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Vestion Stenier-Tian
Aether Ventures Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:36:00 -
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I have been wondering recently if the rail deimos could work for very small gang fights or frig blaping in FW space. Im thinking it would work similar to an ishtar but can go armor and take a beating. Here is a fit I was messing around with:
https://i.imgur.com/MqtOnB9.png
So, with all skills level V and no shiny mods it needs a 1% powergrid implant, but I dont think thats too bad.
Now, I think it could do a good job blaping things and not getting killed, as Deimos' tend to do. It would allow it not to worry about range control and hopefully get some gf's, as thats what we all want.
The only problem I see with it is if something gets under its guns, which if its against smaller ships wouldnt be too hard at all. So I was considering, a gang of two or three Deimos' with maybe a webbing Vigi?
I havnt thought this 100% through but its an idea I just wanted to put out there as im gonna be able to fly HACs in a couple days and want to see what fits I can mess around with in low sec that isnt an Ishtar. |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:47:00 -
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Too much focus on tank, not enough focus on not getting caught and bummed.
A Vigilant might be a better option as the 90% web is very hand for counter tackle. |
Vestion Stenier-Tian
Aether Ventures Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.09.18 12:56:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote: A Vigilant might be a better option as the 90% web is very hand for counter tackle.
So, a 90% web on a frig + deimos webs, would 200mm rails be able to hit that? I would think so at least. Because in that case, thats pretty much the only thing I was concerned about sorted
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Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
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Posted - 2014.09.18 13:42:00 -
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I've used something similar to your fit before. I would say for a very small gang, the fit is alright and give you an option to chase off kitey fits that are faster than you, and if you have a vigilant as a gang mate then you shouldn't worry too much about frigs that try to get under the guns.
However, I would advise against flying this 'solo' in FW zone. You will not be blaping them. A pack of AFs will catch up with you and wear you down as you are not fast enough.
As for the details of the fit itself, I think you can change the damage control to Pseudo... variant and fit t2 warp disruptor. Don't have eft on hand now but judging by your screen shot this seems doable. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:11:00 -
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You need more speed to pull off something like this, the Deimos has got some decent tank but honestly on a proper kiting fit more tank is usually not what saves you, it's either more speed or more dps. Honestly I'd just go with a Thorax for this, you have alot less tank, but you get similar or better speed and dps and slightly less projection but a tracking bonus instead. All this for like 8x less the cost.
My pyfa is being weird and not letting me export fits, but basically 250 rails + MWD/Longpoint/LSE/cap booster + 2xmagstab/1xTE/DCU/nano + 2x ACR and 1x Polycarbon rigs. Does like 500+dps to 24km with excellent tracking (for rails) as well as 2 sets of light drones for dealing with fast tackle that catches you. 3314m/s with OH speed. |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.09.18 19:42:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:You need more speed to pull off something like this, the Deimos has got some decent tank but honestly on a proper kiting fit more tank is usually not what saves you, it's either more speed or more dps. Honestly I'd just go with a Thorax for this, you have alot less tank, but you get similar or better speed and dps and slightly less projection but a tracking bonus instead. All this for like 8x less the cost.
My pyfa is being weird and not letting me export fits, but basically 250 rails + MWD/Longpoint/LSE/cap booster + 2xmagstab/1xTE/DCU/nano + 2x ACR and 1x Polycarbon rigs. Does like 500+dps to 24km with excellent tracking (for rails) as well as 2 sets of light drones for dealing with fast tackle that catches you. 3314m/s with OH speed.
Dat Thorax is a beast but I wouldn't mind a few more digets on powergrid signature |
God's Apples
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:09:00 -
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1v1 HAC? huehuehuehuehuehue
In all seriousness, you need 250s. Rail deimos is good because it projects far, hits hard, and tanks very well for a kiting ship. If you use 200s you can't do that very crucial first part. Rail Deimos is not very usable for total solo as having a max speed of around 3km/s means any linked longpoint frig can permatackle you. If you happen to be a linked snaked wizard and fit a nano then you can go almost 5km/s and frigs aren't an issue if you transversal match well like the wizard you are.
With that being said, the rail deimos works really well in small logi-less armor kiting gangs because of it's good damage and sustain. You just need something like a nomen/legion. An ashimmu is optimal imo because you can get the web range of a loki (35km with FN web and heat, 47 with links) with sick neuting power while doing reasonable dps at range all while not appearing scary.
This was the fit Turn Left used when they were all about that rail deimos lyfe:
[Deimos, Rail] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400 Warp Disruptor II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
Warrior II x5 Acolyte II x5
It's a super bulky fit with a huge amount of sustain. Very difficult for it to die if you aren't caught.
This is a faster, more finess variant of the fit:
[Deimos, Rail Nano] Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Corpum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400 Warp Disruptor II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator II Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Warrior II x5 Acolyte II x5
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Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2014.09.18 23:50:00 -
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why not just go with a nomen, really. |
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