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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:01:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Star Gates seem to be of a different design depending on which faction sovereignty the system is but am I correct that only CONCORD are able to lock access to any of them ? and this only occurs when you are criminally flagged for initiating PVP aggression ?
Stargates look like the empire they reside in (or in null, the empire faction the rats are enemy of).
CONCORD or a weapons timer can stop you from using gates. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4513
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:04:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:ShahFluffers wrote: - Limited Engagement Timer: I'm a little fuzzy on this one... but I believe it means that you can engage the people listed in it freely. This timer lasts for 10 minutes.
It is to do with attacking someone with a suspect flag,it brings that flag up as soon as you engage, the result of which is that they can fire back. Given that it is 15 mins they could potentially go get a bigger ship. If you shoot their frigate that stole from your wreck for instance then just sit there salvaging the rest of the battlefield. But from my experience they prefer to just use an indestructible frigate.
Not completely true.
A limited flag is gained when ever someone shoots you...period.
If you shoot a suspect, it opens a limited engagement timer between you 2. If someone ganks you, it opens a limited engagment timer between you 2. If someone duel invites you and you accept, it opens a LE timer betwen you 2.
But instead of this stupid theorycrafting, why don't you just go out and play and find out as you go.
No offense, but in this thread, there are some things that I find really useless (like if a stargate is owned by CONCORD or not). Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4513
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:06:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Limited engagement timers are 5 minutes From when the shooting stops
Yeah.
So, they are 5 minutes...period
If I keep shoothing you for 20 minutes, your statement they are 15 minutes is also wrong.
Loyd's answer is correct. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5142
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:57:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:ShahFluffers wrote: - Limited Engagement Timer: I'm a little fuzzy on this one... but I believe it means that you can engage the people listed in it freely. This timer lasts for 10 minutes.
It is to do with attacking someone with a suspect flag,it brings that flag up as soon as you engage, the result of which is that they can fire back. Given that it is 15 mins they could potentially go get a bigger ship. If you shoot their frigate that stole from your wreck for instance then just sit there salvaging the rest of the battlefield. But from my experience they prefer to just use an indestructible frigate. 5 minuets, however activation of any hostile module will renew this.
see link in sig for excessive use of this mechanic (though i do not re-ship) =]I[= |
Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:54:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:
No offense, but in this thread, there are some things that I find really useless (like if a stargate is owned by CONCORD or not).
I would call them one of the most strategic object in the game, it surprises me that who owns them appears to be of no significance. So hence my question, is it really so ?
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
5 minuets, however activation of any hostile module will renew this.
Yes from when the aggression stops you have 5 mins before your right to retaliate runs out. As activating a hostile module extends the time, limited engagement will last as long as the ships do or they decide to cease fire for some reason. See, you didn't know you had a problem until I solved it. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5146
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:00:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
5 minuets, however activation of any hostile module will renew this.
Yes from when the aggression stops you have 5 mins before your right to retaliate runs out. As activating a hostile module extends the time, limited engagement will last as long as the ships do or they decide to cease fire for some reason. no, not the ships, you can lose the ship and then the pod re-ship and still be a valid target if its within the le timer.
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:13:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:
If you shoot a suspect, it opens a limited engagement timer between you 2. If someone ganks you, it opens a limited engagment timer between you 2. If someone duel invites you and you accept, it opens a LE timer betwen you 2.
Limited Engagement flag does come up whenever you shoot someone but it is most significant when shooting a suspect because in high sec, prior to that point they were unable to shoot you without dire concordquences
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
no, not the ships, you can lose the ship and then the pod re-ship and still be a valid target if its within the le timer.
Ships plural, if you can call a pod a ship but I had probably best not as it might confuse things.
See, you didn't know you had a problem until I solved it. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
4141
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:23:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:ShahFluffers wrote: - Limited Engagement Timer: I'm a little fuzzy on this one... but I believe it means that you can engage the people listed in it freely. This timer lasts for 10 minutes.
It is to do with attacking someone with a suspect flag,it brings that flag up as soon as you engage, the result of which is that they can fire back. Given that it is 15 mins they could potentially go get a bigger ship. If you shoot their frigate that stole from your wreck for instance then just sit there salvaging the rest of the battlefield. But from my experience they prefer to just use an indestructible frigate. Not completely true. A limited flag is gained when ever someone shoots you...period. If you shoot a suspect, it opens a limited engagement timer between you 2. If someone ganks you, it opens a limited engagment timer between you 2. If someone duel invites you and you accept, it opens a LE timer betwen you 2.
Someone shooting you doesn't always give a player a limited engagement.
To get a Limited Engagement Flag, you must shoot a suspect, a criminal, an outlaw, or accept a duel. Someone simply attacking you will not give you an LE flag unless you are already a suspect, criminal, or outlaw.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5146
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:42:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:J'Poll wrote:
If you shoot a suspect, it opens a limited engagement timer between you 2. If someone ganks you, it opens a limited engagment timer between you 2. If someone duel invites you and you accept, it opens a LE timer betwen you 2.
