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White Ronin
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Posted - 2006.08.04 22:07:00 -
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What the title says.
With such a large advanced ship, giving both fighter and drone damage/hitpoint bonuss would make more sense.
Or make a carrier that only uses drones.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.08.04 22:12:00 -
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Carriers can use up to 10 drones, 15 with mods unless I'm completly mistaken, so how is that not a bonus?
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Foulis
Minmatar
Chosen Path
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.08.04 22:25:00 -
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 Originally by: White Ronin
Or make a carrier that only uses drones.
It's called a moros.
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Stamm
Amarr
GALAXIAN
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Posted - 2006.08.04 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: White Ronin
What the title says.
With such a large advanced ship, giving both fighter and drone damage/hitpoint bonuss would make more sense.
Or make a carrier that only uses drones.
Trained carriers and can't use fighters?
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BustyBounty
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.04 23:19:00 -
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hes probably annoyed to see his fighters warp after people and then take 30-60seconds to return or for someone to lure them to a few friends who pop them with ease leaving the carrier a sitting duck.
would make sense if carriers had some form of drone bonus anyway as it would make up for the fact non of the drone skills effect fighters at all.
moros is probably better than a carrier right now for small engagements
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White Ronin
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Posted - 2006.08.05 06:10:00 -
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Edited by: White Ronin on 05/08/2006 06:11:04
You can carry more drones.
Smaller sig radius then fighters.
More versions from td to ec.
And being able to throw out 15 with a 10% bonus to damage and hitpoints makes me think they would eat up ships better then frigate sized drones aka fighters.
And yes they do not leave the map, they stay in the area and do what you tell them to do... sometimes.
As anyone done any damage comparisons between 15 fighters and 15 heavy drones with all bonus?
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White Ronin
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Posted - 2006.08.05 06:17:00 -
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CRAP!
At +50% per level to drone damage and hitpoints....
Just damn.
Now why dont they make a carrier with this in mind that only uses drones?
Imagine 15 heavy drone doing 200%+ and that added to the NORMAL drone skill bonus....
Now THAT would be a dedicated drone ship.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.05 06:37:00 -
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If you want a win button vs anything smaller than a dread, fly a moros.
Seriously, we got one ships with absurd drone firepower, we dont' need more.
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D'onryu Shoqui
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.05 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
If you want a win button vs anything smaller than a dread, fly a moros.
Seriously, we got one ships with absurd drone firepower, we dont' need more.
we do  , carriers should be the ultimate ship from people who like drones not a dread.
i'm almost tempted to train the dread skill aswell as carrier merely because of the bonus moros gets for them
kinda crazy that all my drone skills are wasted in a carrier, bet most people who fly carriers have millions of drone SP going to waste also
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White Ronin
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Posted - 2006.08.05 09:50:00 -
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Yeah was just thinking that.
I mean really sucks you cant choose between drones or fighters on a carrier when each would have tactical advantages in differant situations.
Yeah, moros is the real drone ship.
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.05 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: White Ronin
Yeah was just thinking that.
I mean really sucks you cant choose between drones or fighters on a carrier when each would have tactical advantages in differant situations.
Yeah, moros is the real drone ship.
You can choose between fighters and normal drones, and the drones get an effective +20% damage and hit points.
However, explore the concept that they aren't meant to be using standard drones and that the only standard drones that are actually different or better than fighters is the sentry drones (highly inadvicable in a slow ship) and the utility/EWar drones which are in fact 10% better per carrier level than in any other drone carrier (in the case of EV drones, they are actually even more efficient than that).
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D'onryu Shoqui
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.05 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 05/08/2006 10:09:08
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You can choose between fighters and normal drones, and the drones get an effective +20% damage and hit points.
not from the carrier itself though, silly that carrier needs a skill that doesnt apply to fighters in the first place, might aswell give dreads a req of exhumer lvl1
atleast give motherships a boost to normal drones if not regular carriers
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.05 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
Quote:
You can choose between fighters and normal drones, and the drones get an effective +20% damage and hit points.
not from the carrier itself though.
atleast give motherships a boost to normal drones if not regular carriers
+1 Drone per level = +20% effective bonus
+3 Drones per level = +60% effective bonus
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D'onryu Shoqui
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.05 10:26:00 -
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oh you mean because of the number of drones u can launch 
carrier still needs a real drone bonus or for some of the drone skills ,atleast drone int to effect fighters.
may aswell give carrier exhumer req because it can use mining drones , makes about as much sense to me
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.05 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
oh you mean because of the number of drones u can launch
carrier still needs a real drone bonus or for some of the drone skills ,atleast drone int to effect fighters.
may aswell give carrier exhumer req because it can use mining drones , makes about as much sense to me
That's a point that's been bugging me, too, Fighters should be it's own category. There's so many possibilities with that.
Though still, they do NOT need a "real" drone bonus. When you're THAT close to the enemy, you've failed and deserve to die.
PvE applications in capital ships makes the Gods cry. (I'm Intaki, I'm allowed to be religious and I don't need to believe in one god)
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D'onryu Shoqui
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.05 10:53:00 -
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Though still, they do NOT need a "real" drone bonus. When you're THAT close to the enemy, you've failed and deserve to die.
tuxford claimed months ago carriers would get a boost to get them out of safespots which he thinks is a boring use and onto the front lines, if that really ever happens im sure a real drone bonus be needed if people are just going to warp around with your fighters laughing at you in local
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Spurgo
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Posted - 2006.08.05 11:11:00 -
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Yes i believe that all carriers could get a bonus like +25% damage to all drones.
At this point when u pilot a carrier and 10 hacs attack u u can use 10 ogre T2 and make some nice dmg, with fighters u'll be w/o defences because the hacs can warp too fast and your fighters will contninually chase em w/o makin any pretty dmg.
So i think that a +25% dmg to all drones should work nicely in this situations.
Another thing that could be applied is a simple button:
Fighters warp YES
Fighters warp NO
When u switch it to NO your fighters WILL NOT chase your enemy in warp.
This little button could solve many many many problems that a carrier's pilot have fighting fast warping ships.
Thas't only my ideas
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Dan Grobag
Caldari
Holiday On ICE
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Posted - 2006.08.05 12:47:00 -
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i remember t2 drones doing like 600dps and fighters 900dps with a carrier that is not a thanatos.
drones cost way less and you can field way more of them.
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Clone runner
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Posted - 2006.08.05 13:14:00 -
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to a ship with no hardners
a thanatos with ten ogre II's would do around 600dps
ten firbolgs would do around 1800 dps (unless eve geek is counting drone skill towards fighter dmg in which case it would be alot lower)
domi with five ogre II's would do around 475 dps
moros with five ogre II's would do around 1108 dps.
drones might cost alot less doesnt stop moros from not beeing that far from a carriers dps and having a huge tank.
with sentry drones i bet it wouldnt even be that far off matching a carriers dps.
now which is the ultimate drone ship? doesnt look like carriers to me unless you take into accounts fighters beeing able to warp but that isnt a bonus or people wouldnt be asking for an option to stop them warping
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Spurgo
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Posted - 2006.08.05 15:31:00 -
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right!
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.05 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Clone runner
ten firbolgs would do around 1800 dps (unless eve geek is counting drone skill towards fighter dmg in which case it would be alot lower)
It's counting it wrong. No normal drone skills aply. Damage from a max skilled Thanatos with no drone control modules is 1250 dps.
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