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Anya Klibor
Insanely Twisted D3vil's Childr3n
770
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:08:00 -
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"Let's give the Malediction a point/scram range bonus, then remove it's ability to be competent while using the weapon systems it is designed for."
Fozzie, just tender your resignation now. You and Rise. We're recruiting! :D |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
778
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:10:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:"Let's give the Malediction a point/scram range bonus, then remove it's ability to be competent while using the weapon systems it is designed for."
Fozzie, just tender your resignation now. You and Rise.
It's an Interceptor. The point/scram is the weapon system it was designed for. |
Anya Klibor
Insanely Twisted D3vil's Childr3n
770
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:24:00 -
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Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:"Let's give the Malediction a point/scram range bonus, then remove it's ability to be competent while using the weapon systems it is designed for."
Fozzie, just tender your resignation now. You and Rise. It's an Interceptor. The point/scram is the weapon system it was designed for.
Except that's not completely true. Any of the other fleet interceptors can also go and fight from the safety of that range while maintaining point. The Malediction is having what power it had in it's light missile systems become useless. Stiletto, Ares, and Crow all have weapons bonuses that apply to the long-range variants of the primary weapons systems they use. The Malediction will go back to it's pre-buff days of being nothing more than an Interceptor no one will want to fly. It has a bonus that applies to a tank no one uses, and it's going to be pushed into rockets as the weapon of choice to apply any type of bonus. We're recruiting! :D |
Charles Miner
The Krabicci Death Squad Black Rise Police Department
48
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:29:00 -
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flag to you in hands crow go live in the hangar now! ( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) never chat sh1et to me online ( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
450
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:52:00 -
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Charles Miner wrote:flag to you in hands crow go live in the hangar now! same |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
778
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:55:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:"Let's give the Malediction a point/scram range bonus, then remove it's ability to be competent while using the weapon systems it is designed for."
Fozzie, just tender your resignation now. You and Rise. It's an Interceptor. The point/scram is the weapon system it was designed for. Except that's not completely true. Any of the other fleet interceptors can also go and fight from the safety of that range while maintaining point. The Malediction is having what power it had in it's light missile systems become useless. Stiletto, Ares, and Crow all have weapons bonuses that apply to the long-range variants of the primary weapons systems they use. The Malediction will go back to it's pre-buff days of being nothing more than an Interceptor no one will want to fly. It has a bonus that applies to a tank no one uses, and it's going to be pushed into rockets as the weapon of choice to apply any type of bonus.
Not really. After this change, the Crow will be the only one. You could stick arty/rails/beams on the turret based ones, but the fit would be pretty gimped to make that work in a way that can get decent dps and actually apply it.
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rsantos
TEC-NOLOGY Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
17
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:07:00 -
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Goons Cry CCP Awnsers
https://zkillboard.com/ship/11186/group/358/region/10000035/
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
450
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:20:00 -
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rsantos wrote:Goons Cry CCP Awnsers i will admit it is nice that the developers of the game cater to our every whim |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:24:00 -
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Alp Khan wrote: -snip- Fights in EVE require commitment as a general rule. Now the odds are matched.
Hurrr....