Limited Engagement flag does come up whenever you shoot someone but it is most significant when shooting a suspect because in high sec, prior to that point they were unable to shoot you without dire concordquences Ah, I see where you are going with this. If someone is stealing loot from wrecks in one of your missions and have a suspect flag (flashing yellow by default) they cannot harm you directly.
They require you to fire upon them ,flagging both of you in a limited engagement before they can activate any hostile module without getting CONCORDed.
Now they can target you, bump you, shoot a mobile tractor unit, set repair drones on you but you must fire first for them to actually hurt you.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
no, not the ships, you can lose the ship and then the pod re-ship and still be a valid target if its within the le timer.
Ships plural, if you can call a pod a ship but I had probably best not as it might confuse things.
[/quote] my point was you could lose both, and then another ship if you re-engaged before the timer is up. =]I[= |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
6165
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:28:00 -
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In all honesty Nevil, just go out and try stuff.
We can try to explain everything to the best of our abilities, but you won't really get a firm grasp until you actually experience these mechanics first-hand.
And when you do, you will realize that it isn't really necessary to nitpick or know every detail of the aggression and flagging system. Just keep a few "rules-of-thumb" in mind and you should be good to go.
Hell... even though I am wrong about about the exact length of the timers I still function pretty well... probably because I ignore most timers (except for the criminal one) and have adopted a "if it is not listed as friendly to me then it is probably going to shoot me... so I should either run or shoot first" mentality. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:38:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: my point was you could lose both, and then another ship if you re-engaged before the timer is up.
Yes it could potentially be that exciting.. wonder how many ships you could lose in a week of war ?
See, you didn't know you had a problem until I solved it. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5147
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Posted - 2014.09.24 20:12:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote: my point was you could lose both, and then another ship if you re-engaged before the timer is up.
Yes it could potentially be that exciting.. wonder how many ships you could lose in a week of war ? As many as you can afford, if you're talking newbie ships, literally as many as you have time to.
Best advice I can give is go out and shoot someone in the face, like right now. =]I[= |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4520
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Posted - 2014.09.24 21:08:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:J'Poll wrote:
No offense, but in this thread, there are some things that I find really useless (like if a stargate is owned by CONCORD or not).
I would call them one of the most strategic object in the game, it surprises me that who owns them appears to be of no significance. So hence my question, is it really so ?
Simple. Because gates themself do nothing but giving you access to another system, who owns them has NOTHING of matter.
You warp to them and jump... That's all there is to it (for now though - Player created gates incoming). Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4520
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Posted - 2014.09.24 21:11:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote: my point was you could lose both, and then another ship if you re-engaged before the timer is up.
Yes it could potentially be that exciting.. wonder how many ships you could lose in a week of war ?
I would lose over 100, becuase I rather go out and die trying to get a kill then to run away like most cowards in EVE.
EVE is about fun, not your ISK amounts or killboard stats or nitpicking about useless info or what so ever.
Go out, do stuff, have fun....and you won EVE. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.09.24 21:30:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:So the reason some NPC pirates will not shoot until you shoot at them is nothing to do with CONCORD.
It is because they are scared and are hoping you will leave them alone. You assume to much.
I have worse vices See, you didn't know you had a problem until I solved it. |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2014.09.24 23:40:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:I have worse vices That is clear.
If you'd do a little more research and a little less arguing you'd get your questions cleared up a lot faster. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
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Cannibal Kane
My Little Pony of the Apocalypse Cannibal Empire
4365
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Posted - 2014.09.25 01:01:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:So the reason some NPC pirates will not shoot until you shoot at them is nothing to do with CONCORD.
It is because they are scared and are hoping you will leave them alone. You assume to much. I have worse vices
If you are so bothered about fighting. Just declare war on me.
You will love it. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
6169
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Posted - 2014.09.25 03:28:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:So the reason some NPC pirates will not shoot until you shoot at them is nothing to do with CONCORD.
It is because they are scared and are hoping you will leave them alone. You assume to much. I have worse vices If you are so bothered about fighting. Just declare war on me. You will love it. Dis gon b gud. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.09.25 09:39:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:
If you are so bothered about fighting. Just declare war on me.
You will love it.
Well this is in fact another point I would like to clarify even if some have decided I am arguing.. lol
I can't actually declare war on anybody because I'm not the CEO. and if I am correct, an individual character cannot declare war on another player character, only a player corporation can declare war on another player corporation.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Best advice I can give is go out and shoot someone in the face, like right now.
Which is of course priceless even if the novelty of going home in a pod might wear thin after the first 300000 times.
See, you didn't know you had a problem until I solved it. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.09.25 09:45:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:So the reason some NPC pirates will not shoot until you shoot at them is nothing to do with CONCORD.
It is because they are scared and are hoping you will leave them alone. You assume to much. I have worse vices If you are so bothered about fighting. Just declare war on me. You will love it. Dis gon b gud.
