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Lasairiona Raske
Offworld Trading Company
133
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:19:00 -
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It's been happening to me about the same time every day. Weird. |
Bro Tatoe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:20:00 -
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Out of curiousity what exactly do you do to the people that do these DDOS attacks? Is it illegal and if so do you report them? Is there any way of finding who they are?
Also if i lose a ship due to these issues will it be replaced or will i get the "Our logs dont show anything" answer? |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
21
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:21:00 -
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Meh. Pls falcon punch the "hackers" when you find them. |
Grace Chang
Black Phoenix Legion The Fourth District
45
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:21:00 -
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Neckbeard Nolyfe wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:For the past several weeks, Tranquility has been the target of a persistent series of DDOS attacks, which have been responsible for connection issues that our players have been experiencing.
Up until this point, for security reasons we have been referring to these attacks as GÇ£network issuesGÇ¥ so as not to provide the attackers with increased visibility. However, we can see that these issues are at times proving to be frustrating for our players, and as such we would like to be more transparent about the issue to allow better understanding of the situation.
Our teams have been working tirelessly to address these attacks, but by their nature they are extremely difficult to predict. We will continue to counter these attacks as they occur, in our efforts to provide you as much uninterrupted internet spaceship fun as possible.
Thank you for your understanding, and apologies for any inconvenience the interruptions have been causing.
<3
Seems to me that you have a lot of unhappy customers. #removehyperionfromwh's
You don't need a lot of unhappy customers. You just need one *******/brat. |
ripper1 Tivianne
Cyberdyne Industrial Initiative Northern Associates.
5
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:22:00 -
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up and running now, |
Nalia White
Tencus
53
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:23:00 -
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well it was obvious there is a ddos series ongoing. i played 3 years without any disconnects (except the one time a glass fell on the internet router from my desk lol)
i also have the same suspicion as many here who could be behind this... let's prepare the pitchforks!!!!
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Celly S
Concord Attraction Services The Ditanian Alliance
281
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:27:00 -
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As a Technician IRL, this has shown several signs of a DDOS and I have stated as much in my comments on FB.
Frustrating as it is, keep up the good work guys
o/ Celly Smunt Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Grace Chang
Black Phoenix Legion The Fourth District
45
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:27:00 -
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Bro Tatoe wrote:Out of curiousity what exactly do you do to the people that do these DDOS attacks? Is it illegal and if so do you report them? Is there any way of finding who they are?
Also if i lose a ship due to these issues will it be replaced or will i get the "Our logs dont show anything" answer?
Usually you can do jack ****. DDoS attacks used to be mainly carried out via so called "amplifiers", i.e. where a reply in a protocol design was much higher then a request. Combined with spoofed IP src addresses you could use that to run DDoS attacks (earliest variant as far as i recall was so called "smurf attack", which used ICMP on broadcast addresses). Nowadays you just need little $ to rent a bunch of russian botnets. There is little you can do as an individual, backbone network providers and software providers can do something about it, but even they have a tough time. And yes, it is my job to know this :)
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
100
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:30:00 -
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2889
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:30:00 -
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The only ones who should pay of a reimbursement are those doing the DDOS attack.
No one else. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
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Black Froggy
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:32:00 -
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Grace Chang wrote:Tam Althor wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:For the past several weeks, Tranquility has been the target of a persistent series of DDOS attacks, which have been responsible for connection issues that our players have been experiencing.
Up until this point, for security reasons we have been referring to these attacks as GÇ£network issuesGÇ¥ so as not to provide the attackers with increased visibility. However, we can see that these issues are at times proving to be frustrating for our players, and as such we would like to be more transparent about the issue to allow better understanding of the situation.
Our teams have been working tirelessly to address these attacks, but by their nature they are extremely difficult to predict. We will continue to counter these attacks as they occur, in our efforts to provide you as much uninterrupted internet spaceship fun as possible.
Thank you for your understanding, and apologies for any inconvenience the interruptions have been causing.
<3
TLDR enough players have cancelled their subs with the socket closed problem as the reason. Since we don't want to get fired we will finally tell the players what is actually happening... once again business as usual in the CCP offices. Everyone knew already it was a DDoS attack. Obvious is obvious. No ISP is THAT incompetent with routing over a prolonged time span.
