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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
503
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:40:00 -
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What's it gonna take? With all things being as they are, Hyperion and all... what will make you happy? What do you wanna see happen(ing) that you won't ***** about?
It's only obvious, and sad, that CCP broke wspace for the majority of its residents, so suppose they're not really giving a **** about trying to revert it... What can the player base do to reignite this bicth? Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
490
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:44:00 -
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Siege long standing wh corps out!
/troll
People could stop being bitches and take a risk now and then... example We knew were most likely gonna lose that carrier but YOLO. Plus it was hella fun fight Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Lakshata Chawla
Blue-Fire
98
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:51:00 -
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Well I mean moving out before the changes are in effect because you're outraged isn't/wasn't the right solution. I think people just need to stop being bitches, the changes aren't bad at all. |
J3rz11
Hard Knocks Inc.
114
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Posted - 2014.09.19 01:54:00 -
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:Siege long standing wh corps out! /troll People could stop being bitches and take a risk now and then... exampleWe knew were most likely gonna lose that carrier but YOLO. Plus it was hella fun fight
to busy playing Archeage atm |
Dyscordia
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
29
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Posted - 2014.09.19 02:43:00 -
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I Googled it and it brought me back to this thread. Is this thread just a metaphor for a circular argument? |
Juris Macto
B0rthole
1
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:24:00 -
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At first, my corp didn't like the changes just for the way CCP seemed to be going about it. Now that we have seen it action... meh. It didn't really affect us much, if at all. |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
689
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:35:00 -
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EIther you don't know what gentrification means, or OP is worded poorly, or both because HiddenFremen.
Gentrification in the WH sense is already happening, and was happening before Hyperion even happened. If we look at the definition of gentrification:
Merriam Webster wrote: influx of middle-class or affluent people into deteriorating areas that often displaces poorer residents
Except since this is a video game, replace "affluent people" with large entities and "poorer residents" with "smaller entities". The "deteriorating areas" part doesn't really apply here, as that would most likely refer to low class WHs, which we know not many people wish to live in. The definition works with that swap, but also with rich and poor, as the larger power blocks are often a fair bit richer than their smaller counterparts. The gentrification of WH space would effectively mean corps continuously solidifying into larger entities so that they can be large enough to protect themselves against the threat of eviction. The result of this, though, is far more empty holes as small corps move to merge with larger ones. You would most likely end up with stalemates when two large entities fight, and the main deciding factor being the friends that either side brings.
What you'd actually want is the reverse gentrification of WH space, this being larger corps splitting into smaller entities and populating many of the empty holes that exist. However, since people want to win fights and not just whelp T3 fleets, they naturally conglomerate into the large blob entities that we currently have.
Unless of course you mean the repopulation of WH space... If you want that you should probably keep what you have there already instead of getting rid of it vOv
/one serious post of the month now back to being a shitter If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Bree Okanata
Perkone Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:41:00 -
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J3rz11 wrote:Aquila Sagitta wrote:Siege long standing wh corps out! too busy playing Archeage atm
Can't be true. The 12 hour queues to get into the game are atrocious. |
Ageudum
Nanashi no Geemu FOX.HOUND
8
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:42:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:EIther you don't know what gentrification means, or OP is worded poorly, or both because HiddenFremen. Gentrification in the WH sense is already happening, and was happening before Hyperion even happened. If we look at the definition of gentrification: Merriam Webster wrote: influx of middle-class or affluent people into deteriorating areas that often displaces poorer residents
Except since this is a video game, replace "affluent people" with large entities and "poorer residents" with "smaller entities". The "deteriorating areas" part doesn't really apply here, as that would most likely refer to low class WHs, which we know not many people wish to live in. The definition works with that swap, but also with rich and poor, as the larger power blocks are often a fair bit richer than their smaller counterparts. The gentrification of WH space would effectively mean corps continuously solidifying into larger entities so that they can be large enough to protect themselves against the threat of eviction. The result of this, though, is far more empty holes as small corps move to merge with larger ones. You would most likely end up with stalemates when two large entities fight, and the main deciding factor being the friends that either side brings. What you'd actually want is the reverse gentrification of WH space, this being larger corps splitting into smaller entities and populating many of the empty holes that exist. However, since people want to win fights and not just whelp T3 fleets, they naturally conglomerate into the large blob entities that we currently have. Unless of course you mean the repopulation of WH space... If you want that you should probably keep what you have there already instead of getting rid of it vOv /one serious post of the month now back to being a shitter
This is the only intelligent post Jester will make in this subforum until the new year.
