant bits in this set of Interceptor changes are the adjustments to the Crow and Malediction (which are a bit too good in their light missile configurations currently) and the Raptor (which has been struggling to meaningfully distinguish itself from the venerable Taranis). Stiletto:-10000 Mass Taranis:-10000 Mass Why are they getting faster? The Taranis is already FAR AND AWAY the highest DPS ceptor and its going to move faster wtf!
It's Gallente...something something CCP boner.... something something should be the best.
Gallente have the best ships in the game far and away, generally speaking. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
445
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:30:00 -
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Phaade wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:here, a buddy of mine got me an updated EFT for these changes so I went ahead and made some fits so y'all can see the difference http://imgur.com/a/4wi8kLML, MSE, point, EM ward amp, grid stuff, and filled out the rest with align you lose 0.4s align and 14 dps going to oceanus horror of horrors You fit inertia stabilizers and an em ward field..... Credibility lost. you don't really understand how interceptors are actually used in TYOOL 2014 do you |
Arc Tander
Lom Corporation Brothers of Tangra
0
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:41:00 -
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To answer this rebalance thread we have to ask what function does an interceptor play.
In null it is almost exclusively seen as a point ship for a fleet, designed to quickly get into system, identify a target and hold it down. Damage application is irrelevant so all the balance changes regarding damage application are mostly meaningless.
The elephant in the room is that to fulfill this function, does it really need ALL of the below: Warp Bubble Immunity Incredible warp speed 5000m/s + sub warp speed Incredible agility enabling full speed orbits within point range and sub 2 seconds warp from gate Bonus to point range
Taken together all this does is breed the behaviour of get through bubble, land on a Horde or Sanctum, point whatever is there, burn out to 25/30k and orbit at 5000m/s and WAIT with zero risk as once this is done there are very few counters for the prey. Light drones have difficulty keeping up, as do EW drones, and gunnery/heavy missiles won't track or apply damage.
The only escape is help from blues, however they are in a race against time as the enemy fleet will only be a jump behind.
CCP Fozzie, I would say you are tinkering with the mouse in the corner and ignoring the elephant in the room that is standing on the nuts of a large subset of Eve players.
An interceptor can be in system, at a site and lock down a ship that was in warp BEFORE the Interceptor pilot entered the system, which means that the 'risk vs reward' calculation is pointless, and by the time larger ships can even lock up the Interceptor to assign drones to attack it, the enemy fleet is there.
A proper rebalance of interceptors (vs other platforms, and tbh what I was hoping for) would be one or more of: 1) Remove Bubble Immunity - let's face it, at 5000m/s getting through bubbles isn't a problem. 2) Remove point range bonus to prevent extreme range kiting, thus giving Light Drones a chance to catch the Interceptor to attempt to destroy/defield it. 3) Reduce sub warp velocity/agility to prevent extreme range orbiting to enable the same effect.
Any other changes to Interceptors are frankly meaningless. |
Black Ambulance
5
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:47:00 -
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Arc Tander wrote:To answer this rebalance thread we have to ask what function does an interceptor play.
In null it is almost exclusively seen as a point ship for a fleet, designed to quickly get into system, identify a target and hold it down. Damage application is irrelevant so all the balance changes regarding damage application are mostly meaningless.
The elephant in the room is that to fulfill this function, does it really need ALL of the below: Warp Bubble Immunity Incredible warp speed 5000m/s + sub warp speed Incredible agility enabling full speed orbits within point range and sub 2 seconds warp from gate Bonus to point range
Taken together all this does is breed the behaviour of get through bubble, land on a Horde or Sanctum, point whatever is there, burn out to 25/30k and orbit at 5000m/s and WAIT with zero risk as once this is done there are very few counters for the prey. Light drones have difficulty keeping up, as do EW drones, and gunnery/heavy missiles won't track or apply damage.
The only escape is help from blues, however they are in a race against time as the enemy fleet will only be a jump behind.
CCP Fozzie, I would say you are tinkering with the mouse in the corner and ignoring the elephant in the room that is standing on the nuts of a large subset of Eve players.
An interceptor can be in system, at a site and lock down a ship that was in warp BEFORE the Interceptor pilot entered the system, which means that the 'risk vs reward' calculation is pointless, and by the time larger ships can even lock up the Interceptor to assign drones to attack it, the enemy fleet is there.
