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colera deldios
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Posted - 2014.09.18 07:16:00 -
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The whole idea falls perfectly in EVE Universe and the image EVE players have built around this game to the outside community as a hard game with a harsh and unpredictable environment. CCP Should not be wasting DEV hours to implement babysitting changes that do nothing but remove potentiality B-R level content.
Take an example from anywhere in EVE anything you do in EVE if you do not think it over there is a way you will be punished every stupid decision you make in EVE will get you hit in the face with a baseball bat. Think about it:
- You don't scout the cyno beacon POS/System and jump blindly there's a hot dropper waiting for you to kick you in the shins.
- You move 10+b worth of cargo in your JF in HS and don't have an exit cyno ready you get kicked in the shins.
- You don't look twice and press jump instead of bridge you get kicked in the shins.
- You go do 0.0 anomalies and you don't align as you land you get kicked in the shins.
- You don't anchor up in fleet fights you get kicked in the shins.
- You don't look carefully before accepting a contract you get kicked in the shins.
- You don't look carefully before buying something in the market you get kicked in the shins.
- You go reinforce Shadow Cartels Poco, Wild bagger comes and kicks you in the shins.
- You login your titan, that was logged out outside POS with FA in the system you get kicked in the shins.
- You smack talk in Hophib local you get kicked in the shins.
- You don't use Chribba you get kicked in the shins.
- You send ISK/Assets to corp you aren't even part of you get kicked in the shins.
- You trust Black Legion you get kicked in the shins.
- You don't fit a DCII you get kicked in the shins.
- You don't look in intel channels you get kicked in the shins.
- You go to a public event to kill a Revanan knowing there is 5000 people there you get kicked in the shins, no kill-mail for you scubs should have stayed and got an archon kill.
- You go afk, miss fleet you don't get super kill you get kicked in the shins.
- Petition CCP to fix Blob/Sov/0.0 you get kicked in the shins and also you get fuel consumption increase.
- WH community petitions CCP to fix/update POS System you get kicked more WH's and you get bigger spawn distance and you get kicked in the shins.
I mean every stupid mistake, every unthinked decision pretty much anything in EVE will result in you getting kicked in the shins. Do you know how painful it is to get kicked in the shins ? I mean EVE mild mistakes get you kicked in the shins like using wrong ammo.
But now we are going to baby sit some people who are incapable and waste Developer hours on this change that will only **** up those who spent hours and hours working on making all the corporation/alliance bookmarks ?
I mean we have this module: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mobile_Cynosural_Inhibitor
To fix this problem if you take the risk than risk being kicked in the shins ? We don't hold hands for everyone else why should we start holding hands for scrubs that can't drop this one module ? |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.18 07:36:00 -
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While I agree that stupid mistakes should not be cushioned, the POS bumping due to cyno jumping titans onto a POS is not a matter of stupid mistakes but abuse of mechanics.
The other examples you give are not because of mechanical abuse but because of stupid mistakes. |
colera deldios
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Posted - 2014.09.18 07:51:00 -
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Petrified wrote:While I agree that stupid mistakes should not be cushioned, the POS bumping due to cyno jumping titans onto a POS is not a matter of stupid mistakes but abuse of mechanics.
The other examples you give are not because of mechanical abuse but because of stupid mistakes.
It's a pretty valid mechanic that can be solved by simply dropping down a Mobile Cyno Jammer did you even ready anything I wrote ? |
Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2014.09.18 08:23:00 -
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This is bugged system, and if you force players to put MCI you are openly acknowledge it existence. So if there was no MCI , you got bumped then what ? Was this abuse or not? Simple question.