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
690
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:44:00 -
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Bree Okanata wrote:J3rz11 wrote:Aquila Sagitta wrote:Siege long standing wh corps out! too busy playing Archeage atm Can't be true. The 12 hour queues to get into the game are atrocious.
Be not a poor and it's not a problem If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
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Henrayyyyy Andven
Origin. Black Legion.
73
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Posted - 2014.09.19 03:51:00 -
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Confirming Fremen wants the equivalent of N3 and CFC in WH Space, I heard it from Jester |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
492
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Posted - 2014.09.19 04:10:00 -
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If you're trying to make corps smaller and more numerous in wspace you need to fix the Apex fleet problem. T3's are the best by far and the only reliable counter to them is to bring more T3's. If there was more of a rock/paper/scissors style fleet engagements would be more interesting. It wouldn't be an arms race to get more t3's in fleet. Until T3s are rebalanced/nerfed nothings gonna change.
CCP needs to make it possible for a small group to take on a large group in wh's. Then you'll get smaller groups populating wspace. Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Henrayyyyy Andven
Origin. Black Legion.
74
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Posted - 2014.09.19 04:45:00 -
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The solution is to simply remove all other wormholes and have frigate only wormholes. |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
151
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Posted - 2014.09.19 05:31:00 -
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Can't fix apex fleet, if you adjust it, you will just create an other new apex fleet.(nerf t3's and we will get a command ship apex fleet,... ) We just need to get more people in w-space. |
Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
265
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Posted - 2014.09.19 05:37:00 -
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Let's have all wormholes delete/randomize all overview settings every jump. I'm sure that will get things stirred up. You too can start failing today! Reddit-áad | Cascading Failure Public Channel | Aspiring Failure
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Andiedeath
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
276
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Posted - 2014.09.19 06:24:00 -
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lol the changes havent really changed our day to day life. Rolling wormholes is easy, running sites is easy... The population and activity has been down but we are starting to see people come back and explosions happening again.... As per previous posts I think once people actually try out the changes they will find that if anything wormhole space is better.
The chains are also MUCH MUCH longer! and lol we are finding wormhole chains intersecing much more often... No need to role WHs unless they are EOL or you are extremely bored!
The new effects will also be a good change. Director Swift Angels Alliance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3247397#post3247397 INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public |
Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
482
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Posted - 2014.09.19 08:33:00 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:Let's have all wormholes delete/randomize all overview settings every jump. I'm sure that will get things stirred up.
That would possibly be the most hilarious/frustrating april fools joke ever. |
Winthorp
2727
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Posted - 2014.09.19 08:34:00 -
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Honestly Hidden i am not trolling you when i say this.
What makes you think WH space wasn't broken before Hyperion in all honesty Wh space really needed a major shake up to how people interact with each other.
While i fully supported Hyperion changes as i have said before i would rather they listened to our years of discussions on Wh mechanics and ideas before instituting changes with no consultation with us, they could have done so much more with Hyperion and done further changes after Hyperion but i am not holding my breath as i imagine the next few patches after Oceanus to revolve around nullsec. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
701
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Posted - 2014.09.19 08:53:00 -
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Gentrification is about as much a thing as a SSC guy engaging without backup... "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
500
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Posted - 2014.09.19 09:14:00 -
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that hurts dude, we go way back... :( W-Space Realtor |
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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
503
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Posted - 2014.09.19 09:24:00 -
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Title changed because it mattered more than my OP... I'm trying to facilitate the spreading of ideas so that people spend less time complaining and more time doing.