Let me know the system, I will bring the popcorn. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.09.25 09:46:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote: Which is of course priceless even if the novelty of going home in a pod might wear thin after the first 300000 times.
Wow, you already lost 300k ships...Not even I have done that, and I suck at PvP Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:14:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:
Wow, you already lost 300k ships...Not even I have done that, and I suck at PvP
The novelty might wear thin but there's me assuming things again.
Correction: I wrote *Might* therefore technically accepting there is a possibility that it won't. I wonder what you what will be like when I actually do decide to disagree with you over something ? See, you didn't know you had a problem until I solved it. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4534
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:46:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:J'Poll wrote:
Wow, you already lost 300k ships...Not even I have done that, and I suck at PvP
The novelty might wear thin but there's me assuming things again. Correction: I wrote *Might* therefore technically accepting there is a possibility that it won't. I wonder what you what will be like when I actually do decide to disagree with you over something ?
Well, so far all losses I personally had were fun (some not when it happened - Like the one time I took a Tayra out of Jita 4-4 with couple of PLEX in the hold) but in the end, every loss has a story behind it and after all they in the end are just space-pixels belonging to a game, so if you can't laugh off a loss, then you take this game WAY to serious.
Hell, people in a fleet that I used to run with a lot as a scout found it funny that no matter what the enemy had, I went for it, head first. Even to the point where 2 scouts for the fleet already were reshipping into new ships before the fleet officially undocked because we were playing with a gatecamp while waiting for the fleet. By the time the fleet was ready to jump into null-sec and FC asked for scout report, we had to announce we were actually "behind" the fleet because of stupidity. Not the finest moment when you know there are a lot of people with the fleet new to PvP and relying on you for some good action, guidance and teaching and then they hear those that should provide it die first Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.09.25 12:36:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:
Hell, people in a fleet that I used to run with a lot as a scout found it funny that no matter what the enemy had, I went for it, head first.
There seems quite a lot to Eve, the scale/scope of it is quite impressive, It is science fiction and that is always a good excuse to create things that help game play and no one can say it can't be done or it doesn't exist. It incorporates RPG character development, It has tactics and logistics all the way from interstellar empires to arcade shoot em up.
My best advise is go out and shoot someone in the face which technically is from any direction because all ships are counted as a spherical target but in reality I don't have any advice because the best thing to do will soon become different depending on where you are, who you are and the opportunities that come up. See, you didn't know you had a problem until I solved it. |
Cannibal Kane
My Little Pony of the Apocalypse Cannibal Empire
4382
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:43:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:
If you are so bothered about fighting. Just declare war on me.
You will love it.
Well this is in fact another point I would like to clarify even if some have decided I am arguing.. lol I can't actually declare war on anybody because I'm not the CEO. and if I am correct, an individual character cannot declare war on another player character, only a player corporation can declare war on another player corporation. Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Best advice I can give is go out and shoot someone in the face, like right now.
Which is of course priceless even if the novelty of going home in a pod might wear thin after the first 300000 times.
Then I will Declare on your corp when I get back from my travels with my 1 man alliance. Your CEO is going to love you. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk |
Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:59:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:
Then I will Declare on your corp when I get back from my travels with my 1 man alliance. Your CEO is going to love you.
Dunno, not seen a trace of him for about 6 weeks, he's gone off to sulk about the manufacturing changes in the last patch. See, you didn't know you had a problem until I solved it. |
Cannibal Kane
My Little Pony of the Apocalypse Cannibal Empire
4385
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Posted - 2014.09.25 23:32:00 -
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For somebody that want to engage others for potential isk gain you sure do seem to be pretty skittish about somebody coming after you.
This is the only way I earn ISK in this game, by shooting at other people.
This is why I cannot take people like you serious. You works on assumptions and information posting on internet based on others that hardly do it themselves instead of just doing it yourself. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk |
Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.09.26 00:24:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:For somebody that want to engage others for potential isk gain you sure do seem to be pretty skittish about somebody coming after you.
This is the only way I earn ISK in this game, by shooting at other people.
This is why I cannot take people like you serious. You works on assumptions and information posting on internet based on others that hardly do it themselves instead of just doing it yourself.
I see, your technique is to try to hurt players pride so they will do something stupid, well as interesting as that is,my post here is not part of my game strategy, it is just my curiosity about the game mechanisms. I'm not attempting to obtain ISK or a kill from any of you. See, you didn't know you had a problem until I solved it. |
Cannibal Kane
My Little Pony of the Apocalypse Cannibal Empire
4385
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Posted - 2014.09.26 00:27:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote: or a kill from any of you.
You will never be able to kill me.
In space I am the solo predator.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk |
Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.09.26 00:32:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote: or a kill from any of you. You will never be able to kill me. In space I am the solo predator.
And an amusing one, I'm liking the style See, you didn't know you had a problem until I solved it. |
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