I some time unplug a cable from my router and then calling it DDoS |
Canenald
Rubella Solaris Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:32:00 -
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Grace Chang wrote: Usually you can do jack ****. DDoS attacks used to be mainly carried out via so called "amplifiers", i.e. where a reply in a protocol design was much higher then a request. Combined with spoofed IP src addresses you could use that to run DDoS attacks (earliest variant as far as i recall was so called "smurf attack", which used ICMP on broadcast addresses). Nowadays you just need little $ to rent a bunch of russian botnets. There is little you can do as an individual, backbone network providers and software providers can do something about it, but even they have a tough time. And yes, it is my job to know this :)
You just read up on it, didn't you? |
anthie
Biggest Dickest
17
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:33:00 -
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Grace Chang wrote:Bro Tatoe wrote:Out of curiousity what exactly do you do to the people that do these DDOS attacks? Is it illegal and if so do you report them? Is there any way of finding who they are?
Also if i lose a ship due to these issues will it be replaced or will i get the "Our logs dont show anything" answer? Usually you can do jack ****. DDoS attacks used to be mainly carried out via so called "amplifiers", i.e. where a reply in a protocol design was much higher then a request. Combined with spoofed IP src addresses you could use that to run DDoS attacks (earliest variant as far as i recall was so called "smurf attack", which used ICMP on broadcast addresses). Nowadays you just need little $ to rent a bunch of russian botnets. There is little you can do as an individual, backbone network providers and software providers can do something about it, but even they have a tough time. And yes, it is my job to know this :)
Somewhat correct :-)
And yes its my job to know this. |
Grace Chang
Black Phoenix Legion The Fourth District
45
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:33:00 -
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Canenald wrote:Grace Chang wrote: Usually you can do jack ****. DDoS attacks used to be mainly carried out via so called "amplifiers", i.e. where a reply in a protocol design was much higher then a request. Combined with spoofed IP src addresses you could use that to run DDoS attacks (earliest variant as far as i recall was so called "smurf attack", which used ICMP on broadcast addresses). Nowadays you just need little $ to rent a bunch of russian botnets. There is little you can do as an individual, backbone network providers and software providers can do something about it, but even they have a tough time. And yes, it is my job to know this :)
You just read up on it, didn't you?
No. |
Moloney
Faceless Men
164
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:34:00 -
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Try rolling back Hyperion and see if it has an effect. There are a lot of Russians in wh space. :-) |
Triturus Alpestris
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:34:00 -
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Wow, this is sad. :/ |
Ryan Paladin
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Black Legion.
8
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:35:00 -
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I was going to say "X group must be mad" but when I started thinking about it half of Eve is butt hurt enough at any given moment to do this... |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
940
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:35:00 -
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Let's see who is mad this time.
CCP You should just make the Volcanoes erupt as revenge. |
Vatueil
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:36:00 -
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I unsubbed my accounts due to ccps **** poor customer service.
Tldr Ccp don't blame other people for your lack of empathy towards your paying customers, we'll quite happily leave with our wallets.
Also yes we are nerds we can all watch ddos attacks as they happen. |
Siege Torpedo
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:36:00 -
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Down with DDOSING F*****s. |
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Original XZilla
Free Range Holdings Sindication
1
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:37:00 -
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Well, who can be angry? Since we've only had this problem since the release of Hyperion, maybe it's all of those who now have to pay to use their own POS? Maybe the industry crowd is upset at the increased job set up costs? Maybe the refiners are angry because of the loss of refining in spite of the increased yield? Maybe it's the PLEX crowd who are expecting the cost to rise to 1 billion, which turns this "game" into a part time job? Who know's who is upset and decided to attack the CCP servers? Certainly not me. |
Grace Chang
Black Phoenix Legion The Fourth District
45
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:38:00 -
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Ryan Paladin wrote:I was going to say "X group must be mad" but when I started thinking about it half of Eve is butt hurt enough at any given moment to do this...