A proper rebalance of interceptors (vs other platforms, and tbh what I was hoping for) would be one or more of: 1) Remove Bubble Immunity - let's face it, at 5000m/s getting through bubbles isn't a problem. 2) Remove point range bonus to prevent extreme range kiting, thus giving Light Drones a chance to catch the Interceptor to attempt to destroy/defield it. 3) Reduce sub warp velocity/agility to prevent extreme range orbiting to enable the same effect.
Any other changes to Interceptors are frankly meaningless.
here we go , renters crying because they lost many ships to ceptors.
RIP
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Ehud Gera
Heart of Pyerite Imperial Outlaws.
8
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:48:00 -
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Altrue wrote: How can you ever dare to nerf the ishtar so little and then go full.. full ANGRY on the interceptors, one of the more fun ship class to play.
Its a frigate god damit, nobody cares if its slightly more powered than you'd like it to be, it cannot stand against most ships anyway (including drones), and a single damp will usually ruin its life. What's the point of all this? Make sure people don't enjoy too much flying interceptors because they'd realize how boring other ships are to fly?
Really, really dissapointed on this one.
This^
Sure nerf the crow a bit, but the malediction? You're already nerfing it with lml changes. Crusader??? Any thoughts on that incredibly underused ship?
And for pities sake, NERF DRONES before LML's.
Also, Fozzie... I always hear that CCP responds to its player base and their concerns, but i have yet to see a dev comment on any of the recent changes that have been widely unpopular:
-Ishtar "nerf" -Frigate PermaWH's -These changes to inty's
I thought CCP cared what we thought... its one of the aspects that attracted me to the game. I'm starting to think the Gallente have CCP in their pocket. Lulz. But seriously...
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
interstellar initiative Incorporated
277
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:51:00 -
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Ehud Gera wrote:Altrue wrote: How can you ever dare to nerf the ishtar so little and then go full.. full ANGRY on the interceptors, one of the more fun ship class to play.
Its a frigate god damit, nobody cares if its slightly more powered than you'd like it to be, it cannot stand against most ships anyway (including drones), and a single damp will usually ruin its life. What's the point of all this? Make sure people don't enjoy too much flying interceptors because they'd realize how boring other ships are to fly?
Really, really dissapointed on this one.
This^ Sure nerf the crow a bit, but the malediction? You're already nerfing it with lml changes. Crusader??? Any thoughts on that incredibly underused ship? And for pities sake, NERF DRONES before LML's. Also, Fozzie... I always hear that CCP responds to its player base and their concerns, but i have yet to see a dev comment on any of the recent changes that have been widely unpopular: -Ishtar "nerf" -Frigate PermaWH's -These changes to inty's I thought CCP cared what we thought... its one of the aspects that attracted me to the game. I'm starting to think the Goons have CCP in their pocket. Lulz. But seriously... FTFY |
Ehud Gera
Heart of Pyerite Imperial Outlaws.
8
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:55:00 -
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Thanks scorch. :P |
elitatwo
Congregatio
302
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:57:00 -
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Arc Tander wrote: -snipp- Taken together all this does is breed the behaviour of get through bubble, land on a Horde or Sanctum, point whatever is there, burn out to 25/30k and orbit at 5000m/s and WAIT with zero risk as once this is done there are very few counters for the prey. Light drones have difficulty keeping up, as do EW drones, and gunnery/heavy missiles won't track or apply damage.
I don't fly interceptors but please do exactly that and see what happens 10 seconds later in that complex... signature |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:58:00 -
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Ehud Gera wrote:Altrue wrote: How can you ever dare to nerf the ishtar so little and then go full.. full ANGRY on the interceptors, one of the more fun ship class to play.
Its a frigate god damit, nobody cares if its slightly more powered than you'd like it to be, it cannot stand against most ships anyway (including drones), and a single damp will usually ruin its life. What's the point of all this? Make sure people don't enjoy too much flying interceptors because they'd realize how boring other ships are to fly?
Really, really dissapointed on this one.
This^ Sure nerf the crow a bit, but the malediction? You're already nerfing it with lml changes. Crusader??? Any thoughts on that incredibly underused ship? And for pities sake, NERF DRONES before LML's. Also, Fozzie... I always hear that CCP responds to its player base and their concerns, but i have yet to see a dev comment on any of the recent changes that have been widely unpopular: -Ishtar "nerf" -Frigate PermaWH's -These changes to inty's I thought CCP cared what we thought... its one of the aspects that attracted me to the game. I'm starting to think the Gallente have CCP in their pocket. Lulz. But seriously...