What is more important. MCI on pos where you keep your ship OR no access to your pos shields by enemy using exploits? Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption Support Needed : Faction Crystal Changes |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2014.09.18 08:34:00 -
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It sounds like an exploit to me. Time to hand out permabans. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.09.18 08:47:00 -
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There are other ways than MCIs to keep your titan from bumping out of the POS FF. While it's clearly an exploit, there are numerous ways to prevent blue casualties. However, as long as people use 1234 or 420 or similar as PW for their POS, don't stront their POS or commit other errors, I don't think it's a bad thing to have some bowling parties. |
frasdasd Aakiwa
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.18 08:51:00 -
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make cyno not being able to light cloaser then 10km of the pos shield. problem fixed and everyone is happy |
colera deldios
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Posted - 2014.09.18 09:17:00 -
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frasdasd Aakiwa wrote:make cyno not being able to light cloaser then 10km of the pos shield. problem fixed and everyone is happy
It's not really a solution. It creates more problems than it solves. While dropping a MCU solves the problem while retaining the EVE image. |
colera deldios
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Posted - 2014.09.18 09:18:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:This is bugged system, and if you force players to put MCI you are openly acknowledge it existence. So if there was no MCI , you got bumped then what ? Was this abuse or not? Simple question.
What is more important. MCI on pos where you keep your ship OR no access to your pos shields by enemy using exploits?
What ? First everyone know about Mobile Cyno Inhibitors by now. Bumping is a valid mechanic and should not be removed because some people are incapable for adapting and instead resort to crying. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:36:00 -
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colera deldios wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:This is bugged system, and if you force players to put MCI you are openly acknowledge it existence. So if there was no MCI , you got bumped then what ? Was this abuse or not? Simple question.
What is more important. MCI on pos where you keep your ship OR no access to your pos shields by enemy using exploits? What ? First everyone know about Mobile Cyno Inhibitors by now. Bumping is a valid mechanic and should not be removed because some people are incapable for adapting and instead resort to crying.
Its an exploit and has been fixed. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its an exploit and has been fixed.
Orly?
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:47:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its an exploit and has been fixed. Orly?
We broke it again didn't we.... Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid Overload Everything
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Posted - 2014.09.18 10:52:00 -
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CCP ruled it an exploit and as it is their server, their code and their game that makes it an exploit.
Live with it. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.09.18 11:38:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its an exploit and has been fixed. Orly? We broke it again didn't we....
POS's.....ccps' joy. New and exciting ways to pos bowl and sometimes pos's go from NBSI to Shoot anything (including blues) on patch days.
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Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2918
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Posted - 2014.09.18 11:40:00 -
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OP, you should probably post this in the discussion thread for the actual change... |
Belen Shields
Iskender Kebap Corp
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Posted - 2014.09.18 11:54:00 -
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colera deldios wrote:frasdasd Aakiwa wrote:make cyno not being able to light cloaser then 10km of the pos shield. problem fixed and everyone is happy It's not really a solution. It creates more problems than it solves. While dropping a MCU solves the problem while retaining the EVE image.
Dropping a mcu only cures the symptom and is not touching the roots of the disease. It is an exploit. Period. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.18 11:55:00 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:baltec1 wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its an exploit and has been fixed. Orly? We broke it again didn't we.... POS's.....ccps' joy. New and exciting ways to pos bowl and sometimes pos's go from NBSI to Shoot anything (including blues) on patch days.
We still get twitchy when people mention the skynet tower. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
colera deldios
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:16:00 -
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Belen Shields wrote:colera deldios wrote:frasdasd Aakiwa wrote:make cyno not being able to light cloaser then 10km of the pos shield. problem fixed and everyone is happy It's not really a solution. It creates more problems than it solves. While dropping a MCU solves the problem while retaining the EVE image. Dropping a mcu only cures the symptom and is not touching the roots of the disease. It is an exploit. Period.
By that logic let's make CONCORD kill everyone in HS the second they lock someone. Or make all ships in HS indestructible, or maybe add 3 Are you sure Dialog windows after you press Jump To on a Titan. Let's also make scamming and stealing bannable, lets give carriers insta warp any other stupid idea there is...
Lets also remove bumping overall, bumping carriers out of RR range, bumping ship off undock, lets give every ship in game +1000 warp strength. I mean warp core stab only cures the warp scram/disrupt symptoms but +1000 cures it. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
2918
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:22:00 -
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colera deldios wrote:Belen Shields wrote:colera deldios wrote:frasdasd Aakiwa wrote:make cyno not being able to light cloaser then 10km of the pos shield. problem fixed and everyone is happy It's not really a solution. It creates more problems than it solves. While dropping a MCU solves the problem while retaining the EVE image. Dropping a mcu only cures the symptom and is not touching the roots of the disease. It is an exploit. Period. By that logic let's make CONCORD kill everyone in HS the second they lock someone. Or make all ships in HS indestructible, or maybe add 3 Are you sure Dialog windows after you press Jump To on a Titan. Let's also make scamming and stealing bannable, lets give carriers insta warp any other stupid idea there is... Lets also remove bumping overall, bumping carriers out of RR range, bumping ship off undock, lets give every ship in game +1000 warp strength. I mean warp core stab only cures the warp scram/disrupt symptoms but +1000 cures it.
