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Daamal Ulaannar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:22:00 -
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I'm starting a business news source for the EVE economy called Padesar Uls on October the 2nd. It'll contain reports on how things going on in the EVE world may affect markets as well as data analysis and reports on research I have done.
To read the business plan that I've written IC go here. I won't repeat anything here, just interested to know how many industrialists, traders and otherwise, at whatever stage, would be interested in having an easily accessible source of information concerning a variety of markets in EVE.
From my perspective, the advice and analysis would greatly help new players get into the industry sector of the game and also make them less likely to blunder about and make life hard for themselves and other older industrialists. Further it would help older industrialists by giving them data they can use to help make decisions in industry or give them heads up when something going on in a different market might soon affect them.
Of course to keep me alive and able to continue the game I'd have to make money off this, and while I will provide a free view version on the forum, full analysis and articles will be available on a reasonable ISK paid monthly subscription basis.
So the big question is, no matter how little, do you think you would take a peek? or want in? or do you have any advice?
Also feel free to ask questions about anything concerning the actual source Padesar Uls, it'll help me to help you to help me. But only OOC stuff please, go to the one I linked for IC questions.
~ Daamal Ulaannar |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10065
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:25:00 -
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Good luck with your idea! Meta Portrait: umm, looks like youre 'busy', young love, sexual and sensual, soft&warm, OMG naked???, are you kissin or blo..., so much feels, most sexually suggestive pic I've seen. I make it feel real... Dear you-know-who. Don't force me to spread out my mail APIkey and chatlogs. Get off my back already. Thanks. :) |
Remissus Rinah
Associated Descendants of Eve
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:26:00 -
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While I applaud the idea in spirit, I can't help but wonder if people will be willing to pay you ISK for this. More power to you though- Hope it works out. Sounds neat. ~ Remissus |
Daamal Ulaannar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:32:00 -
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Remissus Rinah wrote:While I applaud the idea in spirit, I can't help but wonder if people will be willing to pay you ISK for this. More power to you though- Hope it works out. Sounds neat.
Of course. I would hardly expect people to pay for something that they aren't sure it worth the price. Which is why I would offer either a reduced fee (possibly free) for the first month or two, and only after that request the full subscription charge.
Therefore you try before you buy. That way you can be sure that it isn't a scam or that it isn't overpriced. |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
655
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:32:00 -
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How will you be verifying sources? I would think there's a potential for you to be fed disinformation by certain parties in order to manipulate the market.
..or maybe I'm just paranoid O.o
\m/ O.o \m/
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Torneach Structor
Emrys Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:34:00 -
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Depending on if the information/analysis you can provide is more effective than what a single person or a small group of people can discover on their own using in- and out-of-game tools and depending on the price, this could be something that might just take off. I'd even consider using it.
Of course, nobody knows how good your analysis and information gathering is, so you'd probably need to send out a free issue or two to people to get them interested. |
Daamal Ulaannar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:37:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:How will you be verifying sources? I would think there's a potential for you to be fed disinformation by certain parties in order to manipulate the market.
..or maybe I'm just paranoid O.o
This is a great point. It would be hazardous for business should they be fed misinformation.
I will be using various sources, and cross analyzing to ensure that I fully understand what certain data is saying. The in game information combined with out of game sources such as EVE Central will provide a wide net of easily accessible, neutral information.
Further market manipulation would be something I'd have my eye on. I'd be suspicious of any source that has any vested interest no matter how indirect and would ultimately aim to warn people about possible manipulation going on in markets. |
Daamal Ulaannar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:42:00 -
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Torneach Structor wrote:Depending on if the information/analysis you can provide is more effective than what a single person or a small group of people can discover on their own using in- and out-of-game tools and depending on the price, this could be something that might just take off. I'd even consider using it.
Of course, nobody knows how good your analysis and information gathering is, so you'd probably need to send out a free issue or two to people to get them interested.
The difference between me and many other people at the moment is that I would be almost completely committed to my work with Padesar Uls rather than taking part in the other parts of the game that much, I would largely facilitate others to do so. This would be better than doing it yourself or even in a group because it frees up your time. Instead of having to commit so many hours of work to analysis, you can simply check up the digest and analysis and use that combined with some of your own logic and research to minimize the time needed to understand the current business environment.
Therefore maximizing your time to do industry/hauling/trading/etc.
Concerning free views, I am certainly considering it, if not a heavily discounted trial subscription. |
Ryder 'ook
Die..Brut
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Posted - 2014.09.18 14:43:00 -
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I like the idea.