That is why you folks recommend to brawl into any boat guns blazing in a nano-kite boat.. What could go wrong? signature |
Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
43
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:15:00 -
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Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%
Congrats on nerfing the only missiles that were worth a damn. |
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
3821
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:26:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Fozzie, just tender your resignation now. You and Rise. Rumour has it they're leaving for Riot GamesGǪ I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
fox targaryen
Nordwaffe
1
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Posted - 2014.09.19 04:32:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:here, a buddy of mine got me an updated EFT for these changes so I went ahead and made some fits so y'all can see the difference http://imgur.com/a/4wi8kLML, MSE, point, EM ward amp, grid stuff, and filled out the rest with align you lose 0.4s align and 14 dps going to oceanus horror of horrors
both those fits are god awful
do you even fly interceptors? |
Anya Klibor
Insanely Twisted D3vil's Childr3n
772
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Posted - 2014.09.19 05:34:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:Fozzie, just tender your resignation now. You and Rise. Rumour has it they're leaving for Riot GamesGǪ
Please don't put that evil on Riot. They already got Ghostcrawler. We're recruiting! :D |
Catherine Laartii
Providence Guard Templis CALSF
285
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Posted - 2014.09.19 08:47:00 -
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Any word on changing the raptor into an ishukone boat now that it's got the same line bonuses? |
Faren Shalni
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
63
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Posted - 2014.09.19 08:50:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Jamir Von Lietuva wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: choosing between tank and damage is something everyone should have to do
by your logic i should be able to fit a drake tank on a tornado
you also don't have to gimp your fit to get sub-2s align ceptors today, the malediction today does 97 dps, 4k EHP, and has 2s align with a 30 km engagement window (mjolnir furies) or 79 DPS with a 40km engagement window (CN mjolnir)
with the new changes the crow may actually be catchable on gates and the malediction will be forced into short range to apply damage (while retaining its ability to do pure tackle)
this is unironically a good thing
link the fit that does all of this sorry the tank is 3.8k EHP, looks like I just got 0wned [Malediction, Pre-Oceanus] Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Warp Disruptor II Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II http://i.imgur.com/ezzQ28v.jpg
For a ship that has that little tank that is way too much bling.
Also that fit will not hold tackle for long, which is a intys primary role if you didnt know, your ship maxes out at 3944m/s cold. Warrior II's base speed is 5040 thats before skills. so straight up you cannot out run drones. as for orbiting velocity I would be good but still you will not have the speed to kite drones.
In other words you fit is good at travelling and shooting something that cant shoot back but not tackling which is the primary job of a fleet interceptor
try flying intys more to actually hunt people with you will learn whats needed to survive tackling something So Much Space |
Catherine Laartii
Providence Guard Templis CALSF
285
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Posted - 2014.09.19 09:20:00 -
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BadAssMcKill wrote:What's the point of an application bonus to a weapons system that applies perfectly to everything Bro do you even missile? |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1639
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Posted - 2014.09.19 10:12:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:"Let's give the Malediction a point/scram range bonus, then remove it's ability to be competent while using the weapon systems it is designed for."
Fozzie, just tender your resignation now. You and Rise. It's an Interceptor. The point/scram is the weapon system it was designed for. Except that's not completely true. Any of the other fleet interceptors can also go and fight from the safety of that range while maintaining point. The Malediction is having what power it had in it's light missile systems become useless. Stiletto, Ares, and Crow all have weapons bonuses that apply to the long-range variants of the primary weapons systems they use. The Malediction will go back to it's pre-buff days of being nothing more than an Interceptor no one will want to fly. It has a bonus that applies to a tank no one uses, and it's going to be pushed into rockets as the weapon of choice to apply any type of bonus.
I never ever saw the extended range of point on an interceptor as a way to keep you safe. I always saw it as an increased chance to tackle something fast that might cross your point range too fast when combined with your own speed to be scrammed without the bonus. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1639
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Posted - 2014.09.19 10:13:00 -
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Catherine Laartii wrote:BadAssMcKill wrote:What's the point of an application bonus to a weapons system that applies perfectly to everything Bro do you even missile?
Considering Interceptors kill mostly ratting **** and mining barges, they apply perfect DPS to those :P "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions Free 2 Play
242
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Posted - 2014.09.19 10:20:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: Malediction: Restrict the missile RoF bonus to only apply to Rocket Launchers -0.1 Inertia
so after the malediction had finally gained a bonus for a useable weapon system, it not gets nerfed back to rockets again?
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Jita Akachi
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.09.19 11:05:00 -
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Peter Powers wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: Malediction: Restrict the missile RoF bonus to only apply to Rocket Launchers -0.1 Inertia
so after the malediction had finally gained a bonus for a useable weapon system, it not gets nerfed back to rockets again?
Not nerfed, murdered.. If only devs could do post on forum to listen feedbacks.. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11299
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Posted - 2014.09.19 11:19:00 -
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Hey guys. A few more updates to this plan.
We've added some more powergrid to the Raptor, adjusted the Malediction mass/velocity/inertia so that it performs better when plated or while turning with the prop mod on, and added a touch of speed to the Claw.
OP is updated. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1298
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Posted - 2014.09.19 11:39:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey guys. A few more updates to this plan.
