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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.09.23 09:44:00 -
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As a preemptive post, to avoid my urge to rant if things go bad, I kindly ask to when you reach Black ops and Recons, keep some consistency to what you guys made on the base hulls. Please make the panther and the Huggin missile boats.
Making the redeemer a neut boat would be great flavor as well. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.23 10:02:00 -
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Step back you leave my panther out of this it's arty and cloak speed make it great for med to large fleets and is auto dps is great for hot drops. I don't need a missile boat that can't even apply dps to a ship holding still. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid Overload Everything
611
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Posted - 2014.09.23 10:15:00 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Step back you leave my panther out of this it's arty and cloak speed make it great for med to large fleets and is auto dps is great for hot drops. I don't need a missile boat that can't even apply dps to a ship holding still.
As above for my Panther and also please leave my Redeemer out of this, I like the pretty lights that burn.
As to the Huginn, do what you want I really couldn't care that much. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
588
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Posted - 2014.09.23 10:20:00 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Step back you leave my panther out of this it's arty and cloak speed make it great for med to large fleets and is auto dps is great for hot drops. I don't need a missile boat that can't even apply dps to a ship holding still. Second that. Oh wait.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything. |
Baali Tekitsu
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
637
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Posted - 2014.09.23 10:27:00 -
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As someone in progress of training for the Sin I fully support and endorse the missile Panther idea, sounds absolutely great to me. The Sin could indeed use some application bonuses on Sentries and Heavies. And give it an active tanking bonus maybe for small drop fleets. You might nerf Battleship Missiles on the way aswell. RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2014.09.23 10:43:00 -
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Get your filthy hands off my Panther, you heathens. If you want a missile blops, use the Widow. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.09.23 10:55:00 -
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Over all the blops are in a good place they do there job. (Sin could use some work)
As for recon ccp already said they were in the queue with bombers |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1651
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Posted - 2014.09.23 11:35:00 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Step back you leave my panther out of this it's arty and cloak speed make it great for med to large fleets and is auto dps is great for hot drops. I don't need a missile boat that can't even apply dps to a ship holding still.
Making panther missiel based would make it MUCH more powerful. It is nearly a joke right now. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
58
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Posted - 2014.09.23 11:44:00 -
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How is it a joke as it stands the panther is able to alpha ships of the field and Re cloak b4 the enemy ft even knows it's there and auto canons have much better damage Aplication then RHML. torps are a joke against anything smaller then a battleship and the only advantage cruise missiles have is range and at that point you ate better off with arty so tippy don't need 3+ tps on your target |
Gosti Kahanid
GANOR Deep Space Explorers GANOR INC.
63
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Posted - 2014.09.23 14:33:00 -
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When I see the two different Camps, leave it be or change it like the others, why not do both. Give these ships the Bonuses for both Systems so the Pilot can decide how to fit and fly them. There are just up to 8 High Slots |
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Madbuster73
V0LTA Triumvirate.
119
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Posted - 2014.09.23 14:36:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:As a preemptive post, to avoid my urge to rant if things go bad, I kindly ask to when you reach Black ops and Recons, keep some consistency to what you guys made on the base hulls. Please make the panther and the Huggin missile boats.
Making the redeemer a neut boat would be great flavor as well.
Keep your hands of my Redeemer!!
But Please Remove the Scan Resolution Penalty for using a cloak on the Black Ops. Its kinda ridicilous that the Black Ops gets a penalty for using a cloak.
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Aivlis Eldelbar
Ubuntu Inc. The Fourth District
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Posted - 2014.09.23 16:22:00 -
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Madbuster73 wrote:
But Please Remove the Scan Resolution Penalty for using a cloak on the Black Ops. Its kinda ridicilous that the Black Ops gets a penalty for using a cloak.
This ^^ |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
703
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Posted - 2014.09.23 18:39:00 -
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Missile panther sounds beasty if it remains as agile/fast as it currently is.