And my fledgeling indu alt might even become a subscriber... Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:10:00 -
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Well, on a related note to what Ssabat said, how do we know your publication isn't designed purely for market manipulation?
Would you also share the backend data used to generate the publication?
my brains not functioning.. need somethign meaningful to say here --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
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Daamal Ulaannar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:31:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote: Well, on a related note to what Ssabat said, how do we know your publication isn't designed purely for market manipulation?
Would you also share the backend data used to generate the publication?
Well you can trial the publication and see for yourself whether you think it is for manipulating markets. Ultimately there is no reward for me in the long term of manipulating markets, my publication would be discredited and my character would be unable to carry out business in any reputable form.
And I will share all the sources that I use to generate my publications, I've stated some of the sources I will use above. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1348
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Posted - 2014.09.18 16:41:00 -
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I'm interested. I'll definitely be sure to give it a read the first issue. |
voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
269
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Posted - 2014.09.18 17:37:00 -
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Sounds like an excellent idea. You could consider either making it very low cost or free for the first month or so to get people interested and dispel any ideas that it's just a simple scam, or get someone respected or with a name like Mynnna, VV, etc to read some of your material beforehand to let people know that you do have somethign worth paying for.
As someone that dabbles a bit in trading I'm sure that many if not all traders would be interested, the stumbling block for you IMO is going to be building trust that ppl are going to get something for their isk. |
Daamal Ulaannar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:00:00 -
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voetius wrote: Sounds like an excellent idea. You could consider either making it very low cost or free for the first month or so to get people interested and dispel any ideas that it's just a simple scam, or get someone respected or with a name like Mynnna, VV, etc to read some of your material beforehand to let people know that you do have somethign worth paying for.
As someone that dabbles a bit in trading I'm sure that many if not all traders would be interested, the stumbling block for you IMO is going to be building trust that ppl are going to get something for their isk.
I'll have to work out whether I can get the investment to make a first month free, if not it will still be heavily reduced.
I'll certainly look into getting some reputable names to look over and judge my content. I would certainly agree on the trust being the stumbling block.
Thanks for the advice. |
Amyclas Amatin
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
347
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Posted - 2014.09.18 18:54:00 -
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Information is subject to heisenberg's uncertainty principle, you can't observe something without changing it.
If you release actionable market information, any possibility of acting on it will be gone once that information becomes accessible. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
Daamal Ulaannar
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.09.18 22:06:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Information is subject to heisenberg's uncertainty principle, you can't observe something without changing it.
If you release actionable market information, any possibility of acting on it will be gone once that information becomes accessible.
Luckily, unlike quantum physics, the information extracted from the market can be much more easily utilised and for a longer period of time. |
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
166
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:04:00 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Information is subject to heisenberg's uncertainty principle, you can't observe something without changing it.
If you release actionable market information, any possibility of acting on it will be gone once that information becomes accessible.
Which is where the "Special Limited Tier Two Information Access Account Offer!" comes in. For a modestly higher fee you can have the information a moment or two before the Tier One subscribers. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
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Vyl Vit
787
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:55:00 -
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The EVE Street Journal? Hey. As long as you don't sell it to Rupert Murdock, it sounds...sound.
How can you tell it's not a market manipulation attempt? It exists. It is. The stated intent would make industrialists' and marketeers' jobs easier, and their efforts more efficient. The market can't help but feel an influence.
How can you tell it's not an attempt to bias the market in favor of one (or more) players to the detriment of others? That's easy. It'll contain two things; facts and opinions.
If the facts are correct, who cares about the opinions?
If the facts and opinions are both correct, then it'll be the only publication since The Onion to get them both right.
If the facts are incorrect, those who are in the know will know, and you can believe we'll hear about it. And, again, who cares about the opinions? Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
71
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:19:00 -
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Seeing it from a slightly different angle - don't forget the fun factor! Your data/analysis could be completely wrong or be attempts at market manipulation, but if it's well-written, thought provoking and fun to read I wouldn't mind subscribing even if I don't get any trading/industry benefit out of it. A good read is always worth paying for. ;) |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
7697
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:40:00 -
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I really like this idea, and judging by the quality of your responses so far I will definitely be taking a look at it when it comes out.
However, I would strongly suggest you consider making this a website. With a free section containing an article or two that would be a preview for the kind of content you're selling and a subscription-based password-protected section you would have a lot more flexibility, legitimacy, and more accessibility for your customers.
Good luck with the project. |
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