None of those things have been declared exploits. |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:24:00 -
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The problem is not bumping itself, but bumping an invisible part of the ship that doesn't belong to its model.
baltec1 wrote:Its an exploit and has been fixed. No unfortunatly not, but it got bandaided.
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colera deldios
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:45:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:colera deldios wrote:Belen Shields wrote:colera deldios wrote:frasdasd Aakiwa wrote:make cyno not being able to light cloaser then 10km of the pos shield. problem fixed and everyone is happy It's not really a solution. It creates more problems than it solves. While dropping a MCU solves the problem while retaining the EVE image. Dropping a mcu only cures the symptom and is not touching the roots of the disease. It is an exploit. Period. By that logic let's make CONCORD kill everyone in HS the second they lock someone. Or make all ships in HS indestructible, or maybe add 3 Are you sure Dialog windows after you press Jump To on a Titan. Let's also make scamming and stealing bannable, lets give carriers insta warp any other stupid idea there is... Lets also remove bumping overall, bumping carriers out of RR range, bumping ship off undock, lets give every ship in game +1000 warp strength. I mean warp core stab only cures the warp scram/disrupt symptoms but +1000 cures it. None of those things have been declared exploits.
I don't remember CCP saying this is an Exploit either or seeing anyone banned for using it. So by that definition warp scramming someone is also an exploit so are bubbles, webs, soothing someone, chat, market pretty much everything is an exploit than.
We sure are bent on punishing people for the smallest mistakes yet we are going to hold hands for people incapable to find a solution to what is a perfectly valid mechanic even tho there are 5 possible solutions to avoid this mechanics being used.
On the other hand we will remove this mechanic that is perfect for baiting someone into a trap and that further escalating to a full out B-R fight.. |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:32:00 -
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colera deldios wrote:Petrified wrote:While I agree that stupid mistakes should not be cushioned, the POS bumping due to cyno jumping titans onto a POS is not a matter of stupid mistakes but abuse of mechanics.
The other examples you give are not because of mechanical abuse but because of stupid mistakes. It's a pretty valid mechanic that can be solved by simply dropping down a Mobile Cyno Jammer did you even ready anything I wrote ?
Have you ever dropped a mobile cyno jammer? They last how long?
If I log my titan off in my tower and go to bed, anytime after 2 hours of sleep I am expected to wake up and drop another MCJ?
The mechanic is broken. A MCJ is a band-aid on a severed limb. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13260
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:42:00 -
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colera deldios wrote:
I don't remember CCP saying this is an Exploit either or seeing anyone banned for using it.
http://themittani.com/features/titan-pos-bump-exploit-explained Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:45:00 -
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Actually, given that is not a CCP site, you should have linked this instead: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-forcefield-access/ |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13260
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:49:00 -
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Either will do.
Tis an exploit people, you are not getting it back. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
thatonepersone
POS Party Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:07:00 -
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Its an exploite. In b 4 lock. |
Kell Braugh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:35:00 -
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If interaction between ships through a force-field through quirks of the game mechanics is an exploit, than most the titan bridges to date have also been exploits and should be dealt with accordingly. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2014.09.19 06:50:00 -
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colera deldios wrote:By that logic let's make CONCORD kill everyone in HS the second they lock someone. Or make all ships in HS indestructible, or maybe add 3 Are you sure Dialog windows after you press Jump To on a Titan. Let's also make scamming and stealing bannable, lets give carriers insta warp any other stupid idea there is...
Lets also remove bumping overall, bumping carriers out of RR range, bumping ship off undock, lets give every ship in game +1000 warp strength. I mean warp core stab only cures the warp scram/disrupt symptoms but +1000 cures it.
Holy logical fallacies, Batman. That strawman is huge! |
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