Fun fact: Currently, a Malediction with IV/V skills mixed and MWD on and agility fit is untouchable by light scout drones when holding a LM kite distance orbit. They also OUTRUN the light missiles themselves, unless you are flying a Garmur. You can't web, point or scram them unless you are flying a Recon cruiser, an Electronic Attack Ship or some other warp disruption bonused ship at those ranges. They can get in a fight without committing to the fight itself, and they are nigh uncatchable with ANY scan resolution on gates due to <2.0 s align time.
Don't tell for a second that this was not OP. Nobody will take you seriously. Malediction required a nerf, fair and square.
What sensible people object to here are the nerf to LMs themselves. |
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
interstellar initiative Incorporated
278
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:59:00 -
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Any time buddy. On a slightly more serious note, anyone know anything about the reasoning behind the surprise LML nerf? Because that has me a bit angry |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
3817
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:01:00 -
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:On a slightly more serious note, anyone know anything about the reasoning behind the surprise LML nerf? Because that has me a bit angry You mean the same reason any missile nerf is announced at the last possible minute? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
250
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:02:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Phaade wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:here, a buddy of mine got me an updated EFT for these changes so I went ahead and made some fits so y'all can see the difference http://imgur.com/a/4wi8kLML, MSE, point, EM ward amp, grid stuff, and filled out the rest with align you lose 0.4s align and 14 dps going to oceanus horror of horrors You fit inertia stabilizers and an em ward field..... Credibility lost. you don't really understand how interceptors are actually used in TYOOL 2014 do you
Haha okay man, you go ahead and bloom your sig without increasing your speed.
I'm sure the 30% em resist on your shield is equally vital. |
Feyrin
Unforeseen Consequences. The Unthinkables
32
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:04:00 -
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Could we try and keep the discussion on topic, this isn't the have a cry about the Ishtar thread, plenty of those already around its the discuss the proposed interceptor changes thread to provide feedback. I think the biggest question is what about the claw and crusader, both very much unloved and no proposed changes? |
Bronson Hughes
Prophets of Fear
433
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:08:00 -
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Phaade wrote:Haha okay man, you go ahead and bloom your sig without increasing your speed.
I'm sure the 30% em resist on your shield is equally vital. In a fit that slow against the recently buffed Acolyte IIs, EM resist is actually quite valuable.
Now, on a proper speed fit? Not nearly as useful because Aco IIs can't catch you. Incidentally, said proper speed fit will be impossible to pull off with only two lows, so that EM resist will likely become more useful going forward.
Agree re: iStabs though. Low sig is life on a 'ceptor, you don't want to raise it unless it comes with a hefty upside. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
445
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:09:00 -
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Phaade wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Phaade wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:here, a buddy of mine got me an updated EFT for these changes so I went ahead and made some fits so y'all can see the difference http://imgur.com/a/4wi8kLML, MSE, point, EM ward amp, grid stuff, and filled out the rest with align you lose 0.4s align and 14 dps going to oceanus horror of horrors You fit inertia stabilizers and an em ward field..... Credibility lost. you don't really understand how interceptors are actually used in TYOOL 2014 do you Haha okay man, you go ahead and bloom your sig without increasing your speed. I'm sure the 30% em resist on your shield is equally vital.
em ward amps give 32.5%/37.5% (named/T2), and benefit from em shield compensation without bloating your sig
you are thinking of rigs that are 30% and bloat your sig
and you can't use an em ward field without going cap unstable (also it takes a lot more CPU)
also here is the big secret wrt interceptors
if your align is under 2 seconds
you can't be targeted on a gate, ever
your sig can be infinitely large and it won't matter because the mechanics of the game prevent you from ever being targeted
also the sig bloom you are receiving is just not that big of a deal -- base sig at all fives is 90, with 1/2 istabs it goes to 98.6/105 while you are going nearly 4000 m/s
i get that you like to repeat what you read on the goonswarm federation wiki mirror you found on google but there's actually a little more nuance in this game than that |
Arc Tander
Lom Corporation Brothers of Tangra
0
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:10:00 -
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elitatwo wrote:Arc Tander wrote: -snipp- Taken together all this does is breed the behaviour of get through bubble, land on a Horde or Sanctum, point whatever is there, burn out to 25/30k and orbit at 5000m/s and WAIT with zero risk as once this is done there are very few counters for the prey. Light drones have difficulty keeping up, as do EW drones, and gunnery/heavy missiles won't track or apply damage.