The base cargo for BOs should also be looked at, ships with less low slots need more base cargo to be able to compete in the L4-distro sector. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Alundil
Isogen 5
668
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Posted - 2014.09.23 18:40:00 -
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Aivlis Eldelbar wrote:Madbuster73 wrote:
But Please Remove the Scan Resolution Penalty for using a cloak on the Black Ops. Its kinda ridicilous that the Black Ops gets a penalty for using a cloak.
This ^^ Both this-es
I'm right behind you |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.09.23 18:50:00 -
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Alundil wrote:Aivlis Eldelbar wrote:Madbuster73 wrote:
But Please Remove the Scan Resolution Penalty for using a cloak on the Black Ops. Its kinda ridicilous that the Black Ops gets a penalty for using a cloak.
This ^^ Both this-es I also ises thises.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
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Posted - 2014.09.23 19:33:00 -
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Samillian wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Step back you leave my panther out of this it's arty and cloak speed make it great for med to large fleets and is auto dps is great for hot drops. I don't need a missile boat that can't even apply dps to a ship holding still. As above for my Panther and also please leave my Redeemer out of this, I like the pretty lights that burn. As to the Huginn, do what you want I really couldn't care that much.
I am with these guys about the Panther, it might need love but it doesn't need missiles.. Even if I don't fly mine right now I may want to some day.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
61
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Posted - 2014.09.23 22:07:00 -
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Madbuster73 wrote: But Please Remove the Scan Resolution Penalty for using a cloak on the Black Ops. Its kinda ridicilous that the Black Ops gets a penalty for using a cloak.
There base scan res was already balanced around this so if they remove the penalty they will just lower there res. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
823
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Posted - 2014.09.24 01:12:00 -
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I do like the idea of making the huginn a dedicated missile boat, likewise I'd like to see the rapier a feasible albeit limited artillery platform.
Panther would be better off IMO getting both 5 missile and 5 turret slots and appropriate bonuses so pilots have a bit of flavor to choose from and an extension of whatever choice they made weapons wise i.e. it should be feasible to train up a min line just using missiles if you wanted with cyclone, huginn, claymore, bellicose, etc. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1553
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Posted - 2014.09.24 03:08:00 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: There base scan res was already balanced around this so if they remove the penalty they will just lower there res.
Sin 140 Kronos 120 Dominix & Navy 90 Sin with Cloak Penalty 84
Sorry, what were you saying about balanced around cloak penalty? Unless you mean making a 'hit & run' ship have the slowest lock time of the races Battleship line is balanced. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
61
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Posted - 2014.09.24 03:13:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: There base scan res was already balanced around this so if they remove the penalty they will just lower there res.
Sin 140 Kronos 120 Dominix & Navy 90 Sin with Cloak Penalty 84 Sorry, what were you saying about balanced around cloak penalty? Unless you mean making a 'hit & run' ship have the slowest lock time of the races Battleship line is balanced.
but the highest w/o and its scan res with is 100 not 84 so its higher then its T1 hull and just under the marauder |
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Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
207
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Posted - 2014.09.24 14:42:00 -
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Widow == Missiles
Why would you want 2 out of 4 in the same class ship to have missiles? That's just bad design.
Train gunnery or buy a Widow. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
823
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:28:00 -
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There is a perfectly legit reason to train up min and not cal and missiles but not gunnery, but it does need a bit more "enablement" in certain ship classes, I definitely don't think that the panther should be just missiles or by extension just guns.
As such there is a perfectly legit reason for the panther to have both 5 launcher/5 turret hard points.
Too much pigeonholing is the worse possible thing you could do with a game like eve online. |
Heat-seeking Moisture Missile
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:42:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:As a preemptive post, to avoid my urge to rant if things go bad, I kindly ask to when you reach Black ops and Recons, keep some consistency to what you guys made on the base hulls. Please make the panther and the Huggin missile boats.
Making the redeemer a neut boat would be great flavor as well.
cripes!
Do you see CCP or amarr lovers making a ship of each class in each race into laser boats? NO
We don't need more missile boats. In fact, some of the 'new missile' boats (cyclone, etc) need to go back to being gunships.