We've added some more powergrid to the Raptor, adjusted the Malediction mass/velocity/inertia so that it performs better when plated or while turning with the prop mod on, and added a touch of speed to the Claw.
OP is updated.
These are solid choices in my opinion.
Any plans to adress the fact that the missile explosion radius bonus on the crow is not very useful? Turn it into a missile explosion velocity and I can assure you that it would benefit both rockets and light missiles. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
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Canenald
Rubella Solaris Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2014.09.19 11:39:00 -
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The greatest downside to Minmatar ceptors right now is that they can get the minimum of 2.0s align time. Will the mass reduction of Stiletto be enough to give it sub-2s align?
Claw is a nice fast brawly ceptor that can output AF-grade dps. The only problem is that brawling with small ships isn't very popular atm because of LMLs and rails, but that's not a reason to change the ships role because brawling might come back in the future. A touch of velocity is a nice token of love, but maybe agility would be better? Just enough to give it sub-2s align too, while ******* less with the tracking of projectile guns.
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11301
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Posted - 2014.09.19 11:47:00 -
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Altrue wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey guys. A few more updates to this plan.
We've added some more powergrid to the Raptor, adjusted the Malediction mass/velocity/inertia so that it performs better when plated or while turning with the prop mod on, and added a touch of speed to the Claw.
OP is updated. These are solid choices in my opinion. Any plans to adress the fact that the missile explosion radius bonus on the crow is not very useful? Turn it into a missile explosion velocity and I can assure you that it would benefit both rockets and light missiles.
Explosion radius is quite valuable on the Crow. Remember that explosion radius bonuses help against fast targets as well, not just against small targets. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.09.19 12:01:00 -
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Dear CCP Fozzie,
is there any sentiment that we get that explosion stuff removed from missiles? You may not know this but I was here a while before someone (I don't point fingers until I have to..) thought it would be cool to make missile haz turrets values clamped on them.
Turns out it wasn't the best of all ideas and from the very, very long threads I read about it turned out the only one who wanted the change was uncle BOB aka CONDI.
You may not like the idea and you might feel it would be horrible but I am telling you it will not be the end of the world of war- errm EVE. signature |
Chigurh Friendo
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.09.19 12:16:00 -
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I'm totally fine with these changes. The Crow will still be useful even after the heavy nerfing it is about to receive.
The LML nerf also seems appropriate, and I say this as a frequent abuser.
To be honest, I was in disbelief when the Crow was released in its original overpowered state... At least you are finally addressing this issue.
I think a valid concern with the Crow relates to damage projection and engagement range, and I think the parties concerned have a point (pardon the pun), but overall I think this is a move in the right direction... With tighter and fewer fitting options, Crow pilots will need to compromise more in selecting their fits... and this will conceivably make them more manageable.
Nonetheless, I still believe the Crow will retain sufficient viability under these changes that they will still be useful.
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Off-topic: It sure would be nice to be able to swap RLML missile types without a 35s 'moment of tension'. Is this change ever going to see the light of day? |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1298
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Posted - 2014.09.19 12:17:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Altrue wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey guys. A few more updates to this plan.
We've added some more powergrid to the Raptor, adjusted the Malediction mass/velocity/inertia so that it performs better when plated or while turning with the prop mod on, and added a touch of speed to the Claw.
OP is updated. These are solid choices in my opinion. Any plans to adress the fact that the missile explosion radius bonus on the crow is not very useful? Turn it into a missile explosion velocity and I can assure you that it would benefit both rockets and light missiles. Explosion radius is quite valuable on the Crow. Remember that explosion radius bonuses help against fast targets as well, not just against small targets.
CCP Fozzie (rightfully) sending me back to school. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Minutemen The Bastion
1350
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Posted - 2014.09.19 12:17:00 -
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I don't get it, why would I reship from my crow to one of those other things? |
Ynef
Tesseract Industries
12
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Posted - 2014.09.19 12:20:00 -
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So just to be clear, you should have written "5% reduction to missile explosion radius per level"
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11301
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Posted - 2014.09.19 12:23:00 -
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Ynef wrote:So just to be clear, you should have written "5% reduction to missile explosion radius per level"
When we use the word "bonus" in our descriptions, it generally means that the number goes in the direction you want it to go. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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