I don't fly interceptors but please do exactly that and see what happens 10 seconds later in that complex...
Yep. Just tried it. Nothing happened. Got bored orbiting a friend of mine after five minutes without a single shot at me. |
Arc Tander
Lom Corporation Brothers of Tangra
0
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:14:00 -
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A proper rebalance of interceptors (vs other platforms, and tbh what I was hoping for) would be one or more of: 1) Remove Bubble Immunity - let's face it, at 5000m/s getting through bubbles isn't a problem. 2) Remove point range bonus to prevent extreme range kiting, thus giving Light Drones a chance to catch the Interceptor to attempt to destroy/defield it. 3) Reduce sub warp velocity/agility to prevent extreme range orbiting to enable the same effect.
Any other changes to Interceptors are frankly meaningless.[/quote]
here we go , renters crying because they lost many ships to ceptors.
RIP [/quote]
Um - no. Just pointing out that playing around with the fitting is missing (in my opinion) the OP nature of all the bonuses added togeher. I normally have fun playing with Interceptors both flying them and fighting them - had a gudfite the other night. Crying would be;
WAAAAAA! ZOMG, Ceptors are too OP. WAAAAAA!.
Ahem. |
Faren Shalni
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
62
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:15:00 -
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Alp Khan wrote:Ehud Gera wrote:Altrue wrote: How can you ever dare to nerf the ishtar so little and then go full.. full ANGRY on the interceptors, one of the more fun ship class to play.
Its a frigate god damit, nobody cares if its slightly more powered than you'd like it to be, it cannot stand against most ships anyway (including drones), and a single damp will usually ruin its life. What's the point of all this? Make sure people don't enjoy too much flying interceptors because they'd realize how boring other ships are to fly?
Really, really dissapointed on this one.
This^ Sure nerf the crow a bit, but the malediction? You're already nerfing it with lml changes. Crusader??? Any thoughts on that incredibly underused ship? And for pities sake, NERF DRONES before LML's. Also, Fozzie... I always hear that CCP responds to its player base and their concerns, but i have yet to see a dev comment on any of the recent changes that have been widely unpopular: -Ishtar "nerf" -Frigate PermaWH's -These changes to inty's I thought CCP cared what we thought... its one of the aspects that attracted me to the game. I'm starting to think the Gallente have CCP in their pocket. Lulz. But seriously... Fun fact: Currently, a Malediction with IV/V skills mixed and MWD on and agility fit is untouchable by light scout drones when holding a LM kite distance orbit. They also OUTRUN the light missiles themselves, unless you are flying a Garmur. You can't web, point or scram them unless you are flying a Recon cruiser, an Electronic Attack Ship or some other warp disruption bonused ship at those ranges. They can get in a fight without committing to the fight itself, and they are nigh uncatchable with ANY scan resolution on gates due to <2.0 s align time. Don't tell for a second that this was not OP. Nobody will take you seriously. Malediction required a nerf, fair and square. What sensible people object to here are the nerf to LMs themselves.
Are you smoking something? Light drone do keep up with intys. the reason they "fall back" is the old fact they turn off prop to fire guns. So your drone will micro up to range shoot then have to repeat.
Drones kill ceptors If you don't believe me this is what Hornets just did on a dominix before he died
http://i.imgur.com/HJy3QGd.png
So Much Space |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
445
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Posted - 2014.09.18 20:15:00 -
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Arc Tander wrote:elitatwo wrote:Arc Tander wrote: -snipp- Taken together all this does is breed the behaviour of get through bubble, land on a Horde or Sanctum, point whatever is there, burn out to 25/30k and orbit at 5000m/s and WAIT with zero risk as once this is done there are very few counters for the prey. Light drones have difficulty keeping up, as do EW drones, and gunnery/heavy missiles won't track or apply damage.
I don't fly interceptors but please do exactly that and see what happens 10 seconds later in that complex... Yep. Just tried it. Nothing happened. Got bored orbiting a friend of mine after five minutes without a single shot at me. did you point him
the post you're quoting is trying, ineffectually, to illustrate that rat AI prioritizes targets that are emitting ewar (like warp disruptors) without considering which targets are being disrupted |
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