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rothmal
Vengance Inc. Space Warriors
21
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Posted - 2014.09.24 20:35:00 -
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Huggin needs more gun and missile hardpoints i want to have a full set of guns or missiles not half |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
61
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Posted - 2014.09.24 23:41:00 -
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Rroff wrote:There is a perfectly legit reason to train up min and not cal and missiles but not gunnery, but it does need a bit more "enablement" in certain ship classes, I definitely don't think that the panther should be just missiles or by extension just guns.
As such there is a perfectly legit reason for the panther to have both 5 launcher/5 turret hard points.
Too much pigeonholing is the worse possible thing you could do with a game like eve online.
That would make the ship to strong being able to pick exactly the weapon system it needed to do the job. this may not look like a big problem at first until you remember most blops are docked up untill they jump meaning that any decent pilot would be able to grab the ideal weapon system for the drop.
and with that logic i would need drone bonuses on my redeemer and turret hard points on my widow since i can train amarr using nothing but drones and caldari using nothing but turrets.
Just because a race has a weapon system doesn't mean all of there classes need to use it they are a secondary system for a reason. |
Troy Mileghere
Black Swan Corp The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2014.09.25 06:22:00 -
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Keep your hands off my Redeemer!! |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
823
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:35:00 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: That would make the ship to strong being able to pick exactly the weapon system it needed to do the job. this may not look like a big problem at first until you remember most blops are docked up untill they jump meaning that any decent pilot would be able to grab the ideal weapon system for the drop.
and with that logic i would need drone bonuses on my redeemer and turret hard points on my widow since i can train amarr using nothing but drones and caldari using nothing but turrets.
Just because a race has a weapon system doesn't mean all of there classes need to use it they are a secondary system for a reason.
Don't really agree with the first bit - you already can refit current black ops a fair bit to customise them to a coming engagement if you wanted so it wouldn't really shift the balance of power that much but you have a point with the rest.
Until lately as I've seen it people tended to train lasers with amarr for the most part anyway and hybrids exclusively with caldari was rarely done amongst the parts of eve I have experience with, training both projectiles and missiles for min was a bit more of a thing and more recent changes made it even more valid to train one or the other and not necessarily both.
Any radical changes would alienate people who have already trained into them and IMO that a very bad thing to do with a game like Eve but either some additional flexibility or the addition of 1-2 extra black ops wouldn't go amiss IMO - maybe a couple of faction variants for people who don't just play the game boring flavor of the month style. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.09.26 11:05:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Widow == Missiles
Why would you want 2 out of 4 in the same class ship to have missiles? That's just bad design.
Train gunnery or buy a Widow.
I have 180 M sp, so do not bring your arguments taht coudl come up just from a noob that do not have all weapon systems trained.
I want a pnather reflectign the typhoon because it would be FAR more pwoerful and would not be eclipsed by the redeemer. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.09.26 11:07:00 -
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rothmal wrote:Huggin needs more gun and missile hardpoints i want to have a full set of guns or missiles not half
I still think Huggin shoudl be full missiles (like bellicose) and the rapier full guns. But a huggin having 5 of each and a strogner bonus on the lieks of the Scythe FI (but not as big) would be acceptable.
As long as the huggin stop being completely redundant. I also think it can lose 1 high slot then and get 1 extra mid or low. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.09.26 11:09:00 -
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Heat-seeking Moisture Missile wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:As a preemptive post, to avoid my urge to rant if things go bad, I kindly ask to when you reach Black ops and Recons, keep some consistency to what you guys made on the base hulls. Please make the panther and the Huggin missile boats.
Making the redeemer a neut boat would be great flavor as well. cripes! Do you see CCP or amarr lovers making a ship of each class in each race into laser boats? NO We don't need more missile boats. In fact, some of the 'new missile' boats (cyclone, etc) need to go back to being gunships.
aaa NOPE. Just beign reasonable, panther is atyphoon not a tempest. And cruise missiles are FAR FAR more powerful than AC right now.
If you need to bring closer range DPS the redeemer is far superior as is the SIN.
You shoudl nto be flying a balck ops unless you have ALL WEAPONS SYSTEMS trained to T2. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
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