I'm not focusing on anything in particular. This is not a Hyperion post. Reread OP.
WTB ISD moderation. Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors Brotherhood Of Silent Space
400
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Posted - 2014.09.19 09:54:00 -
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So if CCP dont RollBack with the chnages they made, they should male it more worth to go into W-Space. It is only a game of how much ISK you ern in W-space. (Like everywere in EVE).
Thats why Player move out of the W-Space. Becasue the Risk is to high for what they get out of the W-Space. I Think the People will move Bach into the Holes if more Sleeper Sites Will Spawn. Or more Belts will spawn. Or they bring more stuff in W-Space like. - T2 Materials Belts for Harvesting them , like the normal Belts. - ICE Belts..... (Why not ?) - Sansha Sites ? (Because the Sansha start there Incrusion out of the W-Space ) - Different Sleeper Loot for every WH-Class. So every Wormhole has there Sleeper Loot, and you need Products from all WH Classes for the Production of T3 Ships.
Okay... many of These ideas are from other Player and Corps. As i said , if they encrease the Income in W-Space Player will move back.
Sorry for my bad english.
Greatings from Austria
Kira Hhallas - Austrian EvE Community - ingame =+ûsterreich= -
Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare |
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
503
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Posted - 2014.09.19 09:57:00 -
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What can players do to make it better, if anything at all? This isn't a thread for CCP. Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Agrippa Arkaral
Vertical Rebirth
13
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Posted - 2014.09.19 09:59:00 -
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Xtrah > *dont evict PVP entities*
Scrapping this would be better since it now is basically farm 24/7 and if your sites are out you look for pvp, makes for a stale and boring environment.
Gotta go afk now, sry. |
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
503
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Posted - 2014.09.19 10:01:00 -
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Agrippa Arkaral wrote:Xtrah > *dont evict PVP entities* Define PvP entities. Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
109
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Posted - 2014.09.19 10:16:00 -
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Go into corp contacts. Delete all Blues. Congrats you have X more targets. |
Carlos Agathon
Grumpy Bastards No Response
19
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Posted - 2014.09.19 10:51:00 -
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BayneNothos wrote:Go into corp contacts. Delete all Blues. Congrats you have X more targets.
Because most wh enteties even have blues in the first place. As far as I knew, this wasn't nullsec (yet).
And how about we quit complaining and try to adapt to a changing environment. Wormholes should be the kind of community that gets **** on again and again and says "Well thank you CCP, may I have seconds?".
Will be interesting to see how much activity increases once summer is over.
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Darren Fox
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
54
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Posted - 2014.09.19 10:53:00 -
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(Everything expressed is my personal opinion)
I think we need to look at the game as a whole, not just w-space in isolation.
Fewer players log into the game now compared to the peak period with Retribution. This also affects w-space. At the same time, 0.0 is stagnant and offers vast amounts of "safe" areas to farm in. Even though the potential isk/hour is higher in w-space, 0.0 is considered more convient and has less constraints on skillpoints required, group size etc. Lowsec has also seen some love recently.
Hyperion brought some changes, most of them good, but none of them offered significant incentives for new groups to venture into W-space. There was no "fountain of youth" to lure the colonists to undock.
The Corp and POS mechanics is a major barrier. Sure, it ensures that trust is extremely important for wormholers, creating tight bonds and friendships that last a long time. It also requires the player to make a greater leap than going from highsec -> Low/0.0. "How many do I have to trust?...."
W-space can easily sustain 2x or even 3x the current inhabitants before living/farming space becomes an issue. Everyone that wants to, and can group up, has access to the best sites/anoms/"plex" in the game. Sure, most of the desireable effect/static combinations are occupied, but "we have grown out of our current system, and need to fight our way up" isn't really happening a lot.