Well since it is clearly very criminal (you would go to jail for it in most jurisdictions and go bankrupt in the process), it seems to be very personal. Probably someone who got fired or has some financial stake in it. Why would anyone attack an Online game otherwise for extended periods of time. |
Black Froggy
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:40:00 -
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Grace Chang wrote:Ryan Paladin wrote:I was going to say "X group must be mad" but when I started thinking about it half of Eve is butt hurt enough at any given moment to do this... Well since it is clearly very criminal (you would go to jail for it in most jurisdictions and go bankrupt in the process), it seems to be very personal. Probably someone who got fired or has some financial stake in it. Why would anyone attack an Online game otherwise for extended periods of time.
you must be high or incredibly stupid |
Steijn
Quay Industries
589
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:40:00 -
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Original XZilla wrote:Well, who can be angry? Since we've only had this problem since the release of Hyperion, maybe it's all of those who now have to pay to use their own POS? Maybe the industry crowd is upset at the increased job set up costs? Maybe the refiners are angry because of the loss of refining in spite of the increased yield? Maybe it's the PLEX crowd who are expecting the cost to rise to 1 billion, which turns this "game" into a part time job? Who know's who is upset and decided to attack the CCP servers? Certainly not me.
it has happened on occasions in the past, but only regularly started happening once Somer got banned. |
Atum
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
110
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:44:00 -
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Analeesa wrote:Hate to have to ask but is there no hope for better mitigation in the near future? Not really... DDoS attacks are stupidly easy to initiate, and damn near impossible to stop. A quick (and oversimplified) description of how a normal internet connection works, using web browsing as an example...
Client walks up to Server and knocks on door #80. Server opens the door, says "Hey, how are ya? Which of your pipes should I send the webpages back through?" Client says "Ehh, #2503 looks pretty bored, use that one." Server says "Ok, here's your webpage. Happy surfing!"
In a DDoS, though, the process looks like this: Zombie walks up to Sever and knocks on door #80 Server opens the door, says "Hey, how are ya? Which of your pipes.....?" Zombie stands there like a... well... like a zombie. Server says "Uhh, dude, you knocked on the door. How do you want this?" Zombie wobbles a little, maybe mumbles something to the effect of "Braaaaaiiiiinnnnnnssssss......" Server says "No, really dude, you asked for it. I can even give you fries with that if you like." Zombie shambles down the street, dropping a limb here or there for good measure. Server says, "What a freak, I give up." Zombie slowly stumbles back and starts the process all over again.
Basically, the idea is that a normal connection is quick and over with. A DDoS, though, ties up the server's resources as it's sitting there, waiting for the zombie (and that's what botnet victims are generally called) to actually complete the service request. That resource exhaustion is what eventually causes the server to crash out (or in our case, disconnect the socket). |
Grace Chang
Black Phoenix Legion The Fourth District
45
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:49:00 -
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Analeesa wrote:Hate to have to ask but is there no hope for better mitigation in the near future? Constant downtime is really getting infuriating as I'm always either losing a ship to it or losing out on relic sites.
Mitigation options depend on how sophisticated the attack is. You can filter out the network packets if you have any chance to differentiate them from legitimate packets. That is a service so called "DDoS protection" providers provide. However if you can't differentiate the attack network packets from legitimate packets (i.e. the attacker emulates for example an application layer handshake) you are screwed. You can of course also block entire network segments, but considering that eve players come from everywhere that is probably not an option.
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Rain6637
Team Evil
19630
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:51:00 -
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there will be no rumor mongering. only mastering. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Omega Crendraven
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
202
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:53:00 -
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OK GUYS LETS BLAME ISP O7 O7 O7 " REMOVE RLML remove rlml you are worst light missile, you are the missile idiot you are the missile smell. return to rubicon. to our hml cousins you may come our fitting. you may live in the hangarGǪ.ahahahaha" CCP Rise |
Sattracer
Dragon Claw Sovereignty
0
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:55:00 -
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http://www.buddypedia.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ccp-ping1-300x129.jpg
6 dead hops at London. Not exactly a "minor" thing if you ask me. Had this verified with Time Warner's NOC.
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loquacious7
Pawnstars INC The Obsidian Front
3
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Posted - 2014.09.22 18:56:00 -
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Keep up the good fight. No one should be above the EULA. No one should be this butt hurt for this long , Looser. ;) find another game to exploit and let us get back to serious ship spinning. |
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