Higher numbers would create tension and conflict in itself. I don't see that happening unless wormholers organized a major effort to get pve+pvp corps to move in so that we eventually could fight them. Even doing that would most likely not have a noticable impact.
Bottom line - suggestions: -Wait for a replacement for the current POS', help give feedback to ensure it is less player-hostile than it currently is -Ask/support efforts for actual new content in w-space, i.e. sites & loot you actually want to scout and fight for. The ghost sites offer too little of a total reward. Imagine instead a few sleeper home systems, only connectable by roaming wormholes. Moonless, so you stay in your ship or get out while you can. -Wait for Corp/alliance overhaul, so roles/security are improved -Ask that new K-space (New new Eden) is separate from existing K-space, only accessible through wormholes. Build stargates between the New new Eden systems. |
Jay Joringer
United System's Commonwealth
396
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Posted - 2014.09.19 10:54:00 -
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I donGÇÖt think there had been any doubt to the simplest way of improving or environment: Get more people in more systems. While there are things we can do as a community to this end, those things are very limited and have very little personal incentive. At the high end, we know the rewards are enough, but also understand that the environment can be brutally punishing.
HereGÇÖs where there is a big contrast. Lower classes do not provide income enough to offset these risks. Looking at it from a purely financially rewarding point of view (rather than how rewarding the gameplay is), it makes more sense to stay in highsec and run incursions or even level 4GÇÖs. Fledgling WH groups with ambitions to expand also have the problem of thefts and awoxing, which proportionally, hurts them more than a C5/C6 group who can shrug off a multi-billion ISK loss in short order. So, in short there needs to be better incentives to be in C1-C4 space so that groups can expand, while they are able to safeguard their assets.
As for high-end groups, we seem to see a cyclical fracturing and reforming of large entities. ItGÇÖs been alluded to somewhere else that itGÇÖs human nature to flock together like this, but I have always been of the opinion that in this environment, not only is it unbalanced and unsustainable, but self-defeating. People donGÇÖt like getting blobbed, so they band together with another group to form their own blob then complain when no one wants to fight them GÇô because people donGÇÖt like getting blobbed. ThereGÇÖs no easy solution here, but like the rest of eve, a small number of people in the leadership of every entity has an influence on these attitudes. This is an un-quantified observation (and quite possibly a very oblique reference), but I would estimate that there are more wormhole pilots both inside and outside of WH space than there are good leaders within the environment GÇô what I mean by this is that people have let the environment become more stagnant than it needs to be by always taking the safe option. ThereGÇÖs no magic pill for this, but the environment needs more people to take a risk and create new, smaller groups and commit to make them work. -All that made sense in my head, anyway.
The point of the rant? -Lower classes need better incentives. Some people have said rebalancing blue loot, but I maintain that a new T3 line will re-inflate nano-ribbon prices. Worried about PvP balance? Make them T3 industrials. -Lower classes need better POS security. -Higher end population tends to be too clustered
Always bet on stupid
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1872
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Posted - 2014.09.19 10:57:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:What's it gonna take to please you? With all things being as they are, Hyperion and all... what will make you happy? What do you wanna see happen(ing) that you won't ***** about?
It's only obvious, and sad, that CCP broke wspace for the majority of its residents, so suppose they're not really giving a **** about trying to revert it... What can the player base do to reignite the love for wspace?
I'm moving to a C2. If CCP aren't going to add new content to make wormholes interesting again, it makes more sense to live in a wormhole that has easier access to k-space, as that's where CCP's focus is.
Hidden Fremen wrote:What can players do to make it better, if anything at all? This isn't a thread for CCP. Next to nothing, it's pretty much all on CCP. One group can't bring about change with happy thoughts and telling everyone to play the way they say... Unless you want a big CFC style coalition to dominate wormhole space. +1 |
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